The Absolute Oneness of God

[Ben Avraham]

That's like saying only one parent can exist to create a child. Only one female dog exist to create a puppy. A plant can grow without water, soil, and sunlight. If gods exist, it would make sense for it to be more than one god. So many things in life, why would we think the diversity of the earth and universe for that matter, is only a reflection of one person.

Absolutely not! You are comparing HaShem with humans and that's a no no if you read Isaiah 46:5. We are not free even to make up analogies. So much that Elohim is of an absolute Oneness. Besides, a female dog cannot create a puppy alone if I am to remind you, she needs the male dog. If God needed another God to create the Universe, He would not be God, because He would have to be created and He would no longer be of an Absolute Oneness. Hence, it would not make sense the existence of more than one God. If HaShem did not cause the Universe to exist, go ahead and tell me what and how was the Universe caused to exist? That's the only way you can change my mind.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I agree with one and like one's argument. Regards

You are in.

 

[paarsurrey]

Absolutely not! You are comparing HaShem with humans and that's a no no if you read Isaiah 46:5. We are not free even to make up analogies. So much that Elohim is of an absolute Oneness. Besides, a female dog cannot create a puppy alone if I am to remind you, she needs the male dog. If God needed another God to create the Universe, He would not be God, because He would have to be created and He would no longer be of an Absolute Oneness. Hence, it would not make sense the existence of more than one God. If HaShem did not cause the Universe to exist, go ahead and tell me what and how was the Universe caused to exist? That's the only way you can change my mind.

Is Hashem and YHWH or Yahweh the same ONE Being in Judaism? Please
Regards

 

[Repox]

I am sorry to contradict your denial but, for a Jew in the Tanach is not al all difficult to discover the truth. If you are concerned with other people's belief is a personal position because the whole Christianity bothers themselves that another believes differently. What bothers me in your belief is our mission from Elohim to share the truth of God with you because we have been assigned as light unto the Gentiles if you read Isaiah 42:6 The Heaven of God is not a place to be found into but a peaceful estate of mind if you read Luke 17:21. "The Kingdom of God is within you, or among you." God is of an Absolute Oneness. Under no circumstances there are two Gods which is a Christian doctrine, not Jewish. Your description of Heaven is too pagan. Now, you are right to say that Physical laws don't apply in heaven because, indeed, they don't; only in the Universe.

There is no use arguing my duality of God or any other religious concept with you, or any other believer. I just like to post what I know. I don't care if what I know is unaccepted to Jews or Christians. I am accountable to the holy God in heaven, not religious authorities or other believers on earth. I don't believe ""The Kingdom of God is within you, or among you." The kingdom of God is in heaven, not in our material universe. My most surprising idea is God is a duality. It explains a lot about Jesus sayings in "The Gospel of Thomas" and other prior gospels. By the time Mark and the other NT gospel authors finished embellishing Jesus stories, the real Jesus story was lost.

For me to conform to what you want me to believe I would have to lie about what I know from my dreams. I don't understand the controversy. Isn't my description of heaven as you would expect? Why wouldn't heaven be different than our material world? Why wouldn't there be no gravity of physical laws? God created those things for the universe, Satan's prison. Why do I have to conform to this or that religion or set of ideas? What is wrong with heaven being composed of God's bright holy light? Bright holy light is consistent with OT prophets descriptions of God and angels.
Anyway, that is the way it is. God is found in the middle of a worship circle of angels. Isn't that to be expected?

I look but can't find the kingdom of God inside men. I see frail imperfect humans. I see creatures not to much different from other species. Except for symbolic communication skills, they are very similar to other species. If God is inside humans, why is there no evidence? Humans live out there lives under both good and bad circumstances . They suffer the consequences of their actions, fall ill to diseases, age and die. There is no evidence for the holiness of humans. The verse, "The Kingdom of God is within you, or among you," must be one of the most ridiculous verses in the New Testament. It is a way for humans to glorify themselves. knowing Jesus was God, not the son of God, I find much of the NT to be foolishness. It is to be expected. Humans really don't like God. He is too different. Humans prefer God to be human, or like them. The son of God fits what people want, it fits with human needs for a human like deity. Believers like what Paul wrote about Jesus. "that he might be firstborn among many brothers," (Romans 8:29) Believers want to be equal to the son God. Jesus is just one of many brothers? How absurd! It brings Jesus down to human level. Hey, why not make Jesus one of many ape brothers. Aren't apes more peaceful than humans? They don't use nuclear weapons to win wars.

