The 2-State Solution

[Jayhawker Soule]

Is it reasonable? Is it achievable? What might the contours of such a solution look like?

Shalom

 

[Scott1]

I'm interested in hearing your opinion Jay... I can't say that I know enough about it to comment, but being born a Jew and now as a Christian I pray that someday there is peace in the region.

Thanks,
S

 

[jamaesi]

You might want to look into the One Voice Movement then, Jay.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You might want to look into the One Voice Movement then, Jay.

Thank you. I am familiar with it, and certainly this is well worth viewing.

[edited to add ...]

Seeds of Peace is also worth supporting ...​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm interested in hearing your opinion Jay.

I'm not sure that I have much to offer, Scott.

• I support the principle of a 2-state solution with the old city as a joint religious-cultural center.
• I would consider the 1967 borders.
• I would dismantle the settlements.
• I would oppose an unconditional "right of return".
• I would substitute reparations where appropriate and the insistence that the surrounding polities (particularly Jordan) play an aggressive and progressive role in absorbtion.
• I would expect/insist that both sides deal with terrorism and racism by any means necessary.

Sorry - there's not much new here ...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just to add:

• I question whether it's achievable and seriously question whether it's sustainable.

 

[doppelganger]

Just to add:

• I question whether it's achievable and seriously question whether it's sustainable.

What do you perceive are the main hurdles/what has to change to give it the best chance?

 

[jonny]

I support the 2-state solution because I don't know of any better solution. I just wonder if it's a bandaid on the problem though. How long will it take for the two states to be back at war with each other?

I think there needs to be both political and social changes for it to be successful.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What do you perceive are the main hurdles/what has to change to give it the best chance?

Bigotry, nationalism, and opportunism are self-perpetuating. If the focus is not on achieving peace and prosperity predicated upon respect, it will fail.

 

[ssrt]

Bigotry, nationalism, and opportunism are self-perpetuating. If the focus is not on achieving peace and prosperity predicated upon respect, it will fail.

Exactly. Which is why, under the present conditions, the two-state solution will be as unsuccessful as any other.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Exactly. Which is why, under the present conditions, the two-state solution will be as unsuccessful as any other.

But this says absolutely nothing other than: if nothing changes nothing changes! At issue is: what can and should change, and how? And if our answer is limited to "the other guy", then it seems to me the we commit to being part of the problem. No?

 

[jewscout]

Is it reasonable? Is it achievable? What might the contours of such a solution look like?

Shalom

i think it is but, personally, i wouldn't consider coming to the negotiating table without first some sort of joint israeli-Palestinian operation to stop the violence and dismantle and disarm terrorist organizations.

i live within walking distance of the Green Line and wouldn't consider supporting a peace plan without knowing that my family would be safe from maniacs w/ Kasam rockets.

i also have to wonder, and ask, even if the leadership of israel and the PA were to solidify a peace and creation of a Palestinian state, would that change the overall mentality of each group to the other, most notably the anti-semitic drivel that groups like Hamas feed to the public, especially children, on a daily basis?

i mean you could create 2 states but would that necessarily equal out to peace?

 

[ssrt]

i think it is but, personally, i wouldn't consider coming to the negotiating table without first some sort of joint israeli-Palestinian operation to stop the violence and dismantle and disarm terrorist organizations.

i live within walking distance of the Green Line and wouldn't consider supporting a peace plan without knowing that my family would be safe from maniacs w/ Kasam rockets.

i also have to wonder, and ask, even if the leadership of israel and the PA were to solidify a peace and creation of a Palestinian state, would that change the overall mentality of each group to the other, most notably the anti-semitic drivel that groups like Hamas feed to the public, especially children, on a daily basis?

i mean you could create 2 states but would that necessarily equal out to peace?

No, that's exactly what I mean.

The two-state solution in its current form is nothing more than a band aid fix. Peace needs to be based on mutual respect, and I'm sad to say that neither side respects the other. As you've pointed out, this generation of Palestinians is already poisoned with propaganda, which is why I doubt any real long-term peace settlement will be reached with this current generation.

By the way, it's very refreshing to see a religious Zionist that is willing to give away land. It's very encouraging, I must say. If only it was more common.

 

[svetlu]

Hi, I'm new to forum. Looking forward to meet you all.

 

[NoahideHiker]

i think it is but, personally, i wouldn't consider coming to the negotiating table without first some sort of joint israeli-Palestinian operation to stop the violence and dismantle and disarm terrorist organizations.

i live within walking distance of the Green Line and wouldn't consider supporting a peace plan without knowing that my family would be safe from maniacs w/ Kasam rockets.

i also have to wonder, and ask, even if the leadership of israel and the PA were to solidify a peace and creation of a Palestinian state, would that change the overall mentality of each group to the other, most notably the anti-semitic drivel that groups like Hamas feed to the public, especially children, on a daily basis?

i mean you could create 2 states but would that necessarily equal out to peace?

It's kind of hard to come to a negotiating table when the aims of one side is peace and the aims of the other is the complete destruction of the other. Every single time Israel gives an inch the other side says, "This is just the beginning.".

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's kind of hard to come to a negotiating table when the aims of one side is peace and the aims of the other is the complete destruction of the other. Every single time Israel gives an inch the other side says, "This is just the beginning.".

No, every single time Israel gives an inch the extremists on the other side say, "This is just the beginning." It's a critically important distinction.

 

[ssrt]

No, every single time Israel gives an inch the extremists on the other side say, "This is just the beginning." It's a critically important distinction.

The moderate voices are too weak. You have either Hamas (religious extremists) or Fatah (secular extremists). Not to mention it was Hamas that was elected in the democratic elections, so I think it is safe to say they are the representatives of the people.