Tennessee bans lots of Drag Shows and gender-affirming care for kids

[Shadow Wolf]

These are LITTLE kids. The issue is not should they learn about these lifestyles. It's when, and how. And that is not for the drag queens or the church or some grandstanding governor to decide. I'm fine with the drag queens offering this experience. I think it's quite nice of them, in fact. But it should be understood that any parent that would not want their child to experience this would be respectfully free to forgo it. And as far as I know, that is the case.

It's all these unrelated entities want to make a big thing out of it that I find absurd and offensive.

Parents who want to teach and pass down bigotry shouldn't be respected or catered to.

 

[PureX]

How is sex, when done consensually and responsibly, "evil"? Because ancient goat herders arbitrarily decided it was?

They did not decide this arbitrarily, but that's neither here nor there. We are not them, and they were not us. So there is no reason to presume that their ideals would or should apply to our reality.

 

[PureX]

Parents who want to teach and pass down bigotry shouldn't be respected or catered to.

That is not happening here as far as anyone knows. Not wanting one's child to be presented with such gender complexity at such a young age is NOT CHILD ABUSE. And accusing parents of this because you don't agree with their decisions regarding their own children is grossly uncalled for.

 

[SkepticThinker]

These are LITTLE kids. The issue is not should they learn about these lifestyles. It's when, and how. And that is not for the drag queens or the church or some grandstanding governor to decide. I'm fine with the drag queens offering this experience. I think it's quite nice of them, in fact. But it should be understood that any parent that would not want their child to experience this would be respectfully free to forgo it. And as far as I know, that is the case.

It's all these unrelated entities want to make a big thing out of it that I find absurd and offensive.

So what if they're little kids? Do you really think that when drag queens come and read a story to them that they're suddenly awakened to all kinds of sexual perversions or something, or do you think they're just listening to a fun person reading them a story? If that's the case, then we should get rid of Halloween because that's definitely too much for them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They spent a lot of time dressed as women. Especially the guy who plays the Queen. Love him!

Did you see the new ones they released? It was sometime during the pandemic I think ... Not too bad.

If they made new ones, I'm in!

 

[PureX]

So what if they're little kids? Do you really think that when drag queens come and read a story to them that they're suddenly awakened to all kinds of sexual perversions or something, or do you think they're just listening to a fun person reading them a story? If that's the case, then we should get rid of Halloween because that's definitely too much for them.

What I think is irrelevant. They are not my children. I don't know what they're ready for and what they aren't. And they aren't yours' either. So it's really none of our concern.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is not happening here as far as anyone knows. Not wanting one's child to be presented with such gender complexity at such a young age is NOT CHILD ABUSE. And accusing parents of this because you don't agree with their decisions regarding their own children is grossly uncalled for.

It is teaching hate. The only reason to shield a child from others is either due to hatred or the person not being good for kids.
Passing down hatred is wrong, just as is shielding your kids from the world and teaching them hate.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That is not happening here as far as anyone knows. Not wanting one's child to be presented with such gender complexity at such a young age is NOT CHILD ABUSE. And accusing parents of this because you don't agree with their decisions regarding their own children is grossly uncalled for.

What "gender complexity?"
My nephew used to walk around in his mom's high heels when he was a three-year-old. Was he engaging in "gender complexity" or just engaging in some pretend play? I used to dress up in my dad's work clothes and pretend I was going to be a plumber. Was I engaging "gender complexity?

 

[SkepticThinker]

What I think is irrelevant. They are not my children. I don't know what they're ready for and what they aren't. And they aren't yours' either. So it's really none of our concern.

Have you ever interacted with a child?

 

[Kenny]

Because just because any person can get pregnant and give birth doesn't mean they are responsible to care for that child. The state will advocate for the child's rights, just as "pro-lifers" advocate for fetuses. You can't hqve it both ways. But it is a common understanding that "pro-lifers" don't care much about a child once it is born.

But that is what I am saying - when necessary - the government should step in

That’s why we should have laws against mutilating children!!!!!

 

[Kenny]

It'd be nice if the people claiming child abuse actually listened to child psychologists which are overwhelmingly in favor of gender-affirming care. But they only listen to medical consensus when it suits their purity politics.

Mutilating children’s bodies is NOT gender affirming care - the psychologists need to get them to realize females are females and males are males affirming their true identity! These children have already been hurt - we don’t need to add to it.

