The Arabs And Muslims Must Acknowledge Their Direct Responsibility For The Terror Sweeping The World

[MARCELLO]

>Mass slaughter
>~25.000 deaths from both sides combined after 67 years

:^)
Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud...

As long as you are not one of the 25.000 deaths,sure it means nothing to you and you can make fun of it. Nobody here says that Israel is responsible of something. We are talking about something wider. Pls wake up!

 

[MARCELLO]

I am a christian slavian and responsible for what we did against directly to bosnians are you,sure?

I will report this topic to mods as it has all things about arabs/muslims discriminated. What kind of bloody generalization is that? Do you still think all Germans are Nazis? If not,why?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Rubbish, plain and simple. Please, don't have a double standard in your flawed argument...if I could even call it an argument lol

If you look at stats put forward by europol, the FBI, the UN and various other agencies, you will see the tiny proportion of terrorist acts carried out by so called Muslim extremists and the British Intelligence service themselves have stated it is less likely to someone from a religious backgroudn and more "religious novices".

Here have a read: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

Bye.

You clearly misunderstood my point, rendering your counterpoint almost comical. I have been, and continue to be, a pretty vocal opponent of Islamophobia. Next time, think before you shoot.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I will report this topic to mods as it has all things about arabs/muslims discriminated.

Huh?

 

[leibowde84]

I can say some of scholars encourage the voilence by their extrem fatwas .

in Iraq , the intern voilence comes after invading Iraq
in Libya intervent of NATO
in Syria intervent of Kings of Oil and West and Turkey and Jordan.
in Yeman intervent of Saudi Arabia and Iran
the abuse and racist against Palestines by some Jews is facture of ecourage the voilence .


Hilter blame Jews world problems in that time, so Germans (NAZI) go to revolution against Jews dominate German and world economy ,so the world drop in WW2 , which cost the world 60 millions people !!!

Hitler Speaks About the Jews

I get your point here, but there is another side. Hitler blaming the Jews could be seen as similar to Islamists blaming the west for nurturing extremism. Blame should rightly lie with any Muslim who uses their religion to separate themselves from the global society. Things like modesty have created an unnecessary divide between Muslims and our global economy/society. The idea that some would like to separate themselves and their children from the immodesty of the west should never be encouraged.

 

[Flankerl]

Nobody here says that Israel is responsible of something

lol that is just funny.

As long as you are not one of the 25.000 deaths,sure it means nothing to you and you can make fun of it.

How do you figure it means nothing to me or that I make fun of it?

I make fun of the ridiculous claims some people bring forward.

 

[Godobeyer]

I agree with you. it is wrong to generalize and I find it distasteful. I think honestly people were a bit shocked by what you said, and took it at face value that you blamed jews for WW2, rather than thinking over whether the two generalizations are eqivilent to one another. the internet doesn't communicate sarcasm very well so people took it the wrong way. opps!

I imagine if China run after USA and start economy war (sanction and boycott ), that's could take seriously as declaretion of a war against USA by China .

the same thing about Jews , the Jews businessmen whom had responsibility for cause the hate against them by NAZI , when they decide to boycott (delcare economy war against Germans ), so it's generalized by NAZI to all Jews .

Yes i meant to generalize to make feel shame on generalizing is , and generalizing is evil .

the title of this thread is generalize to all Muslims and Arabs that we are responsible for the terrorism .

 

[Flankerl]

the Jews businessmen whom had responsibility for cause the hate against them by NAZI

Uh no.

 

[Laika]

the title of this thread is generalize to all Muslims and Arabs that we are responsible for the terrorism

As a communist sympathiser, I shares the same beliefs as Stalin and Mao. I've gone through days when its hard to know if I'm any better than a Nazi. you're not sure who to be more angry with: the people who share your beliefs but betrayed them (or in a strange sense betrayed "you"), or the people who turn your ideas into a term of abuse because they don't want to see how human beings turn into monsters.

trust me. I do understand.

 

[Godobeyer]

This is my thread and it is meant to discuss Mr. Hussein's editorial. So no more talk of WWII, the Holocaust , or any other off-topic discussions.

From the editorial, Mr. Hussein said that the peace loving aspect of Islam isn't at the forefront of its current teachings. He specifically wrote: "In religion and history classes in elementary school, junior high, high school and later [even] in the university, they insisted on teaching us that we are the chosen [people], the best and most glorious of nations, that our religion is the true religion and that we are the right group that will be saved [from hell], whereas others are people of falsehood, infidels who belong in hell and are doomed to hellfire, whose killing is permissible and whose property and wives are ours for the taking."

And Mr. Hussein concluded: "We cannot escape our responsibility for terror, and no excuses will avail us. First we must recognize [our responsibility], and apologize to ourselves and others and correct our ways from now on. We cannot do this without thoroughly rethinking our curricula and changing them from the root, from elementary school to university [level]. There will be no forgiveness unless we change the way religion {sic: Islam} is presented in the curricula, in universities, in mosques and in husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations. For the religion [as presented there] is not a religion of tolerance, peace, harmony, mutual responsibility and compassion. The religion [presented] in our curricula, universities, mosques and husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations, is a barbaric religion characterized by beheadings and bloodshed and which incites to steal, usurp, enslave and rape. The other, [compassionate,] religion, which some of claim is the true religion, has no presence in our lives. At best, its voice is feeble and heard almost by nobody, especially among the oppressed new generation that is marginalized and whose humanity is being compromised by poverty, rejection and injustice, and by the crazy curricula and fatwas."

