The Art of War

[s13ep]

I have ten years of social warring under my belt, and therefore I'm an experienced debater and judge. My true belief is that Earth should be preserved and sanctified by any means.

I have recently read the Art of War by Sun Tzu. It has influenced me to search for wise warrior-types; that does not include commoners or philosophers, but the hard to come by soldier-types.

Perhaps this search will fail under Heaven, but, I will continue militant environmental action- even by deception and wrathfulness- by any means.

My advantage is that the enemy does not know Heaven; I can say this plainly in front of the enemy and he is still unaware it's his weakness. I'm well prepared for attacks against me, and for attacks against the enemy; referring to debate- the warring duets of the social realm. There is then the grand war, that in time, I hope to be a part of- those who wish natures demise, versus, those who wish natures eternity.

If you consider yourself to be a warrior-type, who lives for nothing more than war, or in the social realm, debate- then it would be in your interests to bestow your trusts upon me as your wise warlord.

This thread is a discussion thread for the Art of War, Sun Tzu, and also a thread for warrior-types to join in arms. You may also ask me any questions as the resident warlord who created this thread.

- Shan Green

 

[Twilight Hue]

What are your thoughts on The book of 5 rings in conjunction with the art of war?

 

[Corthos]

I actually loved the book of 5 rings... Very cool slice of history. XD

 

[s13ep]

I think I may have read part of it earlier, before I skipped ahead.

I haven't read the whole book yet but most of it relates to my own endeavours.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I actually loved the book of 5 rings... Very cool slice of history. XD

It is.

I'm not a very brave man and it's helped immensely in coping with real life adversary and conflict. :0)

 

[Corthos]

It is.

I'm not a very brave man and it's helped immensely in coping with real life adversary and conflict. :0)

From what I understand, some Japanese businesses require their workers to read the book... It really is inspirational, and it's small, so why not? =)

 

[Ingledsva]

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My advantage is that the enemy does not know Heaven; I can say this plainly in front of the enemy and he is still unaware it's his weakness. I'm well prepared for attacks against me, and for attacks against the enemy; referring to debate- the warring duets of the social realm. There is then the grand war, that in time, I hope to be a part of- those who wish natures demise, versus, those who wish natures eternity.

If you consider yourself to be a warrior-type, who lives for nothing more than war, or in the social realm, debate- then it would be in your interests to bestow your trusts upon me as your wise warlord.

This thread is a discussion thread for the Art of War, Sun Tzu, and also a thread for warrior-types to join in arms. You may also ask me any questions as the resident warlord who created this thread.

- Shan Green

Why in the world would we want to do that?

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[Wu Wei]

I have ten years of social warring under my belt, and therefore I'm an experienced debater and judge. My true belief is that Earth should be preserved and sanctified by any means.

I have recently read the Art of War by Sun Tzu. It has influenced me to search for wise warrior-types; that does not include commoners or philosophers, but the hard to come by soldier-types.

Perhaps this search will fail under Heaven, but, I will continue militant environmental action- even by deception and wrathfulness- by any means.

My advantage is that the enemy does not know Heaven; I can say this plainly in front of the enemy and he is still unaware it's his weakness. I'm well prepared for attacks against me, and for attacks against the enemy; referring to debate- the warring duets of the social realm. There is then the grand war, that in time, I hope to be a part of- those who wish natures demise, versus, those who wish natures eternity.

If you consider yourself to be a warrior-type, who lives for nothing more than war, or in the social realm, debate- then it would be in your interests to bestow your trusts upon me as your wise warlord.

This thread is a discussion thread for the Art of War, Sun Tzu, and also a thread for warrior-types to join in arms. You may also ask me any questions as the resident warlord who created this thread.

- Shan Green

However by stating exactly what you are going to do, singing about your superiority and downplaying and likely understimating your opponents...you have entirely missed the point of Sun Zi Bing Fa Yu San Shi Liu Ji (Sun Tzu's the Art of War and the Thirty-six Stratagems)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have recently read the Art of War by Sun Tzu. It has influenced me to search for wise warrior-types; that does not include commoners or philosophers, but the hard to come by soldier-types.

