The Anti-Ten Commandments - The New America!

[DavidFirth]

By the way, the frustration that you are feeling and caused you to write this OP is because your mistaken beliefs and tenacious clinging to these beliefs due to attachment has led you away from the true Reality and the true God behind it. Thus, like a sweater worn on a summer day, Reality is telling you that your beliefs and practices are contrary to Truth. True beliefs and true practices lead to peace within and without and friendly harmony with the world, society and the universe regardless of one's position in it (viz. Gandhi, Mandela, Dalai Lama). That you sorely lack it is obvious, and you should consider being open enough to cast aside the ill-fitting itchy belief system you are so hell-bent on keeping on. They are for You, the true-Being, and not you for them.

Just friendly advice. The choice of course is yours as always friend.

Preaching! That's not allowed! Only Carl Sagan may preach here!

 

[DavidFirth]

I know you're joking but If you took out number 6 and added a clause about "consent" to number 7, I'd probably agree with most of this on paper. I think the reality would be horrific but it could be worth a try. As for number 8, It's not stealing- its sharing without your permission. Its called Taxation and redistribution of wealth.

My personal favourite is number 5. We should all obey Carl.

Wow, a man after my own heart!

 

[Revoltingest]

Sounds like it came right out of Satan's mouth! Lovely!

Finally recognizing that Satan has much good to offer?
Good for you!

 

[DavidFirth]

It's not a matter of getting rid of Christianity; it's a matter of treating Christianity as just another religion, no more or less important than any other.

It seems to me that you're interpreting loss of privilege as persecution.

Preach it, brother!

 

[DavidFirth]

Finally recognizing that Satan has much good to offer?
Good for you!

Yes, we love lies and half-truths that deceive the faithful! Glorious!

 

[sayak83]

Preaching! That's not allowed! Only Carl Sagan may preach here!

Report me then. Duh.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, we love lies and half-truths that deceive the faithful! Glorious!

So the list Carlita offered advocates lying?

1. Believe in the religion, moral, or path that calls to you.
2. Don't forsake your own path for someone else's truth
3. Don't speak ill of your religion and the religion of others
4. Always keep an honest and truthful heart on the path you've chosen
5. Always treat everyone including yourself with respect and love
6. Respect life and the life of other
7. Be honest and respectful to those who you "like"
8. Respect other's property as you respect them
9. Always share the truth not to lie at the expense of your own
10. Don't try to convert someone from their path to your own

Her list has some advantages over the Bible's 10 Commandments.
One is forbidding forced conversion.
Xians have used violence to force conversion (no commandment against this).

 

[DavidFirth]

So the list Carlita offered advocates lying?

Her list has some advantages over the Bible's 10 Commandments.
One is forbidding forced conversion.
Xians have used violence to force conversion (no commandment against this).

Judging others is strictly forbidden! It is a free society here! Anything goes! (Except Christianity, of course!)

 

[Revoltingest]

Judging others is strictly forbidden! It is a free society here! Anything goes! (Except Christianity, of course!)

I'm all about judging others.
No waiting until arriving at the Pearly Gates in the afterlife.

 

[sayak83]

Judging others is strictly forbidden! It is a free society here! Anything goes! (Except Christianity, of course!)

Seriously what old America are you crying over? The one that massacred Amerindians and took over all their lands? The America built through slave labor and disenfranchisement of African Americans? The America of profligate spending of1920-s, or the America of nuclear arms race and Vietnam War. Which great and pious Christian America are you so nostalgic over?

 

[DavidFirth]

Seriously what old America are you crying over? The one that massacred Amerindians and took over all their lands? The America built through slave labor and disenfranchisement of African Americans? The America of profligate spending of1920-s, or the America of nuclear arms race and Vietnam War. Which great and pious Christian America are you so nostalgic over?

Exactly! Ban the Christians!

 

[Stevicus]

Seriously what old America are you crying over? The one that massacred Amerindians and took over all their lands? The America built through slave labor and disenfranchisement of African Americans? The America of profligate spending of1920-s, or the America of nuclear arms race and Vietnam War. Which great and pious Christian America are you so nostalgic over?

Well, there's good and bad with everything. I remember my grandparents and their generation would talk about the "good old days" with a certain nostalgia. Most had nothing to do with the massacres or enslavement, but they might still look back on a simpler, more pastoral, bucolic existence. It was clearly no picnic - a lot of hard work, waking up at 4am to milk the cows, walking to school barefoot in the snow. But they also had some fun times, too. Swimmin' in the swimmin' hole, Saturday night square dances, church socials - good wholesome entertainment.

