JRMcC
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I agree with that 100%.
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The Arabs And Muslims Must Acknowledge Their Direct Responsibility For The Terror Sweeping The World
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I agree with that 100%.
JRMcC
Active Member
I agree with that too.
I just don't think a billion people on the planet should have to take responsibility for what small terror groups do.
Arabs and Muslims are not responsible for all terrorism "sweeping the world"; only some of them are. I would say that Islamic scholars in the Muslim world are largely responsible. Furthermore, a clear distinction between Arabs and Muslims must be made because not all Arabs are Muslims, and not all Muslims are Arabs. I think it is safe to say that there is little to no support for beheading or 9/11 from Arab Christians and atheists.
The thread title is still a sweeping generalization, though. For example, my Muslim friends are not responsible for terrorism. My family aren't either. They all condemn and reject it. I think the negative generalization in the OP is very mistaken and bordering on hateful, if it is not actually so. I think it is fairer and more accurate to say that the Muslim world is rife with enough extremism and "us vs. them" thinking to give rise to hate groups and terrorist organizations, but there are a lot of moderate people in the Muslim world. I think we shouldn't forget those.
As for the Nazi propaganda in this thread, that is just disgraceful. It points to the trend of grasping for straws and beating around the bush whenever the Muslim world is criticized instead of responding to the criticism itself.
The thread title is still a sweeping generalization, though. For example, my Muslim friends are not responsible for terrorism. My family aren't either. They all condemn and reject it. I think the negative generalization in the OP is very mistaken and bordering on hateful, if it is not actually so. I think it is fairer and more accurate to say that the Muslim world is rife with enough extremism and "us vs. them" thinking to give rise to hate groups and terrorist organizations, but there are a lot of moderate people in the Muslim world. I think we shouldn't forget those.
As for the Nazi propaganda in this thread, that is just disgraceful. It points to the trend of grasping for straws and beating around the bush whenever the Muslim world is criticized instead of responding to the criticism itself.
I do agree with you
what i mean by mention to NAZI/JEWISH case that generalizing is bad ,since the OP"er" is Jewish
and everything had responisiblity in period of time , especialy our leaders .
so you more but
, don't you feel that
i consider this propaganda against ALL Muslims and Arabs , and i consider you and some others had anti-Muslims and anti-Arabs hate and generalizing
i mean by "all" whom kill and whom killed , just killers and victimes ,
I don't meant all people.
I can say there was agreement in Germany to slay all Jews , that why there was 5 million Jews killed, and majority of others just neutral ,watching and hearing about the genocide, they did not act against it .
of course everyone had his own responsibility (leaders of both sides Jews and Nazis) .
if some people consider my opinion about rule of Jews in WW2 as propaganda against Jews , why this thread did not consider as propaganda against Muslims (generalizing title) ?
I agree with you. it is wrong to generalize and I find it distasteful. I think honestly people were a bit shocked by what you said, and took it at face value that you blamed jews for WW2, rather than thinking over whether the two generalizations are eqivilent to one another. the internet doesn't communicate sarcasm very well so people took it the wrong way. opps!
Well, that certainly went off well.
I think the emphasis of Adnan Hussein's editorial is not so much placed on the notion that Arabs and Muslims must acknowledge their responsibility for the terror sweeping the world as it is placed on that Arabs and Muslims should demand and end to the dangerous propaganda that is currently being spewed in the schools, mosques, and media, and its replacement by more reasonable teachings.
Perhaps the most interesting aspect of his editorial to me was that he seems to be arguing that "extremist" propaganda is ubiquitous in the Arab and Muslim worlds. I would have liked it if he had gone on to explain precisely why that is so, though, rather than just hint at the funding that is behind it.
ak.yonathan
Active Member
The terrorists have nothing to do with Islam. This isn't being politically correct in case anyone accuses me of being it, it's the truth. You acknowledged yourself that Islam does not condone beheadings and bloodshed. The reason why the extremist propaganda is ubiquitous in the Arab world is because they (the Arabs) have deluded themselves. You can tell by the fact that they won't listen to reason.
Much as it's noteworthy to note whenever any Israeli acknowledges Israeli responsibility for an increasingly ugly occupation.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
If you can recognize the flaw in blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few, then surely you can recognize the flaw in blaming Jews for the actions of just a few people, right?
Who cares if a handful of Jews decided to not purchase products from Germany? Does that really justify the Holocaust in your eyes?
By that same measure, wouldn't Western powers be justified in doing something similar since a handful of your faithful brethren are lunatics who constantly murder innocent people?
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
Surely, you as a Jew must, on a daily basis, apologise for the mass slaughter of Palestinians for the last 60 years? I'll be waiting
Hyperbole is unhelpful here. This should offer perspective.Surely, you as a Jew must, on a daily basis, apologise for the mass slaughter of Palestinians for the last 60 years? I'll be waiting
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
By the way,the terrorist attacks in Afghanistan are not valued? Were they attacked cause they were too bad?Cannot this be called a sweeping? A sweeping is called a sweeping in case it is only west of Vienna? Within this mindset you will suffer more,I am sorry to tell the truth.
