The Ahl Al-bayt

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Amin.



Abou Soufyan joined the hypocrites...The Ummayds are the cursed tree mentioned in the Quran.



As of the Quran...We are the ones who believe that the Quran has not been changed. The narrators of the Quran are Shiites people...And the Famous Quran printed in Saudi Arabia is narrated by Hafs, from Asim who narrated it from Imam Ali a.s.

Sunni claim that the Quran has been distorted...

They Also claim that some of the Quran was narrated by a single individual!

Aysha said..a chicken has eaten part of the Quran...

We believe that they distorted the meanings of the Quran...

Yes the Sunnis still claim that some part of the Quran printed in Saudi Arabia is not part of the Quran...That is the first verse of each verse "Bismillah al-rahman-Al raheem"

If i have time i can go on and on.

it is worth mentioning that ...The word 'Sunnis' is misleading ...The differences between the Sunni sects are huge....

There were wars between them...

Save the taqiyyah. I know some shias believe in tahriif of quran, they say 12th imam got the complete quran and current quran is only 1/3 of the Real Quran. So they say 2/3 is missing.



But know that only a Kaafir believes in the tahriif of quran and only a Kaafir makes takfiir of sahaba because they disbelieve in words of Allah about quran and sahaba and only a Kaafir accused Aisha r.a of zina(Adultery) and kufr(disbelief).



My question for u is:

Is a person who believes in tahriif of quran and takfiir upon sahaba a murtad kaafir? Yes or no

 

[faroukfarouk]

Salam brother.

The answer is crystal clear. I answer you from your sunni books:

1. Sahih Muslim, English reference : Book 31, Hadith 5955:

' A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (sawaws) went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair, then came Husayn and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Imam Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came Ali and he also took him under it and then said:
" Allah only desires to repel all impurity from you, O Ahl al-Bayt, and purify you with a thorough purification.( holy Quran, Sura Al-Ahzab, verse 33 )"

2.Jami` at-Tirmidhi English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3871( the author says: this Hadith is Sahih and good ):
Narrated Umm Salamah( Husband of Prophet ):
"The Prophet (ﷺ) put a garment over Al-Hasan, Al-Hussain, 'Ali and Fatimah, then he said: 'O Allah, these are my AhlulBayt, so repel all impurity from them and purify them with a thorough purification."
So Umm Salamah( Husband of Prophet ) said: 'And am I with them, O Messenger of Allah?' So Prophet said: "( You are not with them, but )You are upon good."

3.Almustadrak 'ala Ssahihayn( المستدرک علی الصحیحین ) by Hakim, Hadith 4692( the author says: this Hadith is Sahih, based on the opinion of Muslim( author of Sahih Al-muslim ) )
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
"For six months, the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) would pass by the door of house of Fatimah when going to the Fajr prayer saying: 'As-Salat O, Ahl al-Bayt! " Allah only desires to repel all impurity from you, O Ahl al-Bayt, and purify you with a thorough purification.( holy Qur'an, Sura Al-Ahzab, verse 33 )"

And also many other Hadiths, such as Hadith for verse of Zavil Qurba, and Hdith for verse of Mubahilah.

So Ahl al-Bayt are: Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, Hazrat Fatima, Imam Hasan, Imam Husayn and also the rest of the nine imams from Imam Husayn descendants ( peas be upon them ).
But why the rest of the nine imams from Imam Husayn descendants?
Because Prophet Muhammad said in Hadith Al-Thaqaleyn that Qur'an and Ahl al-Bayt never split from each other until the day of resurrection. So all Imams until Imam Mahdi( Twelve Imams ) are AhlulBayt of Prophet Muhammad.

Walaikum Salaam brother
Firstly Mojtaba non of the hadiths that you quoted ever give reference as (holy Quraan Sura Al-Ahzab).
Secondly The hadith that you quote from Umm Salamah is incorrect.
Here is full hadith......
"The Prophet (SAW) put a garment over Al-Hasan, Al-Hussain, 'Ali and Fatimah, then he said: 'O Allah, these are the people of my house and the close ones, so remove the Rijs from them and purify them thoroughly." So Umm Salamah said: 'And am I with them, O Messenger of Allah?' He said: "You are upon good."'
Note by adding all those words in brackets you are merely deceiving yourself.
Brother we are the Ahl Al Sunna Wa Jamaa accept Hazrat Ali(RA),Bibi Fatimah(RA),Hazrat Hasan(RA) and Hazrat Hussain(RA) as the Ahl Al-Bayt.We do not deny them as Ahl Al Bayt but at the same time the Noble Quraan confirms the wives as also the Ahl Al Bayt so the question is why do you deny them as part of the house hold of our nabi(SAW).It seems that the Shias have gone to extremes in their beliefs that they deny the wives of our beloved Nabi(SAW) but they regard Abu Talib as part of the Ahl Al Bayt.
Brother by denying the wives of our Nabi(SAW) as Ahl Al Bayt is actually denying the verse of the Noble Quraan.Behold brother he who dies with the hate of the family of our beloved Nabi(SAW) will die as an unbeliever.
Salaams
faroukfarouk

