Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The first four "Commandments" are where the problem lies.
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"Texas State Rep. Files Bill to Let Teachers Post Ten Commandments in Classrooms"
- Thread starter Skwim
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Who cares? We all believe that safe speed zones are necessary... so why post them?
We all believe that murder is wrong... so why post them?
THIS COUNTRY IS GOING DOWNHILL... FROM THE MOMENT THEY BUILT IT!
The West Corridor
South tablet
THE FIRST CREATURE OF GOD WAS THE LIGHT OF SENSE;
THE LAST WAS THE LIGHT OF REASON
Bacon, Essays, "Of Truth"
THE LIGHT SHINETH IN DARKNESS, AND THE DARKNESS
COMPREHENDETH NOT
Holy Bible, John, 1:5
AAAAAARRRRRG! A BIBLE VERSE ETCHED INTO THE BUILDING!!
I need a safe room where I can deal with these horrible, emotionally draining, soul altering verses.
The West Corridor
South tablet
THE FIRST CREATURE OF GOD WAS THE LIGHT OF SENSE;
THE LAST WAS THE LIGHT OF REASON
Bacon, Essays, "Of Truth"
THE LIGHT SHINETH IN DARKNESS, AND THE DARKNESS
COMPREHENDETH NOT
Holy Bible, John, 1:5
AAAAAARRRRRG! A BIBLE VERSE ETCHED INTO THE BUILDING!!
I need a safe room where I can deal with these horrible, emotionally draining, soul altering verses.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Unlike murder, which is obviously wrong to almost all of us, a safe speed is not so obvious. That is why there is a need on set speeds. Also people are stupid. Let's say that one individual has both a properly maintained car and the ability to drive down a street with a 35 MPH posted speed limit at 70MPH, the problem is that too many average Joes with substandard cars and substandard abilities will think that they can do that too. There is a need to post speed limits for the average person. The average person is not very apt to murder so no need for such signs for him.
You should've read the portion of my post where I answered that question.
"Speed limit signs are necessary because the limit varies from stretch to stretch of road."
We don't post signs prohibiting murder along the road because this doesn't vary.
Some might say the country is getting better.
But if eliminating slavery, & enabling gay marriage is
downhill....something is amiss with such a moral judgment.
Do you need a emotional counselor?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, do you?Do you need a emotional counselor?
Tell me why do you advocate for immoral acts?
You mean there are people who wouldn't know that 75/mph is not good in a residential area?
ABSOLUTELY! There are verses of the Bible etched into governmental buildings... including the TEN COMMANDMENTS
HEEEELP MEEEEEE !
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
It certainly would not matter to them, as they will not know what the commandants are in even general terms.
Most children here do not go to church, and they would not be taught such things at many schools. So they will only have the vaguest notion about the ten commandments anyway.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There are other inspirational messages from other sources too. So what? You want to do something immoral. Why the personal attack?
When you cherry pick all it takes is one other source to sink your argument. Are you sure that you want to do that?
Also the image is of Moses with the stone tablets, Do you know what the stone tablets say? By the way what Moses was carrying were what are called the "Ten Commandments" in the Bible. Just a hint in case you were confused.
That is widely known, although some will flout it.
Have you ever driven any long distances?
I have.
Speed limits vary across state lines, around curves, in construction zones, & thru towns.
Without the signs, one wouldn't know what's legal.
If one wants the 10 Commandments posted because of the one about murder, there are some problems with this argument....
- It wouldn't tell anyone anything they didn't already know about murder.
- It wouldn't inhibit anyone from murder.
- The 10 Commandments contains silly prescriptions for non-Christians.
- The 10 Commandments falls far short in listing important moral things,
eg, support yourself, pay your rent, don't abuse others, don't oppress others.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
So then you see the 10 commandments as a violation of the Establishment clause, because they mention God in one or two commandments. I can see that.
So, if mentions of God were removed, posting the remaining commands would be fine ? Right ?
We're not talking about secular, legal or philosophical rules. What we're objecting to are rules as part of a religious doctrine, presented as a classroom catechism.
Moreover, "giving" rules by writing them on a wall or poster is not the same as installing them as permanent behavioral traits, with full appreciation of their utility and ramifications.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not really since it is quite common knowledge what the source of them is.
For one example, the Commandment to observe the Sabbath is really quite a give-away as to where it comes from, although most Christians don't keep the Sabbath anyway.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
BTW, we have to remember that especially in the past and sometimes in the present the constitutional dictates are not always followed. Unless someone legally complains, they may stand for decades or even centuries. Let me give you a quick example.
At the library near the place we owned in the U.P., there was a large picture of Jesus hanging on the wall even up to about 10 years ago, but no other religious figure was shown as such. Eventually that picture was taken down, although I don't know what prompted that.
Same thing with Christian prayers before football games, for another example. If no one complains, even though they may be in violation, it may continue on indefinitely.
At the library near the place we owned in the U.P., there was a large picture of Jesus hanging on the wall even up to about 10 years ago, but no other religious figure was shown as such. Eventually that picture was taken down, although I don't know what prompted that.
Same thing with Christian prayers before football games, for another example. If no one complains, even though they may be in violation, it may continue on indefinitely.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
So, who here is rootin' for the bill?A Texas Republican has already filed a bill that would allow public school teachers to post the Ten Commandments in their classrooms.
State Rep. Dan Flynn says in HB 307 that “The board of trustees of an independent school district may not prohibit the posting of a copy of the Ten Commandments in a prominent location in a district classroom.”
According to the bill, if two thirds of the State House votes in favor of it, it would go into effect immediately; if not, then it would go into effect for the 2019-2020 school year.“I think it’s a good idea,” said Flynn. “If a teacher wants to put it in her classroom, she should be able to do it just as if she wanted to put up Halloween, Thanksgiving or any other decorations.
BEST CHRISTIAN IN TEXAS
“I think it’s a good list of disciplines that young people would find very meaningful to them.”
source
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Which of the ten don't you like, Skwim?
Which of the ten do you like?
They ain't all bad, Skwim.
Curious George
Veteran Member
I think it is the use as a symbol of religion in general and Christianity specifically.
Now I know that astute readers might point out that the Ten Commandments are also sacred to Judaism and Islam. However, in these cases it seems to ne Christians holding out the Ten Commandments as a symbol of their faith.
The rationale is that "oh no, it is a symbol of law." But let us be honest, is that truly why people are tryimg to post the Ten Commandments?
I like this one; "#6 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t build multimillion-dollar churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my Noodly Goodness when the money could be better spent (Take your pick): 1. Ending poverty 2. Curing diseases 3. Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable."