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Tennessee sees new step in wave of anti-Trans bills

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Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
Guitar's Cry said:
And how do you decide if the person with what you believe should be the owner of the correct pronoun is in the right place?
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Oh! - I wasn't trying to do the whole "correct pronoun" thing - I was making a point about how implementing these types of policies would allow any man - not just a transgender individual - to enter and use the women's restroom.

If you read my comment in it's entirety - you'd see that -

"You mean, "Why is [he] there just to use the facilities?"

Let's not forget - that these policies that people are proposing don't require anyone to "present" as the opposite biological sex.

Literally any man or woman - who present as such - could use the restroom of the opposite biology - simply because they claim to be "atypical"."

People are free to refer to themselves as whatever they want - my very next comment made that clear -

"Also - why are you assuming this person's gender and/or pronouns?

This person may "present" as a woman - and gone through the whole transition - yet still want to be referred to as "he" - or even "zir" - or whatever the **** "he" wants - right?"

I was mocking Shadow Wolf for assuming this person's preferred pronoun would be "she" just because the person presents as a woman and had hormone replacement therapy to appear more feminine.

You can't make that assumption at the end of 2021 - no sir. Or ma'am - or whatever :p
Guitar's Cry said:
I realize that this has been brought up so many times it's becoming ridiculous, but the only possible solution to your problem of matching genetalia and genetics to the bathroom being used is that we check people's genetalia and genetics before they can enter.

Maybe we should require medical cards stating these things and hire bathroom bouncers.

Or, to further prevent the possibility of bathroom card fraud, implant chips to be scanned at birth.
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Yes - this has been brought up many times - and it was dumb each and every one of those times.

Let me ask you a question - for the sake of my example let's assume that you are a biological female - now what if you were using a public restroom and another biological female came in and just beat the **** out of you and then left.

Obviously assault and battery are against the law - but after this incident you are left with -

- no DNA to prove who your attacker was,

- no ID was left at the scene to prove who your attacker was,

- no witnesses of the assault and battery or of the suspect as they fled (bouncer or otherwise),

- and the suspect has no implant or any other way to find them

Now - my first question is - even though you have none of these things - was a crime committed?

Second question - would you contact law enforcement after being assaulted and battered?

Third question - do you believe law enforcement should even try to find your attacker?

Last question - are assault and battery enforceable crimes even if there is no evidence of the crimes occurring?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Fallen Prophet said:
All stereotypes have foundations in fact.
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With that, I think anyone can see what the real problem is as stereotyping involves prejudice, thus to "pre-judge" all that are grouped together within the stereotype, which by definition is an act of ignorance and/or dishonesty.

However, granted it's your choice.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Wildswanderer said:
Because the world is full of perverts. Pay attention.
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According to you.
How many people do you think are attacked by people dressed as the opposite gender to sneak into a bathroom, versus how many transgendered people are attacked for using the bathroom that matches their gender? I mean, listening to you, you'd think people are getting raped all over the place by people dressed as the opposite gender.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Fallen Prophet said:
Oh! - I wasn't trying to do the whole "correct pronoun" thing - I was making a point about how implementing these types of policies would allow any man - not just a transgender individual - to enter and use the women's restroom.

If you read my comment in it's entirety - you'd see that -

"You mean, "Why is [he] there just to use the facilities?"

Let's not forget - that these policies that people are proposing don't require anyone to "present" as the opposite biological sex.

Literally any man or woman - who present as such - could use the restroom of the opposite biology - simply because they claim to be "atypical"."

People are free to refer to themselves as whatever they want - my very next comment made that clear -

"Also - why are you assuming this person's gender and/or pronouns?

This person may "present" as a woman - and gone through the whole transition - yet still want to be referred to as "he" - or even "zir" - or whatever the **** "he" wants - right?"

I was mocking Shadow Wolf for assuming this person's preferred pronoun would be "she" just because the person presents as a woman and had hormone replacement therapy to appear more feminine.

You can't make that assumption at the end of 2021 - no sir. Or ma'am - or whatever :p

Yes - this has been brought up many times - and it was dumb each and every one of those times.

Let me ask you a question - for the sake of my example let's assume that you are a biological female - now what if you were using a public restroom and another biological female came in and just beat the **** out of you and then left.

Obviously assault and battery are against the law - but after this incident you are left with -

- no DNA to prove who your attacker was,

- no ID was left at the scene to prove who your attacker was,

- no witnesses of the assault and battery or of the suspect as they fled (bouncer or otherwise),

- and the suspect has no implant or any other way to find them

Now - my first question is - even though you have none of these things - was a crime committed?

Second question - would you contact law enforcement after being assaulted and battered?

Third question - do you believe law enforcement should even try to find your attacker?

Last question - are assault and battery enforceable crimes even if there is no evidence of the crimes occurring?
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What's your point with this? Regardless of who assaults you and where you are, all of these things would still be an issue.
Or do you think people generally get assaulted when there are tons of witnesses watching?
 
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Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
metis said:
With that, I think anyone can see what the real problem is as stereotyping involves prejudice, thus to "pre-judge" all that are grouped together within the stereotype, which by definition is an act of ignorance and/or dishonesty.

However, granted it's your choice.
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This is rich coming from the person that claimed that "Indiana is OK to drive through." (Post #408)

It was your prejudiced mentality that caused me to comment that you were acting like "coast liberals" - of whom I know very well considering that I grew up in California.

It was your "ignorance and/or dishonesty" that began this little discussion - and you have the nerve to accuse me of the very thing you are guilty of?

At least I offered up an example for why I believe the way I do.
 
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Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
SkepticThinker said:
Well, I'm asking YOU.
I explained what I'm talking about when discussing gender earlier in the thread.
Your turn.
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I consider gender to be a reference to traits considered either masculine or feminine and the roles in society that correspond to them

Gender traits and roles are deeply connected to biological sex, and everyone is a varied mix of both.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Fallen Prophet said:
I consider gender to be a reference to traits considered either masculine or feminine and the roles in society that correspond to them

Gender traits and roles are deeply connected to biological sex, and everyone is a varied mix of both.
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Great, thanks.

Gender traits have been traditionally connected to biological sex for rather arbitrary and prejudicial reasons. This has been changing for quite a long time now, thankfully.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Fallen Prophet said:
Gender traits and roles are deeply connected to biological sex, and everyone is a varied mix of both.
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Then why do I not gravitate towards guy things? If it's deeply connected to biological sex, then why last Thanksgiving I spent with my best friend and her family was I with the women swapping recipes and talking about our relationships instead of with the guys talking about hunting and sports? If it's deeply connected why did I often get asked if I'm gay before I started coming out to people as trans?
 
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Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
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Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
SkepticThinker said:
What's your point with this? Regardless of who assaults you and where you are, all of these things would still be an issue.
Or do you think people generally get assaulted when there are tons of witnesses watching?
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Aren't you the one claiming that public restrooms cannot be segregated by our biology because there is no way to enforce it?
 
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