 

[Ben Avraham]

There is no use arguing my duality of God or any other religious concept with you, or any other believer. I just like to post what I know. I don't care if what I know is unaccepted to Jews or Christians. I am accountable to the holy God in heaven, not religious authorities or other believers on earth. I don't believe ""The Kingdom of God is within you, or among you." The kingdom of God is in heaven, not in our material universe. My most surprising idea is God is a duality. It explains a lot about Jesus sayings in "The Gospel of Thomas" and other prior gospels. By the time Mark and the other NT gospel authors finished embellishing Jesus stories, the real Jesus story was lost.

For me to conform to what you want me to believe I would have to lie about what I know from my dreams. I don't understand the controversy. Isn't my description of heaven as you would expect? Why wouldn't heaven be different than our material world? Why wouldn't there be no gravity of physical laws? God created those things for the universe, Satan's prison. Why do I have to conform to this or that religion or set of ideas? What is wrong with heaven being composed of God's bright holy light? Bright holy light is consistent with OT prophets descriptions of God and angels.
Anyway, that is the way it is. God is found in the middle of a worship circle of angels. Isn't that to be expected?

I look but can't find the kingdom of God inside men. I see frail imperfect humans. I see creatures not to much different from other species. Except for symbolic communication skills, they are very similar to other species. If God is inside humans, why is there no evidence? Humans live out there lives under both good and bad circumstances . They suffer the consequences of their actions, fall ill to diseases, age and die. There is no evidence for the holiness of humans. The verse, "The Kingdom of God is within you, or among you," must be one of the most ridiculous verses in the New Testament. It is a way for humans to glorify themselves. knowing Jesus was God, not the son of God, I find much of the NT to be foolishness. It is to be expected. Humans really don't like God. He is too different. Humans prefer God to be human, or like them. The son of God fits what people want, it fits with human needs for a human like deity. Believers like what Paul wrote about Jesus. "that he might be firstborn among many brothers," (Romans 8:29) Believers want to be equal to the son God. Jesus is just one of many brothers? How absurd! It brings Jesus down to human level. Hey, why not make Jesus one of many ape brothers. Aren't apes more peaceful than humans? They don't use nuclear weapons to win wars.

God is of an Absolute Oneness and this has nothing to do with Jesus who was a Jew, and the idea that he was God is Christian not Jewish. If the dead could hear what is said up here on earth, Jesus would turn in the grave, believe me!

 

[Ben Avraham]

Is Hashem and YHWH or Yahweh the same ONE Being in Judaism? Please Regards

Yes Paarsurrey, HaShem and YHWH are One and Same in Judaism. I use HaShem just as a reference to the real name.

 

[Repox]

God is of an Absolute Oneness and this has nothing to do with Jesus who was a Jew, and the idea that he was God is Christian not Jewish. If the dead could hear what is said up here on earth, Jesus would turn in the grave, believe me!

I agree God is supernatural spirit, but I don't believe God is inside of his creation. Also, I believe Jesus was God. God assumed a human form while in the world as Jesus. However, I don't agree with Christians. Jesus was not the son of God, he was God. I also believe God is a duality. If you will, both Gods may be considered as one. It is not orthodoxy or within religious tradition to regard God as a duality. Therefore, I agree and disagree with your definition of God. It makes no difference, semantics will not change or alter humans perception of God. Mostly, I disagree with the idea of God being inside humans. Since I don't regard humans as holy or, except for symbolic communication abilities, much different than other species, I suggest that if God is inside of humans He is also inside of monkeys and apes, or any number of other species. Careful about the deer you kill, you may be killing God. ha. ha.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I agree God is supernatural spirit, but I don't believe God is inside of his creation. Also, I believe Jesus was God. God assumed a human form while in the world as Jesus. However, I don't agree with Christians. Jesus was not the son of God, he was God. I also believe God is a duality. If you will, both Gods may be considered as one. It is not orthodoxy or within religious tradition to regard God as a duality. Therefore, I agree and disagree with your definition of God. It makes no difference, semantics will not change or alter humans perception of God. Mostly, I disagree with the idea of God being inside humans. Since I don't regard humans as holy or, except for symbolic communication abilities, much different than other species, I suggest that if God is inside of humans He is also inside of monkeys and apes, or any number of other species. Careful about the deer you kill, you may be killing God. ha. ha.

Okay Repox, I read your post above but I only found it funny, no offense meant. You believe in two gods; I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I hope we will both be happy in the way we have chosen to live our lives.

 

[Repox]

Okay Repox, I read your post above but I only found it funny, no offense meant. You believe in two gods; I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I hope we will both be happy in the way we have chosen to live our lives.

It is an interesting phenomena, the two Gods together are inside a sphere, so if you don't look closely, you just see the sphere.

 

[paarsurrey]

Okay Repox, I read your post above but I only found it funny, no offense meant. You believe in two gods; I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I hope we will both be happy in the way we have chosen to live our lives.

No harm at least in this world. Just live in peace with an open heart and soul.
Please
Regards

 

[Ben Avraham]

No harm at least in this world. Just live in peace with an open heart and soul. Please Regards

Well! Yes but, "At least in this world!" But we have only this world to live; is there any other world that you are aware of? From reading the gospel of Jesus which was the Tanach, the only world besides this is the eternal home of the dead. (Psalms 49:12, 20)

 

[paarsurrey]

Okay Repox, I read your post above but I only found it funny, no offense meant. You believe in two gods; I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I hope we will both be happy in the way we have chosen to live our lives.

"I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"

Is it correct to state"I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob"? Please
Regards

 

[Ben Avraham]

"I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" Is it correct to state"I believe in the Absolute Oneness of the God of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob"? Please. Regards

No problem! Even if you want to include Paul, it is all within the context of your Freewill. You have all the right in the world even to include Zeus.

 

[Ben Avraham]

It is an interesting phenomena, the two Gods together are inside a sphere, so if you don't look closely, you just see the sphere.

If that's the way you understand the issue, you are welcome to spread your message.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I agree God is supernatural spirit, but I don't believe God is inside of his creation. Also, I believe Jesus was God. God assumed a human form while in the world as Jesus. However, I don't agree with Christians. Jesus was not the son of God, he was God. I also believe God is a duality. If you will, both Gods may be considered as one. It is not orthodoxy or within religious tradition to regard God as a duality. Therefore, I agree and disagree with your definition of God. It makes no difference, semantics will not change or alter humans perception of God. Mostly, I disagree with the idea of God being inside humans. Since I don't regard humans as holy or, except for symbolic communication abilities, much different than other species, I suggest that if God is inside of humans He is also inside of monkeys and apes, or any number of other species. Careful about the deer you kill, you may be killing God. ha. ha.

Once Nietzsche criticized Baruch de Spinoza by saying that he, Spinoza was intoxicated with God. Does it mean that God was inside Spinoza? That's why one must have some understanding of metaphorical language. Now, for Jesus to be God, even metaphorically I can't understand because the doctrine is Christian and Jesus was a Jew. Unless I am convinced that he was Greek. Now, as a Jew and part of the People of Israel, he was son of God according to Exodus 4:22,23 as long as he lived. Once he died, he ceased being son of God because HaShem is not God of the dead but of the living.

 

[Repox]

If that's the way you understand the issue, you are welcome to spread your message.

I find no advantage in spreading this message. Mostly, what people desire is to identify with Jesus, a human just like them, and feel as if they are divine. It must be one of the best kept secrets ever. It is difficult to believe Jesus was God. Why would God be so humiliated? It makes humans look like murders, not saints. But, wait, aren't there a lot of saints. Hey, I want to be a saint. How much does it pay?