Sun Tzu, according to his writings, was every bit a warrior as he was a philosopher, which would have been common for someone of his status.

Perhaps this search will fail under Heaven, but, I will continue militant environmental action- even by deception and wrathfulness- by any means.

You should probably reread his book, because you really missed some key points. If you're serious, your advantage would have not said such a thing online.
A true warrior knows when to fight and when not to fight, and the art of war is to win at fighting without fighting. You automatically fail once you fight, so you must have the discipline, tactical knowledge, and the ability to form a strategy based on knowing your enemy, with every angle considered, and one that will ideally swiftly and easily secure victory. Yes, Sun Tzu said all of war is based on deceit, but he also very big into espionage, intelligence gathering, and destroying a group from within. Those are not things deep ecologist extremist are good at doing. You might as well just give up know. Save yourself the jail time if you are serious.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My advantage is that the enemy does not know Heaven; I can say this plainly in front of the enemy and he is still unaware it's his weakness.

Your "enemy" often hires private security firms who do tend to have at least a decent knowledge of the immediate location of this Heaven. It's not like this is a battle that takes place in a forest.

I'm well prepared for attacks against me, and for attacks against the enemy

I am certain I would find may wholes in your strategy.

then it would be in your interests to bestow your trusts upon me as your wise warlord.

Why? You are not wise. You can't fight when your actions get you watched and thrown in jail. You environmental and animal rights extremists fail to miss a very important lesson of Sun Tzu's, which is to win by infiltrating the enemy. Blowing up a research lab and recording in factory farms may win a few small battles, but to win the war you don't set off bombs, you go to college, you get a degree, and you work to change it from within. Why train your own soldiers to set off bombs when you can recruit the enemy from within? There is a reason why those working close to the king are so often the untold shadows directing history.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A way to look at it is the change in heart in regards to same-sex marriage in America. More homosexuals outed themselves, which lead to many politicians having more direct experiences with homosexuals, which set off a domino effect that has now reached the legalization of same-sex marriage in all 50 states, but it isn't necessarily "safe" at this point in time, especially during an election year with an extremely uncooperative senate. The Supreme Court rarely goes back on a decision, but they have, and we are seeing many things that we just haven't seen before, such as a media-frenzied hyper-partisan government that is found at the smallest of state levels all the up to the federal level. It is possible that if Obama doesn't get someone appointed and if a republic wins the election and appoints a conservative to the bench, we may see an effort to strike down the ruling.

 

[s13ep]

A way to look at it is the change in heart in regards to same-sex marriage in America. More homosexuals outed themselves, which lead to many politicians having more direct experiences with homosexuals, which set off a domino effect that has now reached the legalization of same-sex marriage in all 50 states, but it isn't necessarily "safe" at this point in time, especially during an election year with an extremely uncooperative senate. The Supreme Court rarely goes back on a decision, but they have, and we are seeing many things that we just haven't seen before, such as a media-frenzied hyper-partisan government that is found at the smallest of state levels all the up to the federal level. It is possible that if Obama doesn't get someone appointed and if a republic wins the election and appoints a conservative to the bench, we may see an effort to strike down the ruling.

This whole speech of yours is dismissed by the fact I said the war was, initially, debate, and having ten years of experience that I know what types of people I need.

I don't consider Sun Tzu my equal in war, but a person worthy of respect.

 

[s13ep]

Why in the world would we want to do that?

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The world.
The correct collective term for yourself is "I ", especially if you're a warrior-type.

 

[Skwim]

I have ten years of social warring under my belt, and therefore I'm an experienced debater and judge. My true belief is that Earth should be preserved and sanctified by any means.

How does one sanctify the Earth?

 

[s13ep]

It should be in everyone's mind, by way of intelligence or any other means.

How does one sanctify the Earth?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This whole speech of yours is dismissed by the fact I said the war was, initially, debate, and having ten years of experience that I know what types of people I need.

