The 2nd Amendment

[halbhh]

why is there no uproar over the right to bear chemical, biological, or nuclear arms individually?

As incredible and odd as it seems at first hearing it, often the people claiming their rights to bear arms are infringed, while having a lot of guns and carrying them around a lot to different places, with evidently very little infringement at all(!)....

Actually believe their right to bear arms is infringed or under threat.

Say, when 85%+ of America is only saying something like close background check loopholes (various super majorities that want to make the "well regulated" in the 2nd Amendment correspond to actual laws that are actually pretty reasonable).

They feel...threatened.

And that feeling, which has zero to do with the right to bear arms but comes from other things like being bullied in 3rd grade or such, is behind their susceptibility to hearing and believing lies about their right to bear arms being taken away on talk shows.

So, they really do feel their right to own a gun is under threat, as incredible and impossible sounding as that is, while they tote around all sorts of guns....

 

[Twilight Hue]

can you buy the ammunition for the guns though?

As much as the thought of how much fun that would be, no. The barrel is filled and no longer operative.

You can still crush stuff though! *grin*

 

[ecco]

yes, but I'm trying to understand the passionate 2nd amenders for antiquated systems vs their supposed right to bear what ever

Your question exposes the hypocrisy of some of our laws.

 

[Cooky]

Your question exposes the hypocrisy of some of our laws.

I think it represents reason... Nothing is truly untrammelled...

 

[Revoltingest]

As incredible and odd as it seems at first hearing it, often the people claiming their rights to bear arms are infringed, while having a lot of guns and carrying them around a lot to different places, with evidently very little infringement at all(!)....

Actually believe their right to bear arms is infringed or under threat.

Say, when 85%+ of America is only saying something like close background check loopholes (various super majorities that want to make the "well regulated" in the 2nd Amendment correspond to actual laws that are actually pretty reasonable).

They feel...threatened.

And that feeling, which has zero to do with the right to bear arms but comes from other things like being bullied in 3rd grade or such, is behind their susceptibility to hearing and believing lies about their right to bear arms being taken away on talk shows.

So, they really do feel their right to own a gun is under threat, as incredible and impossible sounding as that is, while they tote around all sorts of guns....

Imagining how we feel about gun rights doesn't really address the issue.

 

[Twilight Hue]

or a ball bearing and a loose sock

Thats only for Mick Jagger fans.

 

[Windwalker]

As much as the thought of how much fun that would be, no. The barrel is filled and no longer operative.

You can still crush stuff though! *grin*

 

[David1967]

That's stunning:

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Hah! Now your talking! That is a phaser that I know how to use.

 

[David1967]

darn


we used to play with a cattle prod as a child.

So, other than the occasional twitch, have you noticed any negative effects from this later in life. (I am joking BTW)

 

[The Anointed]

I wonder what would happen to the gun laws in America, if one politician was shot every day over a period of time?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wonder what would happen to the gun laws in America, if one politician was shot every day over a period of time?

I wonder what would happen if left-wing militias became more of a thing.

Imagine if, when Three Percenters or the like take up a sniper position in a parking garage to be ready to fire on protesters, a left-wing milita would take up a position next to the Three Percenters, ready to take them out if they started actually killing protesters.

If left-wingers with guns started behaving like right-wingers with guns, I bet we'd see the law change pretty quickly.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder what would happen if left-wing militias became more of a thing.

Imagine if, when Three Percenters or the like take up a sniper position in a parking garage to be ready to fire on protesters, a left-wing milita would take up a position next to the Three Percenters, ready to take them out if they started actually killing protesters.
If left-wingers with guns started behaving like right-wingers with guns, I bet we'd see the law change pretty quickly.

As though the left isn't already attacking people.
From the Wall St Journal....
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.2F2fX-s9REgHetGwP58DeQHaHa?pid=Api&rs=1
Excerpted....
A family member said she identified a man police told her they are investigating in the Saturday killing of a right-wing protester in Portland, Ore., as Michael Reinoehl, a 48-year-old former professional snowboarder who calls himself a member of Antifa on social media.

And of course, Chicago is filled with lefties who shoot each other up daily.

 

[halbhh]

Imagining how we feel about gun rights doesn't really address the issue.

heh, we have an overlap of view then. Often the most militant ideologues about gun rights seem to just be imagining things about having all their guns taken away and other outlandish beliefs, and these beliefs they have don't connect to the actual issues being discussed in potential legislation.

 

[Mister Emu]

why is there no uproar over the right to bear chemical, biological, or nuclear arms individually?

Despite cries to the contrary, most 2nd Amendment supporting people aren't insane.

 

[Revoltingest]

heh, we have an overlap of view then. Often the most militant ideologues about gun rights seem to just be imagining things about having all their guns taken away and other outlandish beliefs, and these beliefs they have don't connect to the actual issues being discussed in potential legislation.

Is this just as the anti-gun types imagine taking guns
away from lawful owners will end gun violence?
Or that making places "gun free zones" will cause
those bent on carnage to stay away?

See....it's unproductive to invent positions instead
of addressing actual posts here.

 

[halbhh]

Is this just as the anti-gun types imagine taking guns
away from lawful owners will end gun violence?
Or that making places "gun free zones" will cause
those bent on carnage to stay away?

See....it's unproductive to invent positions instead
of addressing actual posts here.

I've no illusions that people are all good by nature, so that in a 'gun free' zone nothing bad will happen! heh heh. Just the opposite.

Ergo, governments are instituted among men... ah, lemme just quote that bit in full:

"...unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

Now, that is more what I think. Did you think I was an anarchist? heh heh. Rather not!

So, as you say "it's unproductive to invent positions". I could not agree more.

So, my first post you responded to, and began our discussion -- that post was to the OP, right on topic! I like the OP point, and think it's non trivial.

 

[ecco]

Perhaps someone can provide a rational reason to allow people to own guns that can fire 100 rounds per minute.

 

[metis]

Perhaps someone can provide a rational reason to allow people to own guns that can fire 100 rounds per minute.

Pigeon hunting?

 

[BSM1]

Perhaps someone can provide a rational reason to allow people to own guns that can fire 100 rounds per minute.

Or an auto that can exceed 100 MPH....

 

[Revoltingest]

Or an auto that can exceed 100 MPH....

I do find it odd that in an age of concern about safety & AGW,
that some of the most successful products are spendy cars putting
out hundreds of horsepower while driving well over 100 mph.

 

[Tambourine]

Despite cries to the contrary, most 2nd Amendment supporting people aren't insane.

If you want a well regulated army of militias, you need to give them proper gear or they won't be able to hold their own in a proper war.

Also, mandatory military drills and combat training.