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Sarah wife of Ibrahim pbuh was called Ahlulbayt.
Mother pbuh of Musa was called ahlulbayt.

Verses before 33:33 and after 33:33 are about wives of prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Shias clearly dont read quran
May Allah guide them.


Only Naasibi Kaafir denies that wives of prophets are part of their household(ahlulbayt), except disbelievers because son of Noah was not part of ahlulbayt he died as disbeliever, wives of Lud and Noah died as disbelievers they did not belong to their ahlulbayt.

Allah swt said to Noah when he asked his Lord about the case of his son: He( son) is from my family. Allah answered him: No he is not from ur family, his works is wicked. So this noble verse shows that disbelievers are never members of the household of prophets whether they are sons, uncles, fathers, mothers or wives.

 

[mojtaba]

Walaikum Salaam brother
Firstly Mojtaba non of the hadiths that you quoted ever give reference as (holy Quraan Sura Al-Ahzab).
Secondly The hadith that you quote from Umm Salamah is incorrect.
Here is full hadith......
"The Prophet (SAW) put a garment over Al-Hasan, Al-Hussain, 'Ali and Fatimah, then he said: 'O Allah, these are the people of my house and the close ones, so remove the Rijs from them and purify them thoroughly." So Umm Salamah said: 'And am I with them, O Messenger of Allah?' He said: "You are upon good."'
Note by adding all those words in brackets you are merely deceiving yourself.
Brother we are the Ahl Al Sunna Wa Jamaa accept Hazrat Ali(RA),Bibi Fatimah(RA),Hazrat Hasan(RA) and Hazrat Hussain(RA) as the Ahl Al-Bayt.We do not deny them as Ahl Al Bayt but at the same time the Noble Quraan confirms the wives as also the Ahl Al Bayt so the question is why do you deny them as part of the house hold of our nabi(SAW).It seems that the Shias have gone to extremes in their beliefs that they deny the wives of our beloved Nabi(SAW) but they regard Abu Talib as part of the Ahl Al Bayt.
Brother by denying the wives of our Nabi(SAW) as Ahl Al Bayt is actually denying the verse of the Noble Quraan.Behold brother he who dies with the hate of the family of our beloved Nabi(SAW) will die as an unbeliever.
Salaams
faroukfarouk

Salam my brother.
No. We do not deny the verse of noble Qur'an.
But:
Note that in Arabic, the pronoun refering to females is different from that of males.
In all verses which are about wives of Prophet(RA), « کُنَّ » pronoun is used, which refers to a group of females. But in Tathir verse, which is only for Prophet, 12 Imams and Hazrat Fatima, the pronoun clearly changes to « کُمْ », which refers to a group of males, or a group of males and females.

So AhlulBayt are a group of males and females, because the pronoun کم is used. You and I have accepted this.
So far, there is not any problem to accept wives of prophet as AhlulBayt.

But there is another clue for recognizing AhlulBayt, which should be mentioned.

In all verses which are about wives of Prophet, You can see «بیوتکن», which means your houses. Indeed, in these verses house is plural and refers to houses of wives of Prophet.

But in Tathir verse, which is only for Prophet, 12 Imams and Hazrat Fatima, the style changes again and «البیت» is used.
البیت means the house( Note, house is singular, contrary to other verses ). So What house is the house of AhlulBayt?
True Hadith of the teacher of Qur'an says us the answer:

Almustadrak 'ala Ssahihayn( المستدرک علی الصحیحین ) by Hakim, Hadith 4692( the author says: this Hadith is Sahih, based on the opinion of Muslim( author of Sahih Al-muslim ) ):
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
"For six months, the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) would pass by the door of house of Fatimah when going to the Fajr prayer saying: 'As-Salat O, Ahl al-Bayt! " Allah only desires to repel all impurity from you, O Ahl al-Bayt, and purify you with a thorough purification.( holy Qur'an, Sura Al-Ahzab, verse 33 ).