 

[Ben Avraham]

I find no advantage in spreading this message. Mostly, what people desire is to identify with Jesus, a human just like them, and feel as if they are divine. It must be one of the best kept secrets ever. It is difficult to believe Jesus was God. Why would God be so humiliated? It makes humans look like murders, not saints. But, wait, aren't there a lot of saints. Hey, I want to be a saint. How much does it pay?

One does not need to pay too much to be a saint; BTW, Jesus himself had the formula for all of us to put into practice. We must listen to "Moses" aka the Law, he said if you read Luke 16:29-31. Now, if you read Revelation 14:12, "Here are the saints of the Most High; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" which was Judaism. Though being counted among the saints of the Most High, we remain mortals and, as a mortal, there has never been one upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. (Ecclesiastes 7:20) To be immune from sin, one must already be in the eternal home of the dead if you read Psalms 49:12,20.

 

[Repox]

One does not need to pay too much to be a saint; BTW, Jesus himself had the formula for all of us to put into practice. We must listen to "Moses" aka the Law, he said if you read Luke 16:29-31. Now, if you read Revelation 14:12, "Here are the saints of the Most High; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" which was Judaism. Though being counted among the saints of the Most High, we remain mortals and, as a mortal, there has never been one upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. (Ecclesiastes 7:20) To be immune from sin, one must already be in the eternal home of the dead if you read Psalms 49:12,20.

I like this quote from Psalms." But man [being] in honor abideth not: He is like the beasts that perish." Accept for symbolic communication abilities, we are not much different than other species. Assuming Jesus was God, the story changes. There is no reason to think God would sacrifice for humankind. He came into the world to give testimony. Everything went wrong: He was misinterpreted, disrespected, and killed. Why would we believe such unbelievable Jesus stories. It is Christian fairyland.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I like this quote from Psalms." But man [being] in honor abideth not: He is like the beasts that perish." Accept for symbolic communication abilities, we are not much different than other species. Assuming Jesus was God, the story changes. There is no reason to think God would sacrifice for humankind. He came into the world to give testimony. Everything went wrong: He was misinterpreted, disrespected, and killed. Why would we believe such unbelievable Jesus stories. It is Christian fairyland.

Yes, Jesus was misinterpreted, disrespected and killed by the Romans; why? Because he allowed his own disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in a Roman province which was Jerusalem at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) That's the reason why Jesus was crucified to death and his verdict was commanded by Pilate to be nailed on the top of his cross which read INRI. Pilate wanted to make sure every one knew the reason why Jesus was arrested and crucified on the charge of insurrection. But certainly, it did not help because the anti-Semites still prefer the slander that the Jews had killed Jesus. I guess Antisemitism dies hard.

 

[Repox]

Yes, Jesus was misinterpreted, disrespected and killed by the Romans; why? Because he allowed his own disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in a Roman province which was Jerusalem at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) That's the reason why Jesus was crucified to death and his verdict was commanded by Pilate to be nailed on the top of his cross which read INRI. Pilate wanted to make sure every one knew the reason why Jesus was arrested and crucified on the charge of insurrection. But certainly, it did not help because the anti-Semites still prefer the slander that the Jews had killed Jesus. I guess Antisemitism dies hard.

If you research the questions, you will find the NT gospel authors wrote their gospels 40 to 50 years after Jesus was murdered. Then, if you cross check those gospels with prior gospels you'll find they are different. You do not find "Jesus stories" in prior gospels. What you find are "Jesus sayings," not stories. Hardly anyone does research. Most Christians just accept on faith every word from the four gospels. It is as if those gospel authors were perfect, they were supermen, or holy, they knew every word of God. Wait, weren't they saints? Just think about it, so many perfect people here on earth.

It is also interesting that those prior gospels made no mention of Jesus being the son of God and no mention of the crucifixion. Hey, that's why the Catholic Church destroyed so many of the other gospels! they didn't agree with the saintly four gospels. What terrible heresy!

Moreover, if you research the prior gospels, you will find the real Jesus didn't make Anti-Semitic comments, didn't make speeches criticizing Jewish authorities, and was not a rebel. Jesus (God) came into the world to give testimony to His chosen people. NT authors were not Jews, had never visited the holy land, and were Anti-Semitic as their NT gospels testified.