The archaeological and historical evidence of the early history of the Jews before 600 BCE.

[River Sea]

Why do you keep repeating this topic about chess which has absolutely no relevance to the thread.?

The archaeological and historical evidence of the early history of the Jews before 600 BCE.​

Because you @shunyadragon wrote about chess. I responded to your post.

You @shunyadragon blame me for responding to your post, so I defend myself, that I responded to your post, then you blame me for writing about chess. I then show you your long post about games that includes chess in India. Then you blame me for showing you this, I then show you that I shown you.

If you hadn't blamed me for responding to your long game post. Then I wouldn't be defending myself.

Showing how you @shunyadragon changed my post to @GoodAttention I never wrote the word chess when @GoodAttention wondered about starting a new thread. I was showing @GoodAttention yes, please start a new thread. Read my post, then read your @shunyadragon showing chess when I didn't write chess in my post to @GoodAttention, and look how @GoodAttention acknowledged your @shunyadragon post, causing me to reshow because I'm not heard. It shows I have to communicate all over again. Take a look.

this causes me to need to communicate all over again. Take a look at my post then your post @shunyadragon

You @shunyadragon added chess and @GoodAttention saw your message and it appears not see mine, yet I didn't write chess to my post to @GoodAttention due to this it shows I need to communicate all over again. So I did. However after this I chosen to start a thread myself on the topic that @GoodAttention shown.

Here's my attempt now to only write 600 BCE using AI only

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The primary archaeological and historical evidence for the early history of the Jews before 600 BCE comes from the Hebrew Bible, alongside supporting evidence from cuneiform tablets found in Mesopotamia, particularly the "Al-Yahudu" tablets, which document a Jewish community living near Babylon, and the Elephantine papyri from Egypt, detailing the lives of a Jewish community in southern Egypt during the 5th century BCE; these sources provide details about their settlements, social structures, and religious practices, including names with the divine element "Yah" indicating worship of Yahweh.


Key points about the evidence:

• Biblical Accounts:
  The Hebrew Bible narrates the story of the Hebrew patriarchs, the Exodus from Egypt, the conquest of Canaan, and the establishment of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, providing a foundational narrative for Jewish history.
  
  
  
• Mesopotamian Cuneiform Tablets:
  • "Al-Yahudu" tablets: These tablets, found in ancient Babylon, mention a community called "Judahtown" and include personal names with the "Yahu" element, indicating a Jewish presence in the region.
    
    
    
  • Murashu tablets: Another set of cuneiform tablets from Mesopotamia, also offering insights into Jewish life in the area.
• Egyptian Papyri:
  • Elephantine Papyri: These documents from a Jewish community in Elephantine, Egypt, provide details about their religious practices, including the worship of Yahweh and the existence of a temple dedicated to him.
• Archaeological Sites in Israel:
  • Hilltop settlements: Excavations in the highlands of Israel have revealed remains of small, fortified villages believed to be Israelite settlements, often with distinctive pottery styles.
    
    
    
  • Siloam Tunnel: A large water tunnel in Jerusalem, considered a significant engineering feat, demonstrates the organizational capabilities of the ancient Israelite society.

Challenges in Interpretation:

• Biblical Accuracy:
  Scholars debate the historical accuracy of certain biblical stories, particularly regarding large-scale military campaigns and population movements.
• Distinguishing Israelite Culture:
  Identifying unique cultural markers that definitively separate Israelites from other Canaanite groups within the region remains a challenge for archaeologists.

Overall, while there are complexities in interpreting the archaeological and historical evidence, the combination of biblical texts, Mesopotamian cuneiform tablets, and Egyptian papyri provide a substantial understanding of the early Jewish people and their origins before 600 BCE

 

[shunyadragon]

Because you @shunyadragon wrote about chess. I responded to your post.

You @shunyadragon blame me for responding to your post, so I defend myself, that I responded to your post, then you blame me for writing about chess. I then show you your long post about games that includes chess in India. Then you blame me for showing you this, I then show you that I shown you.

