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The assumptions behind evolution?

AllanV

Active Member
Fantastic, show it to me.

In today's world anything for a bit of entertainment. But this is real and care must be taken.

The mind is a fragile place and what is already there will not leave easily. You will not be ready for that and you will not know what to expect. There is some fear involved. There is a new frontier of experience that cannot be comprehended in the natural predatory mind and you will not be able to explain it to others.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
In today's world anything for a bit of entertainment. But this is real and care must be taken.

The mind is a fragile place and what is already there will not leave easily. You will not be ready for that and you will not know what to expect. There is some fear involved. There is a new frontier of experience that cannot be comprehended in the natural predatory mind and you will not be able to explain it to others.
I was raised a believer, try again.
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
In today's world anything for a bit of entertainment. But this is real and care must be taken.

The mind is a fragile place and what is already there will not leave easily. You will not be ready for that and you will not know what to expect. There is some fear involved. There is a new frontier of experience that cannot be comprehended in the natural predatory mind and you will not be able to explain it to others.

"Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"
FDR
 

Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member
I have already said this is not my area of expertise if I still have any. Why are you asking me. There are scientists who are qualified but wouldn't bother coming on this forum, they have better things to do.
There are scientists who are expert in what they do and they are willing to take a risk by stating what their research shows. They understand this and are taking a view that it would be better to place all the facts, the evidence on the table and discuss it without name calling and ridicule from the atheistic establishment.
According to pew 51% of scientist are theist of some kind or another. Yet they still support the scientific findings.

What you mean to say when you say "atheistic establishment" is "Empirical basis for evidence". Because if we are only allowed to make assumptions based on what we observe and our theories then obviously its going to be different than what the bible says. As you have said its not your area of expertise so I will give you a single slide on it. But just to inform you there are not scientists that are holding onto research that is counter to this that have done it properly.

why? Because its not taboo to bring up controversial items. Its very good for the scientific community even. However the people that have taken the extra step to base their research on the bible or the Koran or any other religious text or faith and do so intentionally are not going to be respected. There was a huge list of "scientists" that supported ID listed one time in a thread and a few people picked some at random and found out that they all of them received their degrees from unaccredited universities based on creationism.
 

Parsimony

Well-Known Member
Are you trying to keep me busy.

that from which knowledge and data can be derived.
By that definition, all mutations create new information because knowledge and data can be derived from them. I even see you admit in a later post that positive mutations exist. Mutations which give organisms new traits and abilities have in fact been verified (AZT-resistance in HIV, the nylonases, aerobic citrate metabolism in E.coli, the cecal valve in Italian wall lizards). Actually, any time that a microbe becomes resistant to a drug, positive mutations are the reason for it.

You also say that there is an overall decline in genetics over time. Can you provide a scientific study which demonstrates this?
Some say atheism and evolution is really about eugenics.
I don't know where you learned that from, but eugenics is not at the heart of either of those things.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
The assumption is there is no God, but no one actually knows or can say where God is. I have the experience but it is difficult to grasp therefore every one has a different idea.
I don't make such assumption.

The only assumption I make is that if there is a God, I'm not the one who should dictate how God did it. And an ancient writing by another human should not be either. The witness we should go to to find the testimony of how God did it is Nature. Nature us the one and only witness to how Nature was made. Not Moses.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Are you saying mutations are the gaining of information. That is not true. Where is your evidence to be able to say it is?

Mutations are an altering of information that feeds into genetic variance, and that is covered even in a high school biology class.

Are you saying the mind is outside the body?

How in the world did you get that out of what I wrote?

Entropy is active in the human genetic code and the human species is at the end of its existence. There is evidence in behavior and invention that suggests the destructive processes in the cells is being played out in mankind's reality.

And what did I say? :rolleyes:

Human mythology brings evolution and scientific evidence is adjusted.
You're simply fabricating stories and making assumptions not based on either science nor reality. Instead of using objectively-derived information, you instead rely on a nonsensical interpretation of the creation accounts.

But I can relate to this because I was brought up in a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught the same distortions that obviously you have also been brainwashed to believe. Fortunately, I came to realize this, eventually got a graduate degree in anthropology, and taught the subject for about 30 years.

As long as you do not actually do the research, you will just continue to wallow in ignorance on the subject.
 
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