the apeal of trump from a "never trump" person

[Iti oj]

Okay so im just going and try to state the apeal of trump as i see it when i watch his speeches and follow this election. I suggest none of these as reason for voting for him or that they are valid, its mostly just feeling and perception and many of them are wrong, and the reason not to vote trump are numerous.

I am non partisan I supported Mcain and then supported Obamas re election I vote libertarian as often as green party.

So the appeal of trump. First off he is a non politician. That is great. He talks about corruption in the system . He has been talking about the DNC email scandal and courting Bernie supporters (unsuccessfully) The establishment seems to hate him(though his media attention calls this into question) He has an unpolished and unscripted way of speaking. Hillary can be so robotic with her speeches. He talks often about the lack of opportunity and jobs as well as problematic trade deals. he has an isolationist view point(bad or good some people like that)

ahh i can't do this sorry. I thought i had more but Im sturggeling to write this post. I'll try again next time i have seen a speech and feel the inspiration to write this thread again.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let's just say at present, the system is abysmal in terms of true representation.

Its been a long long time since we had a boisterous "Teddy Roosevelt" that can shake up an entrenched self serving, non representive mentality that is, and has been so pervasive throughout our entire political system. So much so that it's become an exclusive club rather than a working representive Goverment by people of all walks of life and occupations. Not just lawyers.

 

[Mindmaster]

Okay so im just going and try to state the apeal of trump as i see it when i watch his speeches and follow this election. I suggest none of these as reason for voting for him or that they are valid, its mostly just feeling and perception and many of them are wrong, and the reason not to vote trump are numerous.

I am non partisan I supported Mcain and then supported Obamas re election I vote libertarian as often as green party.

So the appeal of trump. First off he is a non politician. That is great. He talks about corruption in the system . He has been talking about the DNC email scandal and courting Bernie supporters (unsuccessfully) The establishment seems to hate him(though his media attention calls this into question) He has an unpolished and unscripted way of speaking. Hillary can be so robotic with her speeches. He talks often about the lack of opportunity and jobs as well as problematic trade deals. he has an isolationist view point(bad or good some people like that)

ahh i can't do this sorry. I thought i had more but Im sturggeling to write this post. I'll try again next time i have seen a speech and feel the inspiration to write this thread again.

Hillary's entertainment value is absolutely zero, and that helps her in no way at all. He's getting about half of the Bernie supporters so far, because they're not party line voters. Trump will give them about half of what they want, and that's better than none of it at all. I think it's safe to say that if George Soros doesn't like him he's probably a great candidate. Watch Trump's last three speeches, they're big, and they're right. You can hate him on a personal level, but the man is going to act on his values and I'd say in that department he's probably got Hillary beat. His move to get supplies and donate to LA relief efforts is really "Trump the man", and he's done similar things before without being the Republican candidate. You can love him, you can hate him, but he was in LA when Obama was off golfing and Hillary was loafing about for 3-4 days.

 

[metis]

Hillary's entertainment value is absolutely zero, and that helps her in no way at all. He's getting about half of the Bernie supporters so far, because they're not party line voters. Trump will give them about half of what they want, and that's better than none of it at all. I think it's safe to say that if George Soros doesn't like him he's probably a great candidate. Watch Trump's last three speeches, they're big, and they're right. You can hate him on a personal level, but the man is going to act on his values and I'd say in that department he's probably got Hillary beat. His move to get supplies and donate to LA relief efforts is really "Trump the man", and he's done similar things before without being the Republican candidate. You can love him, you can hate him, but he was in LA when Obama was off golfing and Hillary was loafing about for 3-4 days.

I guess if you keep repeating this to yourself you'll come to believe it.

I suppose you don't notice the racism involved in his last three speeches? Why is he supposedly appealing to black voters by speaking to almost all-white audiences in largely white areas while not attending any black areas or speaking to black groups? Why do you think he's doing that, M?

And is a candidate's "entertainment value" really important for the office of president? And I already told you about La.'s governor asking Obama not to come there, but you just blow that off as if nothing was ever said. Fine of you don't believe me, but at least spend maybe one minute to actually look it up. BTW, Obama is going there today.

And what "values" does Trump supposedly have that impresses you? Maybe like his sales technique to the administration of Trump University that now is in court? Or maybe him not allowing blacks to rent apartments he owned in NYC back in the 1970's, thus flagrantly violating U.S. law? Or is it making fun of a handicapped man? Etc, etc, ...

 

[Skwim]

Okay so im just going and try to state the apeal of trump as i see it when i watch his speeches and follow this election. I suggest none of these as reason for voting for him or that they are valid, its mostly just feeling and perception and many of them are wrong, and the reason not to vote trump are numerous.

I am non partisan I supported Mcain and then supported Obamas re election I vote libertarian as often as green party.

So the appeal of trump. First off he is a non politician.