In my faith - Jesus does heal and we have seen that in our church - within my signature of course

 

[Jose Fly]

So what if they're little kids? Do you really think that when drag queens come and read a story to them that they're suddenly awakened to all kinds of sexual perversions or something, or do you think they're just listening to a fun person reading them a story? If that's the case, then we should get rid of Halloween because that's definitely too much for them.

Yes, that's pretty much it. This basically boils down to the conservatives' belief that being trans, queer, or gay is something one chooses to do, and therefore can potentially be persuaded to become. They also believe that being trans, queer, or gay is fundamentally wrong. So in their world, a kid seeing a drag performer in a positive light carries the risk of influencing the kid to become trans, which to them would be a tragedy.

As I keep having to point out to my 20-something year old kids....conservatives really do live in an alternate reality.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, that's pretty much it. This basically boils down to the conservatives' belief that being trans, queer, or gay is something one chooses to do, and therefore can potentially be persuaded to become. They also believe that being trans, queer, or gay is fundamentally wrong. So in their world, a kid seeing a drag performer in a positive light carries the risk of influencing the kid to become trans, which to them would be a tragedy.

As I keep having to point out to my 20-something year old kids....conservatives really do live in an alternate reality.

I'll say! I just .... wow. Do they ever.

 

[Jose Fly]

I'll say! I just .... wow. Do they ever.

And it's affecting our government and society in so many ways now. Education, science, the environment, government policies, the economy, civil rights, health care....

The sad part is, I'm not really sure what can be done. Even with the recent proof that Fox News has been deliberately lying to their viewers, a lot of conservatives either aren't aware (it's not really being covered in conservative media) or just make excuses to wave it away.

I keep telling some of my friends, "This is exactly what it's like to argue with creationists".

 

[SomeRandom]

Mutilating children’s bodies is NOT gender affirming care - the psychologists need to get them to realize females are females and males are males affirming their true identity! These children have already been hurt - we don’t need to add to it.

In my faith - Jesus does heal and we have seen that in our church - within my signature of course

You mean like circumcision?
No health professional operates on a child without medical necessity. That includes sex change surgery, which typically doesn’t occur until adulthood. For obvious reasons. So I honestly don’t know what you’re referring to.
Unless that regularly occurs in the US?
I certainly can’t find anything to support such a claim though. Perhaps you can help me out

 

[SkepticThinker]

But that is what I am saying - when necessary - the government should step in

That’s why we should have laws against mutilating children!!!!!

So you think there should be laws against circumcision, then?

 

[Orbit]

But that is what I am saying - when necessary - the government should step in

That’s why we should have laws against mutilating children!!!!!

What about children who are born intersexed, where doctors see both anatomies? What do they do?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Mutilating children’s bodies is NOT gender affirming care - the psychologists need to get them to realize females are females and males are males affirming their true identity! These children have already been hurt - we don’t need to add to it.

In my faith - Jesus does heal and we have seen that in our church - within my signature of course

That's not what psychologists do and that wouldn't be helpful. Psychologists and doctors (you know, qualified people) have already put together plans for "gender affirming care" that I really think you should take a look at because it really isn't at all what you seem to think.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And it's affecting our government and society in so many ways now. Education, science, the environment, government policies, the economy, civil rights, health care....

I was just talking with someone about this the other day. The USA that I used to love has changed in ways that I no longer even recognize.

The sad part is, I'm not really sure what can be done. Even with the recent proof that Fox News has been deliberately lying to their viewers, a lot of conservatives either aren't aware (it's not really being covered in conservative media) or just make excuses to wave it away.

I keep telling some of my friends, "This is exactly what it's like to argue with creationists".

I guess Fox News doesn't report on their own corruption, eh?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Mutilating children’s bodies is NOT gender affirming care - the psychologists need to get them to realize females are females and males are males affirming their true identity! These children have already been hurt - we don’t need to add to it.

In my faith - Jesus does heal and we have seen that in our church - within my signature of course

"Psychologists need to do what I, profoundly uneducated in the field, tell them is true."

1. Surgeries of any kind shouldn't be preformed on minors unless deemed medically necessary. And that includes what a lot of plebians think is "mutilation." (Such as the breast reduction which I had at age 14 because it was deemed medically necessary.)

2. Sex =/= Gender, treating the two as the same thing is ascientific and hurtful.

3. Faith healing has no place here. "Conversion camps" for gay people was a bunch of morons abusing gay kids and so is the same for trans kids.