The Arabs And Muslims Must Acknowledge Their Direct Responsibility For The Terror Sweeping The World

[Shusha]

This thread has gone a different direction than I believe was intended,

Well, I was trying to get it back on track. But it seems no one wants to talk about what Islam is actually teaching these days.

 

[Akivah]

I think this is very much a subject which needs to be discussed and acknowledged, especially within the Muslim community. I found this excellent article as well. I was going to provide a snip, but interested participants of this thread really should read the entire article.

Both these articles point out, correctly, that so-called moderate Islam, really isn't that moderate at all. And that the truly peaceful and tolerant Islam is only a whisper in the world.

That was a good article Shusha. Yes, the peaceful voice of Islam is very faint. I have found that any "moderate" arabic voices only express condolences as a "yes, but...". This means that any apology or remorse is downplayed with an excuse. As in "yes, those Muslims committed bad acts, but they were driven to it". Or the apoligists will not admit to remorse for a barbaric action, but instead will point fingers at some barbaric christian action from centuries ago and use that as an excuse.

 

[Shusha]

That was a good article Shusha. Yes, the peaceful voice of Islam is very faint. I have found that any "moderate" arabic voices only express condolences as a "yes, but...". This means that any apology or remorse is downplayed with an excuse. As in "yes, those Muslims committed bad acts, but they were driven to it". Or the apoligists will not admit to remorse for a barbaric action, but instead will point fingers at some barbaric christian action from centuries ago and use that as an excuse.

I have found the same. I also find that while "moderates" find the actual act of killing to heinous - the Islamic ideology they hold is virtually identical. In other words -- the radicals are entirely correct in their understanding of Islam.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I also find that while "moderates" find the actual act of killing to heinous - the Islamic ideology they hold is virtually identical. In other words -- the radicals are entirely correct in their understanding of Islam.

No .. you just listen to satan when he tells you to cause division .. Moderate Muslims do not believe it is part of Islam to slaughter civilians while they work or play .. it's not only Muslims that might do this .. some people just seem to go beserk these days .. the world is not in balance .. it's not Almighty God's fault .. it is ours!

 

[Shusha]

No .. you just listen to satan when he tells you to cause division .. Moderate Muslims do not believe it is part of Islam to slaughter civilians while they work or play .. it's not only Muslims that might do this .. some people just seem to go beserk these days .. the world is not in balance .. it's not Almighty God's fault .. it is ours!

I understand that moderate Muslims do not believe it is permissible to slaughter civilians. Read my post again.

 

[Shusha]

Here is a useful illustration of what I mean. Yesterday, a Muslim posted a comment on another thread saying that my people are animals and should be nuked. Another posted that all Israelis are legitimate targets for murder. Now, I understand these Muslims would be considered extremist (at least I would hope so) and do not represent all Muslims.

But here's the thing....There appear to be dozens of Muslims actively posting on RF. How many stood up for the right of people, all people, not to be dehumanized? None. How many rose up against the heinous idea that people should be murdered for their ideas? None. How many stood up and, correctly, called these statements genocide? None. How many defended my right to live, let alone to hold my own beliefs and practice them? None. How called out their fellow Muslims? None. How many provided a countering force against that sort of hatred? None. How many showed me a better Islam? None.

None and none and none and none and none. Silence. Deafening silence. This is my experience with Islam. At best, silence. At its worst -- that I am a pig who should be slaughtered.

If the good, peaceful, tolerant Muslims want to show me a good and peaceful and tolerant Islam then the first thing they need to do is show up and speak.