Televangelist Marcus Lamb Who Called Vaccine Mandate 'Sin' Against God Dies Of COVID

[Wildswanderer]

Nope.
What I said exactly was that anecdotes aren't evidence (and they aren't data).
I would say that whether we were talking about COVID or about auto mechanics or about anything else. Because they aren't.

Your last sentence there sounds like one of my conspiracy-theory-minded Facebook friends who gets his "information" from YouTube videos and calls it data.

Of course real experiences are evidence.. the only evidence that can be trusted.

 

[InChrist]

I've explained it several times now. What don't you get?

If a person is peeing near you, would you prefer they pee their pants, or have their pants off and pee all over the place? In which scenario are you exposed to something (someone else's pee) that you don't want to be exposed to? If the person is wearing pants, they're less likely to get urine on you, right? Similarly, if a person is wearing a mask, they're less likely to get anything that comes out of their mouth or nose on you, right?



LOL Why?

Peeing on someone is about as disgusting as coughing on someone during a pandemic.

You need to read the analogy again, I think.

The problem is that when a person speaks, breathes, coughs, sneezes, whatever, particles come out of their nose and mouth. Someone doesn't even have to be deliberately coughing on you for the particles to enter your respiratory system - they could just be talking to you normally. Masks just help to block as many of those particles as possible from floating around in the are and entering your respiratory system.


The thing is that when we wear a mask, we are wearing it to protect others from ourselves and vice versa. So when a person doesn't wear a mask, it's as if they don't care about others, which is disconcerting to me during a global pandemic that has killed 5 million people. They're saying that their personal preferences trump other peoples' health, and that bothers me.

I didn’t ask you to explain your analogy further. I do “get it”, but I said I think the analogy is invalid and disgusting. Does getting it mean I must agree with your view? I don’t see things the way you do and I think you are wrong, but you are free to have your own perspective. As well, I am free to my view.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course real experiences are evidence.. the only evidence that can be trusted.

No, they're not, especially in a case where we are weighing out scientific evidence.
The only evidence that can be trusted is demonstrable, repeatable and testable evidence. Anecdotes don't come anywhere close to that. They're just peoples' interpretation of their experience.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I didn’t ask you to explain your analogy further. I do “get it”, but I said I think the analogy is invalid and disgusting. Does getting it mean I must agree with your view? I don’t see things the way you do and I think you are wrong, but you are free to have your own perspective. As well, I am free to my view.

I think you're trying to avoid the point at all costs.

So you "get it" but you don't agree because you think it's disgusting? Umm okay then.

What I think is disgusting is people failing to protect their fellow human beings from being infected with a virus that has killed 5 million people in two years.

 

[ecco]

No one is intentionally causing harm by making their own health decisions.

WRONG!

By now everyone over the age of ten knows that unvaccinated people are far more likely to spread the disease than people who are unvaccinated. Therefore they are intentionally causing harm.

One thousand Americans are dying of COVID daily. Almost all are unvaccinated. Before their symptoms got them admitted to a hospital, they were spreading the disease.

The time for ignorance about COVID is long over.

 

[ecco]

There's no way that could happen. I highlighted the change and quoted "corrected".

You changed what was in my quote box.

Underneath the quoted box you wrote "corrected".

From your post, could anyone see what I had written? No, they could not. They had no way of knowing what you were correcting. Was it just the spelling?

Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. If you cannot accept what you did was wrong and apologize for it, well, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You changed what was in my quote box.

Underneath the quoted box you wrote "corrected".

From your post, could anyone see what I had written? No, they could not. They had no way of knowing what you were correcting. Was it just the spelling?

Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. If you cannot accept what you did was wrong and apologize for it, well, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

They could have just looked your orginal post where it was obvious.

Matter is closed then.

 

[ecco]

The world is NOT:
Black or White
Gay or Straight
Male or Female
Masks stop or Masks don't stop
Vaccines prevent the virus or Vaccines don't.

That's exactly the question at hand. You seem to want to ignore that fact.

You just proved, once again, that you see the world in a binary fashion. As I already said, the world is far more complex and subtle than that. People who think in black or white terms like you are usually religious fundamentalists. I've asked if that refers to you, but you have refused to answer.

That you would even raise the question in reference to the COVID vaccine shows just how deeply you are indoctrinated.

You have been told many, many times what the vaccine does. I'll waste my breath, once again, on the highlights.

• The vaccine is about 85 per cent effective in preventing people from getting infected with the original strain.
• The vaccine is less effective with the newer strains like Delta and Omicron, but still is far much better than not getting vaccinated.
• The vaccine reduces the severity of the infection for people who do get infected.

Is that really so hard for you to comprehend?