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
Rubbish, plain and simple. Please, don't have a double standard in your flawed argument...if I could even call it an argument lol
If you look at stats put forward by europol, the FBI, the UN and various other agencies, you will see the tiny proportion of terrorist acts carried out by so called Muslim extremists and the British Intelligence service themselves have stated it is less likely to someone from a religious backgroudn and more "religious novices".
Here have a read: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1
Bye.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
This is my thread and it is meant to discuss Mr. Hussein's editorial. So no more talk of WWII, the Holocaust , or any other off-topic discussions.
From the editorial, Mr. Hussein said that the peace loving aspect of Islam isn't at the forefront of its current teachings. He specifically wrote: "In religion and history classes in elementary school, junior high, high school and later [even] in the university, they insisted on teaching us that we are the chosen [people], the best and most glorious of nations, that our religion is the true religion and that we are the right group that will be saved [from hell], whereas others are people of falsehood, infidels who belong in hell and are doomed to hellfire, whose killing is permissible and whose property and wives are ours for the taking."
And Mr. Hussein concluded: "We cannot escape our responsibility for terror, and no excuses will avail us. First we must recognize [our responsibility], and apologize to ourselves and others and correct our ways from now on. We cannot do this without thoroughly rethinking our curricula and changing them from the root, from elementary school to university [level]. There will be no forgiveness unless we change the way religion {sic: Islam} is presented in the curricula, in universities, in mosques and in husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations. For the religion [as presented there] is not a religion of tolerance, peace, harmony, mutual responsibility and compassion. The religion [presented] in our curricula, universities, mosques and husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations, is a barbaric religion characterized by beheadings and bloodshed and which incites to steal, usurp, enslave and rape. The other, [compassionate,] religion, which some of claim is the true religion, has no presence in our lives. At best, its voice is feeble and heard almost by nobody, especially among the oppressed new generation that is marginalized and whose humanity is being compromised by poverty, rejection and injustice, and by the crazy curricula and fatwas."
What do you think of his writings? Does he have a valid point?
From the editorial, Mr. Hussein said that the peace loving aspect of Islam isn't at the forefront of its current teachings. He specifically wrote: "In religion and history classes in elementary school, junior high, high school and later [even] in the university, they insisted on teaching us that we are the chosen [people], the best and most glorious of nations, that our religion is the true religion and that we are the right group that will be saved [from hell], whereas others are people of falsehood, infidels who belong in hell and are doomed to hellfire, whose killing is permissible and whose property and wives are ours for the taking."
And Mr. Hussein concluded: "We cannot escape our responsibility for terror, and no excuses will avail us. First we must recognize [our responsibility], and apologize to ourselves and others and correct our ways from now on. We cannot do this without thoroughly rethinking our curricula and changing them from the root, from elementary school to university [level]. There will be no forgiveness unless we change the way religion {sic: Islam} is presented in the curricula, in universities, in mosques and in husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations. For the religion [as presented there] is not a religion of tolerance, peace, harmony, mutual responsibility and compassion. The religion [presented] in our curricula, universities, mosques and husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations, is a barbaric religion characterized by beheadings and bloodshed and which incites to steal, usurp, enslave and rape. The other, [compassionate,] religion, which some of claim is the true religion, has no presence in our lives. At best, its voice is feeble and heard almost by nobody, especially among the oppressed new generation that is marginalized and whose humanity is being compromised by poverty, rejection and injustice, and by the crazy curricula and fatwas."
What do you think of his writings? Does he have a valid point?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Surely, you as a Jew must, on a daily basis, apologise for the mass slaughter of Palestinians for the last 60 years? I'll be waiting
>Mass slaughter
>~25.000 deaths from both sides combined after 67 years
:^)
Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud...
The Islamic hegemony into Europe is a mandate as part of totalitarian conquest by a police state agenda, it is a political agenda as much as a religious one, and also involves land grabs and looting wealth of the "West".
The proper term for this should be Islamo-Fascism.
It is not an exclusive "religious" movement but a police state agenda with politics and religion mixed together in a dangerous cocktail where you are supposed to literally worship the government and the government rulers (e.g, Islamic STATE).
It's borders are expanded by military invasion and terrorism. But as with all such government ideologues, one factiun of state minded despots fight with other despots of the same overall agenda. They typically arise and thrive from a "Nation of Tribes" and we will see the same here in Ameruca as we are further fractionalized into tribes who over identitfy based on false narratuves and false grievances - Islamic extremisism is the paramount danger to the entire world because they are the exemplar of this, even though they are vastly outnumbered and will be squashed over time but it will be a slow process.
Yuguslavia. This may be the future of France.
We learn this morning - and as usual, this is not being reported by the local Democratic Party in their capacity as the official State of California guvernment which runs a government controlled local news media in the Bay Area, so we have to find out from the Brits - six Bosnian immigrants, three from Missouri, two from Illinois and one from New York, who were already charged with sending MILITARY EQUIPMENT into Syria and Iraq to support both ISIS and the Al Qaeda as well as the Al-Nusra Front. They have been identified as ISIS operatives.
Nothing actually surprising or new about such outrages, it is wide spread, the point is it was now reported these were "immigrants" given "refuge".