If you hadn't blamed me for responding to your long game post. Then I wouldn't be defending myself.

Showing how you @shunyadragon changed my post to @GoodAttention I never wrote the word chess when @GoodAttention wondered about starting a new thread. I was showing @GoodAttention yes, please start a new thread. Read my post, then read your @shunyadragon showing chess when I didn't write chess in my post to @GoodAttention, and look how @GoodAttention acknowledged your @shunyadragon post, causing me to reshow because I'm not heard. It shows I have to communicate all over again. Take a look.

this causes me to need to communicate all over again. Take a look at my post then your post @shunyadragon

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You @shunyadragon added chess and @GoodAttention saw your message and it appears not see mine, yet I didn't write chess to my post to @GoodAttention due to this it shows I need to communicate all over again. So I did. However after this I chosen to start a thread myself on the topic that @GoodAttention shown.

Here's my attempt now to only write 600 BCE using AI only

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The primary archaeological and historical evidence for the early history of the Jews before 600 BCE comes from the Hebrew Bible, alongside supporting evidence from cuneiform tablets found in Mesopotamia, particularly the "Al-Yahudu" tablets, which document a Jewish community living near Babylon, and the Elephantine papyri from Egypt, detailing the lives of a Jewish community in southern Egypt during the 5th century BCE; these sources provide details about their settlements, social structures, and religious practices, including names with the divine element "Yah" indicating worship of Yahweh.


Key points about the evidence:

• Biblical Accounts:
  The Hebrew Bible narrates the story of the Hebrew patriarchs, the Exodus from Egypt, the conquest of Canaan, and the establishment of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, providing a foundational narrative for Jewish history.
  
  
  
• Mesopotamian Cuneiform Tablets:
  • "Al-Yahudu" tablets: These tablets, found in ancient Babylon, mention a community called "Judahtown" and include personal names with the "Yahu" element, indicating a Jewish presence in the region.
    
    
    
  • Murashu tablets: Another set of cuneiform tablets from Mesopotamia, also offering insights into Jewish life in the area.
• Egyptian Papyri:
  • Elephantine Papyri: These documents from a Jewish community in Elephantine, Egypt, provide details about their religious practices, including the worship of Yahweh and the existence of a temple dedicated to him.
• Archaeological Sites in Israel:
  • Hilltop settlements: Excavations in the highlands of Israel have revealed remains of small, fortified villages believed to be Israelite settlements, often with distinctive pottery styles.
    
    
    
  • Siloam Tunnel: A large water tunnel in Jerusalem, considered a significant engineering feat, demonstrates the organizational capabilities of the ancient Israelite society.

Challenges in Interpretation:

• Biblical Accuracy:
  Scholars debate the historical accuracy of certain biblical stories, particularly regarding large-scale military campaigns and population movements.
• Distinguishing Israelite Culture:
  Identifying unique cultural markers that definitively separate Israelites from other Canaanite groups within the region remains a challenge for archaeologists.

Overall, while there are complexities in interpreting the archaeological and historical evidence, the combination of biblical texts, Mesopotamian cuneiform tablets, and Egyptian papyri provide a substantial understanding of the early Jewish people and their origins before 600 BCE

You posted about chess first in post #261 I apologize for responding to a clearly off topic post.
Nonetheless lets get back on topic.

The archaeological and historical evidence of the early history of the Jews before 600 BCE.​

 

[shunyadragon]

Research on the Genetic history of the Hebrews demonstrates their ancient origins and lineage befor 600 BCE.

Genetic studies of Jews - Wikipedia

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Genetic studies of Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze the ancestry of Jewish populations, complementing research in other fields such as history, linguistics, archaeology, and paleontology. These studies investigate the origins of various Jewish ethnic divisions. In particular, they examine whether there is a common genetic heritage among them. The medical genetics of Jews are studied for population-specific diseases.