Ten-year-olds can understand this. Really, I've explained it to a ten-year-old and his comment was, "Then why wouldn't everyone get vaccinated?" I'll not go into my response.

 

[ecco]

They could have just looked your orginal post where it was obvious.

They shouldn't have to.

What appears in a quote box is supposed to be what was originally posted.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[Wildswanderer]

WRONG!

By now everyone over the age of ten knows that unvaccinated people are far more likely to spread the disease than people who are unvaccinated. Therefore they are intentionally causing harm.

One thousand Americans are dying of COVID daily. Almost all are unvaccinated. Before their symptoms got them admitted to a hospital, they were spreading the disease.

The time for ignorance about COVID is long over.

Hogwash. Your drama is hilarious BTW.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The vaccine is less effective with the newer strains like Delta and Omicron, but still is far much better than not getting vaccinated.

Actually that's totally speculation.

 

[metis]

• The vaccine is about 85 per cent effective in preventing people from getting infected with the original strain.

• The vaccine is less effective with the newer strains like Delta and Omicron, but still is far much better than not getting vaccinated.

• The vaccine reduces the severity of the infection for people who do get infected.

Hogwash. Your drama is hilarious BTW.

W, you are really making a fool out of yourself on this, and an uncaring one at that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Hogwash. Your drama is hilarious BTW.

Everything that poster said is true.
So you think that 1,000 Americans dying daily is hogwash?
How about 5 million worldwide deaths in less than 2 years from this virus. Hogwash too?

Yeah, it's hilarious.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Actually that's totally speculation.

It's not. You really should read more updated information.

Do COVID-19 vaccines protect against the variants? - Mayo Clinic
Effectiveness of mRNA-1273 against delta, mu, and other emerging variants of SARS-CoV-2: test negative case-control study
Latest on Omicron Variant and COVID-19 Vaccine Protection

 

[Wildswanderer]

Everything that poster said is true.
So you think that 1,000 Americans dying daily is hogwash?
How about 5 million worldwide deaths in less than 2 years from this virus. Hogwash too?

Yeah, it's hilarious.

Of course people are dying.. and the vaccine isn't stopping it. Again, do as you like.. it's not your choice what anyone else chooses.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course people are dying.. and the vaccine isn't stopping it. Again, do as you like.. it's not your choice what anyone else chooses.

Why do you insist on stating falsehoods over and over?

The vaccinated are TEN TIMES less likely to be hospitalized and/or die from contracting COVID than the unvaccinated. This is why in heavily vaccinated areas, we aren't seeing hospitals being as overwhelmed as they were at the start of the pandemic. You keep ignoring that for some reason.

So yes, the vaccine is stopping the vaccinated from dying.

 

[ecco]

Of course people are dying.. and the vaccine isn't stopping it.

You still want the world to be binary like your fundamentalist views:
Black/White
Good/Evil
God/Satan

As I said...

• The vaccine is about 85 percent effective in preventing people from getting infected with the original strain.
• The vaccine is less effective with the newer strains like Delta and Omicron, but still is far much better than not getting vaccinated.
• The vaccine reduces the severity of the infection for people who do get infected.

Is that really so hard for you to comprehend?

For you, it obviously is too hard to comprehend.

You just can't accept that the world is far more complex than your fundamentalist training would have you believe.




ETA: This is the same fundamentalism that got Marcus Lamb, the subject of this thread, infected and killed. I'm willing to bet that most of his followers still will not get vaccinated.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You still want the world to be binary like your fundamentalist views:
Black/White
Good/Evil
God/Satan

As I said...

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For you, it obviously is too hard to comprehend.

You just can't accept that the world is far more complex than your fundamentalist training would have you believe.




ETA: This is the same fundamentalism that got Marcus Lamb, the subject of this thread, infected and killed. I'm willing to bet that most of his followers still will not get vaccinated.

I assure you there's thosands, probably millions of people who are not fundamentalists ( whatever you think that means) that agree with me.

 

[InChrist]

I think you're trying to avoid the point at all costs.

So you "get it" but you don't agree because you think it's disgusting? Umm okay then.

What I think is disgusting is people failing to protect their fellow human beings from being infected with a virus that has killed 5 million people in two years.

It appears that so far the Omicron variant is affecting mostly the vaccinated.
Most Omicron cases in US have been mild but most were vaccinated, CDC reports - CNN


Omicron variant found in more vaccinated people in U.S. as resistance concerns persist

 

[sun rise]

They shouldn't have to.

What appears in a quote box is supposed to be what was originally posted.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I got in trouble for changing what was in a quote box (outside of humor threads) so clearly if such infractions are reported, mods will take action.