These are the Muslims that Bill Clinton supported when he bombed Serbian Christians to prop-up these Muslim states and Muslim extremist activity during the 1990's, they then came in as "refugees" from Yugoslavia where Bill Clinton was bombing Belgrade and Christians to "protect" the Muslims and then these Bosnian "immigrants" were "given a new life" in the United States so that they can now be ISIS terrorists.
Will any phony liberal "journalist" ask Hillary Clinton about her husband's role in bombing Belgrade and support for Bosnian Muslims who came as refugees for their new life in the United States and are now arrested as ISIS terrorists?
The Muslim states proped up by Bill Clinton in his attacks on Christian Serbs are now the hotbeds for weapons and gun running to Islamic terrorist operations globally. When Yugoslavia was conquered by Nazis in World War II, and the National Socialist puppet country of the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) was set up, the NDH leaders embarked on a campaign of extermination of Serbs, Jews, Romani, Croats, and communists and established death camps policed and enforced by Nazis and local Muslims, outlawed the Eastern Orthodox religion while declaring Islam and Austro-German Catholicism as the official religions. Over 300,000, estimates are high as 580,000, Christian Serbs were mass murdered by the Nazis and their Muslim allies.
Most of these Muslims were forced converts hundreds of years ago as part of the Ottoman and Islamic global invasions into Europe. The Austrians actually later supported the Muslims over the Christian Serbs when a Serbian assassinated the Arch Duke as part of an independence move and the high fractionalism of the region divided by competeing Western verse Islamic anti-Semetic extremism that set off World War One. Some Jews so abused by anti-semetic Muslims turned to communism for "refuge". Most of the Nazi propaganda about Jews and communists were based on examples of communist Jews from these areas.
The Germans first learned of how to run concentration camps when elite staff of the Kaiser military came under the influence of Muslims in Turkey and learned how to make modern concentration camps from them. Their already existed anti-semitism was greatly re-enforced.
The proper term for this should be Islamo-Fascism.
It is not an exclusive "religious" movement but a police state agenda with politics and religion mixed together in a dangerous cocktail where you are supposed to literally worship the government and the government rulers (e.g, Islamic STATE).
It's borders are expanded by military invasion and terrorism. But as with all such government ideologues, one factiun of state minded despots fight with other despots of the same overall agenda. They typically arise and thrive from a "Nation of Tribes" and we will see the same here in Ameruca as we are further fractionalized into tribes who over identitfy based on false narratuves and false grievances - Islamic extremisism is the paramount danger to the entire world because they are the exemplar of this, even though they are vastly outnumbered and will be squashed over time but it will be a slow process.
Yuguslavia. This may be the future of France.
We learn this morning - and as usual, this is not being reported by the local Democratic Party in their capacity as the official State of California guvernment which runs a government controlled local news media in the Bay Area, so we have to find out from the Brits - six Bosnian immigrants, three from Missouri, two from Illinois and one from New York, who were already charged with sending MILITARY EQUIPMENT into Syria and Iraq to support both ISIS and the Al Qaeda as well as the Al-Nusra Front. They have been identified as ISIS operatives.
Nothing actually surprising or new about such outrages, it is wide spread, the point is it was now reported these were "immigrants" given "refuge".
These are the Muslims that Bill Clinton supported when he bombed Serbian Christians to prop-up these Muslim states and Muslim extremist activity during the 1990's, they then came in as "refugees" from Yugoslavia where Bill Clinton was bombing Belgrade and Christians to "protect" the Muslims and then these Bosnian "immigrants" were "given a new life" in the United States so that they can now be ISIS terrorists.
Will any phony liberal "journalist" ask Hillary Clinton about her husband's role in bombing Belgrade and support for Bosnian Muslims who came as refugees for their new life in the United States and are now arrested as ISIS terrorists?
The Muslim states proped up by Bill Clinton in his attacks on Christian Serbs are now the hotbeds for weapons and gun running to Islamic terrorist operations globally. When Yugoslavia was conquered by Nazis in World War II, and the National Socialist puppet country of the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) was set up, the NDH leaders embarked on a campaign of extermination of Serbs, Jews, Romani, Croats, and communists and established death camps policed and enforced by Nazis and local Muslims, outlawed the Eastern Orthodox religion while declaring Islam and Austro-German Catholicism as the official religions. Over 300,000, estimates are high as 580,000, Christian Serbs were mass murdered by the Nazis and their Muslim allies.
Most of these Muslims were forced converts hundreds of years ago as part of the Ottoman and Islamic global invasions into Europe. The Austrians actually later supported the Muslims over the Christian Serbs when a Serbian assassinated the Arch Duke as part of an independence move and the high fractionalism of the region divided by competeing Western verse Islamic anti-Semetic extremism that set off World War One. Some Jews so abused by anti-semetic Muslims turned to communism for "refuge". Most of the Nazi propaganda about Jews and communists were based on examples of communist Jews from these areas.
The Germans first learned of how to run concentration camps when elite staff of the Kaiser military came under the influence of Muslims in Turkey and learned how to make modern concentration camps from them. Their already existed anti-semitism was greatly re-enforced.