So no doubt remains that AhlulBayt(peas be upon them) are only Hazrat Fatima, Imam Ali( i.e. husband of Hazrat Fatima ) and other 12 Imams who are decedents of Hazrat Fatima(a.s.).

 

[mojtaba]

Sarah wife of Ibrahim pbuh was called Ahlulbayt.
Mother pbuh of Musa was called ahlulbayt.

Verses before 33:33 and after 33:33 are about wives of prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Shias clearly dont read quran
May Allah guide them.


Only Naasibi Kaafir denies that wives of prophets are part of their household(ahlulbayt), except disbelievers because son of Noah was not part of ahlulbayt he died as disbeliever, wives of Lud and Noah died as disbelievers they did not belong to their ahlulbayt.

Allah swt said to Noah when he asked his Lord about the case of his son: He( son) is from my family. Allah answered him: No he is not from ur family, his works is wicked. So this noble verse shows that disbelievers are never members of the household of prophets whether they are sons, uncles, fathers, mothers or wives.

We read Qur'an, but read it correctly.

You mention: Sarah wife of Ibrahim pbuh was called Ahlulbayt.
Mother pbuh of Musa was called ahlulbayt.

Yes. But AhlulBayt of Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Musa( peas be upon them ) are different from AhlulBayt of Prophet Muhammad. I proved in my previous post that the wives of Prophet Muhammad are not between his AhlulBayt.

You mention: "Verses before 33:33 and after 33:33 are about wives of prophet Muhammad pbuh."

True. But the style of verses completely changes when Qur'an talks about AhlulBayt.
1- Pronoun changes from کن ( is used only for referring to females ) to کم ( is used for referring to a group of males and females ).
2- بیوتکن which means your houses[ houses of wives of Prophet ] in which house is plural, changes to البیت which is singular and means the house.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

We read Qur'an, but read it correctly.

You mention: Sarah wife of Ibrahim pbuh was called Ahlulbayt.
Mother pbuh of Musa was called ahlulbayt.

Yes. But AhlulBayt of Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Musa( peas be upon them ) are different from AhlulBayt of Prophet Muhammad. I proved in my previous post that the wives of Prophet Muhammad are not between his AhlulBayt.

You mention: "Verses before 33:33 and after 33:33 are about wives of prophet Muhammad pbuh."

True. But the style of verses completely changes when Qur'an talks about AhlulBayt.
1- Pronoun changes from کن ( is used only for referring to females ) to کم ( is used for referring to a group of males and females ).
2- بیوتکن which means your houses[ houses of wives of Prophet ] in which house is plural, changes to البیت which is singular and means the house.

Thats only in shia worldview which is very strange and not based on quran and sunnah.


We believe wives of prophets are parts of their households, the one who holds different belief is kaafir murtad.

Because he denies that wives are part of prophets households. He denies all evidences.

 

[mojtaba]

We believe wives of prophets are parts of their households, the one who holds different belief is kaafir murtad.

So your opinion is that the author of the book Sahih al-Muslim, imam Muslim, is kaafir murtad(i.e. unbeliever and apostate)???!!!

Sahih Muslim, USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 31, Hadith 5923.
In-book reference: Book 44, Hadith 58
Chapter: The Virtues Of 'Ali Bin Abi Talib

Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error [and the other is my Ahlul Bayt], and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household(Ahlul Bayt)? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his household(Ahlul Bayt)?
Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people."

 

[MARCELLO]

It means people of the book,right? What about hindus then?

 

[mojtaba]

It means people of the book,right? What about hindus then?

What does mean people of the book?

 

[MARCELLO]

What does mean people of the book?

That's ahl bayt??? They call me like this here,since I have a christian like name,I am assumed christian here.

 

[Smart_Guy]

It means people of the book,right? What about hindus then?

Oh no, there is a confusion here

This one is "Ahl(u)'l Bait" not "Ahl(u)'l Kitab", and "Ahl(u)'l" is read "Ahlul" which is actually two words blended.

The former is what this subject is about, and it means Family of the House, and "House" here refers to that of Prophet Muhammad's family tree.

The latter is what you are talking about and it is translated to People of the Book indeed, despite having the word "Ahl" which could also mean those who belong to/in something.

It is a completely different subject. You are welcome to start a new thread in the Islam DIR to know more.

 

[MARCELLO]

Thank you for the correction smartguy.