Studies on Jewish populations have been principally conducted using three types of genealogical DNA tests: autosomal (atDNA), mitochondrial (mtDNA), and Y-chromosome (Y-DNA). atDNA tests, which look at the entire DNA mixture, show that Jewish populations have tended to form genetic isolates – relatively closely related groups in independent communities with most in a community sharing significant ancestry – with Ashkenazi Jews forming the largest such group.[1] mtDNA and Y-DNA tests look at maternal and paternal ancestry respectively, via two small groups of genes transmitted only via female or male ancestors.[2]

Studies on the genetic composition of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jewish populations of the Jewish diaspora show significant amounts of shared Middle Eastern ancestry,[3][4] and several Jewish groups show genetic proximity to Arabs.[5][6] Jews living in the North African, Italian, and Iberian regions show variable frequencies of genetic overlap with the historical non-Jewish population along the maternal lines. In the case of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews (in particular Moroccan Jews), who are closely related, the source of non-Jewish genes is mainly southern European. Some researchers have remarked on an especially close relationship between Ashkenazi Jews and modern Italians, and other southern European populations including Cypriots.[7][8][9] Bene Israel and the Cochin Jews of India, and Beta Israel of Ethiopia, may also have ancient Jewish origins.

The bottom line is the Hebrews were not from the Indus Valley,

 

[GoodAttention]

Research on the Genetic history of the Hebrews demonstrates their ancient origins and lineage befor 600 BCE.

Genetic studies of Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Genetic studies of Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze the ancestry of Jewish populations, complementing research in other fields such as history, linguistics, archaeology, and paleontology. These studies investigate the origins of various Jewish ethnic divisions. In particular, they examine whether there is a common genetic heritage among them. The medical genetics of Jews are studied for population-specific diseases.

Studies on Jewish populations have been principally conducted using three types of genealogical DNA tests: autosomal (atDNA), mitochondrial (mtDNA), and Y-chromosome (Y-DNA). atDNA tests, which look at the entire DNA mixture, show that Jewish populations have tended to form genetic isolates – relatively closely related groups in independent communities with most in a community sharing significant ancestry – with Ashkenazi Jews forming the largest such group.[1] mtDNA and Y-DNA tests look at maternal and paternal ancestry respectively, via two small groups of genes transmitted only via female or male ancestors.[2]

Studies on the genetic composition of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jewish populations of the Jewish diaspora show significant amounts of shared Middle Eastern ancestry,[3][4] and several Jewish groups show genetic proximity to Arabs.[5][6] Jews living in the North African, Italian, and Iberian regions show variable frequencies of genetic overlap with the historical non-Jewish population along the maternal lines. In the case of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews (in particular Moroccan Jews), who are closely related, the source of non-Jewish genes is mainly southern European. Some researchers have remarked on an especially close relationship between Ashkenazi Jews and modern Italians, and other southern European populations including Cypriots.[7][8][9] Bene Israel and the Cochin Jews of India, and Beta Israel of Ethiopia, may also have ancient Jewish origins.

It is no surprise the Jewish people hold genetic markers from the areas where they spent the most time over the millennia.

Genetic studies should always be supported by what time periods they are referencing.

The bottom line is the Hebrews were not from the Indus Valley,

I agree, if there is any connection to the Indus Valley then the Hebrews arrived as foreigners and left as foreigners.

The less than 300 years (of the 4.2ky event) and 2-4 generations would not have been significant enough to influence the genetic reality.

The influence of language, on the other hand, should be of more interest.

 

[shunyadragon]

It is no surprise the Jewish people hold genetic markers from the areas where they spent the most time over the millennia.

Genetic studies should always be supported by what time periods they are referencing.




I agree, if there is any connection to the Indus Valley then the Hebrews arrived as foreigners and left as foreigners.

The less than 300 years (of the 4.2ky event) and 2-4 generations would not have been significant enough to influence the genetic reality.