What do you think of his writings? Does he have a valid point?

I believe he is wrong , no one Muslim innocent is responsible for terror , we had responsiblity to deliver the truth message of Islam " PEACE" , which disagree with the terror and crimes .

how is most of Muslims are disagree with terror and victime of it and may fighting it , BECOME THE DIRECT THE RESPONSIBLE OF TEROR ?

there is generalizing in your title of this thread

 

[Godobeyer]

You clearly misunderstood my point, rendering your counterpoint almost comical. I have been, and continue to be, a pretty vocal opponent of Islamophobia. Next time, think before you shoot.

I think he misunderstood you .

 

[Godobeyer]

This is my thread and it is meant to discuss Mr. Hussein's editorial. So no more talk of WWII, the Holocaust , or any other off-topic discussions.

From the editorial, Mr. Hussein said that the peace loving aspect of Islam isn't at the forefront of its current teachings. He specifically wrote: "In religion and history classes in elementary school, junior high, high school and later [even] in the university, they insisted on teaching us that we are the chosen [people], the best and most glorious of nations, that our religion is the true religion and that we are the right group that will be saved [from hell], whereas others are people of falsehood, infidels who belong in hell and are doomed to hellfire, whose killing is permissible and whose property and wives are ours for the taking."

And Mr. Hussein concluded: "We cannot escape our responsibility for terror, and no excuses will avail us. First we must recognize [our responsibility], and apologize to ourselves and others and correct our ways from now on. We cannot do this without thoroughly rethinking our curricula and changing them from the root, from elementary school to university [level]. There will be no forgiveness unless we change the way religion {sic: Islam} is presented in the curricula, in universities, in mosques and in husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations. For the religion [as presented there] is not a religion of tolerance, peace, harmony, mutual responsibility and compassion. The religion [presented] in our curricula, universities, mosques and husseiniyyas, and on the radio and television stations, is a barbaric religion characterized by beheadings and bloodshed and which incites to steal, usurp, enslave and rape. The other, [compassionate,] religion, which some of claim is the true religion, has no presence in our lives. At best, its voice is feeble and heard almost by nobody, especially among the oppressed new generation that is marginalized and whose humanity is being compromised by poverty, rejection and injustice, and by the crazy curricula and fatwas."

What do you think of his writings? Does he have a valid point?

his point below is valid

Drive For Justice, Adnan Hussain, Humanity, Peace, Justice, Palestine

 

[Shusha]

It seems to me that nearly everyone on this thread has colossally missed the point of the OP and the article in it, which is NOT about blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few, but is asking: what are we teaching our children about Islam? and why are the peaceful, tolerant voices of Islam so quiet?

 

[Akivah]

It seems to me that nearly everyone on this thread has colossally missed the point of the OP and the article in it, which is NOT about blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few, but is asking: what are we teaching our children about Islam? and why are the peaceful, tolerant voices of Islam so quiet?

Bullseye!

 

[Shusha]

I think this is very much a subject which needs to be discussed and acknowledged, especially within the Muslim community. I found this excellent article as well. I was going to provide a snip, but interested participants of this thread really should read the entire article.

Both these articles point out, correctly, that so-called moderate Islam, really isn't that moderate at all. And that the truly peaceful and tolerant Islam is only a whisper in the world.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Both these articles point out, correctly, that so-called moderate Islam, really isn't that moderate at all. And that the truly peaceful and tolerant Islam is only a whisper in the world.

Islam is not a pacifist religion, as are for example 'Quakers', but it does NOT teach to be aggressive to others unless believers are oppressed or attacked first. I also don't recall any 'suicide bombing' until relatively recently ..

I suppose you think that 'Catholicism' is not a moderate religion either, because of the IRA

 

[Shusha]

The topic is much broader than just physical violence and suicide bombing, in terms of what defines "moderate". I don't find Catholicism, generally, to be especially moderate, but not because of the IRA.

 

[David1967]

It seems to me that nearly everyone on this thread has colossally missed the point of the OP and the article in it, which is NOT about blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few, but is asking: what are we teaching our children about Islam? and why are the peaceful, tolerant voices of Islam so quiet?

This thread has gone a different direction than I believe was intended,

 

[Willamena]

The executive editor of the Iraqi daily Al-Mada, 'Adnan Hussein, published a harsh article titled "This Is Our Terror, We Are Responsible". He said that the curricula, the media and the mosques in the Muslim world constitute a platform for inculcating a barbaric kind of Islam that condones beheadings and bloodshed, whereas the voice of the other kind of Islam, which preaches peace and compassion, is barely heard.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8860.htm

I think it is noteworthy whenever any Muslim acknowledges Muslim responsibility for world-wide terror.

All Christians must acknowledge their direct responsibility for the Spanish Inquisition*.

* No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[David1967]

All Christians must acknowledge their direct responsibility for the Spanish Inquisition*.

* No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Monty Python fan?