Of course, when we look back on it now with a more cynical eye, a lot of that may seem like some kind cheesy "put on," but I can perfectly understand why people might look back on earlier eras with a great deal of sentimentality and nostalgia. It may have nothing to do with reality, but then, neither does religion - yet people still believe in it anyway.

 

[sayak83]

Well, there's good and bad with everything. I remember my grandparents and their generation would talk about the "good old days" with a certain nostalgia. Most had nothing to do with the massacres or enslavement, but they might still look back on a simpler, more pastoral, bucolic existence. It was clearly no picnic - a lot of hard work, waking up at 4am to milk the cows, walking to school barefoot in the snow. But they also had some fun times, too. Swimmin' in the swimmin' hole, Saturday night square dances, church socials - good wholesome entertainment.

Of course, when we look back on it now with a more cynical eye, a lot of that may seem like some kind cheesy "put on," but I can perfectly understand why people might look back on earlier eras with a great deal of sentimentality and nostalgia. It may have nothing to do with reality, but then, neither does religion - yet people still believe in it anyway.

I understand. But I am less tolerant as I have found that this search for bringing back the lost "purity" of the good old days of religion, society, nation or ethnic virtues is the seed from which the venom of fundamentalism and fascism grows.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Exactly! Ban the Christians!

Wow, a man after my own heart!

Yes, we love lies and half-truths that deceive the faithful! Glorious!

But wait... don't you secretly admit to yourself that God exists and only deny Him because you want to remain in your life of sin and evil? I have been told quite a few times that this is how it works...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Christians I know personally don't feel oppressed. They go about their business trying to be of service to the "least of these" in different ways. And they often are involved with interfaith organizations believing that working with those of other beliefs is something they are called to do. The interfaith logo locally illustrates this (and I'll note for @Shadow Wolf the presence of a pentagram):

At the "other end" of my story, I did hate Christianity and Christians for awhile. And then one day the lady who owned/ran the Neo-Pagan store I went to hired a Christian lady and that decisions stunned many of the regulars in that store (it was more of a community/hang out place for the regulars and a store for the non-regulars). And she was nothing like the Christians I'd dealt with my entire life. And then I met her husband, and Episcopalian priest, and the store developed into a beautiful interfaith community, and those who had been abused by Christians (there were many homosexuals who were regulars) learned and experienced that they aren't all hateful bigots, and the priest even started to openly allow homosexuals into his church (it cost him a huge chunk of his congregation, but many years later he still feels he did the proper thing for someone of his position because all are children of god) long before "affirming church" became a common use term. This family in general was so non-judgemental that they even invited me to dinner, and religious beliefs and differences were even brought up. It was then I got over my hatred, and learned you have to judge the book separate from the follower, and judge a follower by what they practice rather than by what their book teaches and as one lump of angry, paranoid bigots.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My personal favourite is number 5. We should all obey Carl.

I personally object to 4 because Black Sabbath is holy!

All hail the Ozzman and the high priests Iommi and Butler!

 

[DavidFirth]

But wait... don't you secretly admit to yourself that God exists and only deny Him because you want to remain in your life of sin and evil? I have been told quite a few times that this is how it works...

Bah! Humbug!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're out of touch. Get in the game!

I think you need to take a few deep breaths, reflect upon things, and ponder where the source of your rant and "anti-commandments" come from. Such as, Sagan, Hawking, Dawkins, Harris, none of them would advocate for murder or theft, and would say if it feels good do it. Rather, their morality is much simpler than a list of commandments, easily summed up as "harm none." Harris believes rather than science can provide us with an objective set of morality, and many feel that morality is something we evolved to have to aid in group cohesion given we are social animals (something Darwin speculated).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The sad thing, you can replace "atheist" with so many other adjectives, and the results are the same. And those "bashing crosses" on others, no, they aren't nearly as bad as Islamic extremists, but the rest of Christendom needs to do something about them because it can be very easy, especially for various minorities, to see those bashers as the sum of Christianity. Much like how many Conservatives view all Liberals as whiny entitled UC Berkeley brats who want to censor free speech, just as many Liberals view all Conservatives as a bunch of poor-hating, pro-ultra wealthy elitists.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, no, those suck. Not humanist or atheist enough. Every man and woman for his or herself, that's the New America. If you can't keep up then go live in a cardboard box and get out of the way of progress! And for heavens sake, key a Christian's car or something while you're at it.

That's neither a tenet of atheism nor humanism.