I know what you said. It seems extremely unlikely. If you were wise, and knew the people you need, you wouldn't have even emphasized "by any means" because that is hard evidence against you should there even be an investigation into you. And the feds are known for infiltrating animal rights and environmentalist extremist groups. When someone says "by any means," they just don't mean debating. Not unless they fail to grasp the full meaning of the word, and no wise general will fall back on such a plan, because there is no justification in winning a battle if it causes the kingdom to fall. By any means is wild and desperate, easily provoked, easily manipulated, and though not easily extinguished, it is easy to socially marginalize.
If "by any means" is your strategy, you have no strategy. If your goal to win is to win by any means, how will you even know when you have achieved victory if you don't even have clear and defined goals?
And gauging by your other posts here, you will not have many allies, though they will be dedicated, they will be few, and your views will always be too marginalized to cause any significant or meaningful change. But, then again, the more allies you have, the more enemies you have.
What is this grand war? Who will fight it? And who do you "fight?" What battles have you waged? On what topics do you debate.
Being militant is just not the wise way to go about preserving the environment. It's people like you who give other environmentalists a bad name. And it's not even the hypocritical bad image, it's the bad image of thinking your acts of violence have any significance. You'd rather resort to sabotage, something that may only stop one event, rather than working to take over from within, which is the only real way of causing any significant change. Making bombs is easy. Being a charismatic and persuasive person who did well in school and is well respected is not. And the harder route is the only real way to stop our enemy. An oil company executive is going to drill by any means necessary, that is unless there is someone behind the scenes working towards necessary adjustments to introduce obstacles to drill. A bomb may delay it, but someone who has infiltrated the government can work towards preventing it. The pen of Teddy Roosevelt saved much more of the earth than the bombs of any militant movements ever will combined.

 

[s13ep]

"By any means" is referring to social warring; "militant environmental action", referring to the activity of debate in the social realm, that, I hope, escalates further lawfully.

Through the social realm, we, or I, can gain immunity, to conquer even the 'grander war' that I mentioned.

I know what you said. It seems extremely unlikely. If you were wise, and knew the people you need, you wouldn't have even emphasized "by any means" because that is hard evidence against you should there even be an investigation into you. And the feds are known for infiltrating animal rights and environmentalist extremist groups. When someone says "by any means," they just don't mean debating. Not unless they fail to grasp the full meaning of the word, and no wise general will fall back on such a plan, because there is no justification in winning a battle if it causes the kingdom to fall. By any means is wild and desperate, easily provoked, easily manipulated, and though not easily extinguished, it is easy to socially marginalize.
If "by any means" is your strategy, you have no strategy. If your goal to win is to win by any means, how will you even know when you have achieved victory if you don't even have clear and defined goals?
And gauging by your other posts here, you will not have many allies, though they will be dedicated, they will be few, and your views will always be too marginalized to cause any significant or meaningful change. But, then again, the more allies you have, the more enemies you have.
What is this grand war? Who will fight it? And who do you "fight?" What battles have you waged? On what topics do you debate.
Being militant is just not the wise way to go about preserving the environment. It's people like you who give other environmentalists a bad name. And it's not even the hypocritical bad image, it's the bad image of thinking your acts of violence have any significance. You'd rather resort to sabotage, something that may only stop one event, rather than working to take over from within, which is the only real way of causing any significant change. Making bombs is easy. Being a charismatic and persuasive person who did well in school and is well respected is not. And the harder route is the only real way to stop our enemy. An oil company executive is going to drill by any means necessary, that is unless there is someone behind the scenes working towards necessary adjustments to introduce obstacles to drill. A bomb may delay it, but someone who has infiltrated the government can work towards preventing it. The pen of Teddy Roosevelt saved much more of the earth than the bombs of any militant movements ever will combined.

 

[Jumi]

It's a good book with many levels that are not all that obvious to casual readers.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Suntzu was old nick I used in AnA ,I earned the right to have the nik, draw them in and hold with decisive counter , buy every second then steam roll , sometimes would look like I was loosing , was just saving my best for the right time , the counter would push them home was crushing defeat .
Overplayed that game if you know what I mean.
That was battlefield tactic , not art of all war , judge each enemy without commiting to early .
Art of war could be espionage & sabotage depend on situations .
War best avoided is true art of war , to compromise if can be done.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

How many millions have I slaughtered online human icons countless millions , all in good spirit for the greater good , war on seven fronts real opponents and still we love the president day in all my cities .