His ignorant followers thinking that this is a good thing to be when entering the political arena as the top dog. It ain't folks. It's no better than Gandhi entering a boxing ring with the idea he can beat his boxing opponent with offers of peace. No matter how much one may despise politics, it's the only game in town, and it's far better to be well versed in its machinations when joining in than to not be. Nope, being an absolute political novice is not the way to step into the drivers seat.

That is great. He talks about corruption in the system.

With absolutely no plans as to how it should be un-corrupted.

He has been talking about the DNC email scandal and courting Bernie supporters (unsuccessfully)

Whipping a dead horse will never get him anywhere except to please his 30%ers.

The establishment seems to hate him(though his media attention calls this into question)

I don't see why this would be a plus, but any hate is well deserved, and only brought upon him by Trump himself.

He has an unpolished and unscripted way of speaking. Hillary can be so robotic with her speeches.

Considering that his unpolished and unscripted way of speaking has reveled him to be a first class buffoon, I don't see why this would be appealing.

He talks often about the lack of opportunity and jobs as well as problematic trade deals. he has an isolationist view point(bad or good some people like that)

Like everything he talks about, he points out problems but doesn't offer any solutions. Saying "I'll fix it, believe me" is meaningless.

So, any appeal he may have is only resonating with his 30%ers and no one else. He appeals to such a base, pedestrian, knee-jerk level of thinking that reason is shoved aside in favor of emotional feasting. It doesn't matter that what he says makes sense or not as long as it resonates with the fears, biases, and G I Joe go-get-'em mentality of people. Thankfully there are enough people in the USA who left their GI Joes behind when they entered high school, and recognized that reason is a far better ally.


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[Twilight Hue]

Remember Obama's hope and change? Lol.

The democrats certainly didn't provide hope and change for the past 8 years. That's for sure. Well maybe change. Not the good kind of change. Were in debt at record levels dwarfing the Bush administration, the middle class all but decimated, healthcare hideously unaffordable, and a complete wreak. A tyranny of the minority over the majority exists.

The appeal of Trump lay in the possibility that he will actually do something constructive and directly beneficial for the majority of American people rather than for that now private and exclusive club of legal eagle goodfellows called, The Goverment".

Trump seems a true bulldog there. An unusually appealing quality to see that disruption among the pompus elites that we for some reason, call leaders and representives.

 

[metis]

Remember Obama's hope and change? Lol.

The democrats certainly didn't provide hope and change for the past 8 years. That's for sure.

Really? You actually believe that? Let's run a quick review, OK?

In 2009 when Obama took over, we were in an economic freefall and losing 900,000 employees per month. Obama "bailed out" the banks to make them solvent, including running a mandatory "litmus test" to see which ones were still solvent and which weren't. Our stock market was in shambles. Bush's "rebate" program did nothing to stop or even slow down the drift into the Great Recession. Unemployment hit over 10%, not even reflecting those that gave up (it's now 4 & 1/2%, although there are still some whom have given up looking). Last year's business profits hit an all time high.

Internationally, Europeans actually were more worried about Bush than the were about bin-Laden according to polls taken there. We were involved in two absolutely crazy wars that cost us trillions. 9-11 took place under Bush, whereas he had been warded that something was up prior to that. And Obama took a chance and we got bin-Laden, who's been feeding the fishes ever since.

In education, "No Child Left Behind" wasn't working, and public school assistance from the fed was reduced.

The only thing I have to say, and say loudly, is "Thank God for Obama!!!".

 

[columbus]

The democrats certainly didn't provide hope and change for the past 8 years. That's for sure. Well maybe change. Not the good kind of change. Were in debt at record levels dwarfing the Bush administration, the middle class all but decimated, healthcare hideously unaffordable, and a complete wreak. A tyranny of the minority over the majority exists.

To which Democrats are you referring?
The people running the economy have been Republican for about 20 years. That is Congress.

I will agree that one of Obama's weak points was his attempt to unify the partisan government. He could have accomplished more if he had been less bipartisan while Capitol Hill was bluer.

He wasted his chances and the Tea Party got a bunch of people elected who would rather shut down the government for partisan reasons (Make Obama a One Term President!) than get the economy going again.
Tom

 

[Underhill]

Let's just say at present, the system is abysmal in terms of true representation.

Its been a long long time since we had a boisterous "Teddy Roosevelt" that can shake up an entrenched self serving, non representive mentality that is, and has been so pervasive throughout our entire political system. So much so that it's become an exclusive club rather than a working representive Goverment by people of all walks of life and occupations. Not just lawyers.

I think Obama was the closest thing to that in recent history. But his choices upon getting the office were pretty disheartening.

But I have to disagree with columbus at least in part. I don't think it mattered how Obama approached the right. The proof is in the pudding as it were. There is a myth that Obama didn't reach across the aisle with Obamacare. That just isn't true. He tried initially but when it became clear the republicans were not willing to even sit down with him, he moved forward without them. But what were his options? Do nothing and get blamed for doing nothing, or move ahead without republicans and get blamed for being partisan? At least in the latter case he accomplished something before they publicly neutered him.