Yes it would influence the genetics of a population, and the problem in this case the language would adopt the language charactoristics of the Indus Valley. The reality is the origin of the languages is much much older than the time frame of the evolution and origin of the Hebrew tribes,

The influence of language, on the other hand, should be of more interest.

The study of the evolution of languages and their origins is a very important part of the study of the relationships and migration of humans across Eurasia.

Next The origin of Indo-European languages and their evolution from the Steppes of Central Southern Asia.

 

[GoodAttention]

Yes it would influence the genetics of a population, and the problem in this case the language would adopt the language charactoristics of the Indus Valley.

Not necessarily.

If taking the time period of Peleg this is under 300 years. The patriarchs could have kept their own language and instead “borrowed” words from those around them.

This is a common throughout history, hence “loan words”.

The reality is the origin of the languages is much much older than the time frame of the evolution and origin of the Hebrew tribes,

The study of the evolution of languages and their origins is a very important part of the study of the relationships and migration of humans across Eurasia.

What timeline are you taking about?

I believe the 4.2ky event period to also be pertinent.

Next The origin of Indo-European languages and their evolution from the Steppes of Central Southern Asia.

Should be a separate thread

 

[shunyadragon]

Not necessarily.

If taking the time period of Peleg this is under 300 years. The patriarchs could have kept their own language and instead “borrowed” words from those around them.

There is so little weak evidence to support the claim of the Hebrews migrating from the Indus that it fails miserably by the weight of genetic relationship in the Levant and immediate regions, including the archeological and historical relationships of the Hebrews to the Canaanites and Egyptians.

This is a common throughout history, hence “loan words”.

The proposition of borrowed works much better among the immediate region around the Levant. The similarity in words is explained better in the early origin and migration of languages

Should be a separate thread

It is relevant here, because of the claim of the similarity in words is part of the justification of the Hebrews migrating from the Indus Valley, which is based on very very weak anecdotal claims. The similarity in the languages is better explained by the migration of language from source region.

 

[GoodAttention]

There is so little weak evidence to support the claim of the Hebrews migrating from the Indus that it fails miserably by the weight of genetic relationship in the Levant and immediate regions, including the archeological and historical relationships of the Hebrews to the Canaanites and Egyptians.

I fear you are not understanding my theory.
Patriarchs started in Northern Mesopotamia then moved eastward, remained "foreigners", then Abram was called out.
I am following where the Genesis story is taking me, correlated with historical events such as the 4.2ky event, and a yet to be argued interpretation of Peleg "when the Earth was divided" being a description of this.

There would be no genetic trail, and minimal archaeological evidence to consider. The only consideration is language.

The proposition of borrowed works much better among the immediate region around the Levant. The similarity in words is explained better in the early origin and migration of languages.

Language is one part. When one reads the Genesis story and this "foreign" land, there are many clues other than language for the culture being eastern.

(1) The prominence of matriarchs, and the respect given to Rebekkah when she is given away (permission sought from her)
(2) The making of idols by Terah (suggesting a population large enough)
(3) The use of a gold nose ring and bracelets as dowry (what culture do you think of immediately)
(3) The fact that people were moving from west to east second to the 4.2ky event

The peoples of the IVC did not migrate, just as the Egyptians didn't. People come to large civilizations to live and learn, not the other way around.

It is relevant here, because of the claim of the similarity in words is part of the justification of the Hebrews migrating from the Indus Valley, which is based on very very weak anecdotal claims. The similarity in the languages is better explained by the migration of language from source region.

If you want to consider migrations, then you need to consider the 4.2ky event and the movement of peoples at the time.
Whether I come to your house or you come to mine the result is the same if we are together long enough.

 

[River Sea]

@GoodAttention
First time hearing this song, so who is Alice?

As she's thinking Ishar was female when Ishar was male, and she never corrected this error?

So who is Alice Linsley—overly out of control from her projects that she couldn't see these errors to correct?

Which brings me to wonder, how did ancient people organize genealogy way back when? How?


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@GoodAttention you taken this discussion away from me, which is to take a look at Alice Linsley mistake