firedragon
Veteran Member
Why am I not surprised that you will refer to someone who contradicts mainstream Muslim thought as 'fringe'?
Let's examine some of the commentators mentioned:
1/ Mahmoud Ayoub
Mahmoud M. Ayoub is a Lebanese scholar and professor of religious and inter-faith studies.
Mahmoud M. Ayoub - Wikipedia
Looks legitimate.
2/ Muhammad Rashid Rida
Muhammad Rashid Rida (Arabic: محمد رشيد رضا, romanized: Muḥammad Rashīd Riḍā; 23 September 1865[1] or 18 October 1865[2] – 22 August 1935)[2] was a prominent Islamic reformer and revivalist. Rida is said to have been one of the most influential and controversial scholars of his generation[7] and was influenced by the movement for Islamic Modernism founded in Egypt by Muhammad Abduh
Rashid Rida - Wikipedia
Looks legitimate.
3/ Al-Masúdi
Al-Mas'udi (Arabic: أَبُو ٱلْحَسَن عَلِيّ ٱبْن ٱلْحُسَيْن ٱبْن عَلِيّ ٱلْمَسْعُودِيّ, ʾAbū al-Ḥasan ʿAlī ibn al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAlī al-Masʿūdī; c. 896–956) was an Arab historian, geographer and traveler. He is sometimes referred to as the "Herodotus of the Arabs".[1][2] A polymath and prolific author of over twenty works on theology, history (Islamic and universal), geography, natural science and philosophy, his celebrated magnum opus Murūj al-Dhahab wa-Ma'ādin al-Jawhar (Arabic: مُرُوج ٱلذَّهَب وَمَعَادِن ٱلْجَوْهَر), combines universal history with scientific geography, social commentary and biography, and is published in English in a multi-volume series as The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems.[3]
Al-Masudi - Wikipedia
Looks legitimate.
I could continue but the point is clear. There are well known Muslim commentators who believed Jesus was crucified. The fact that conservative Muslims such as yourself view them as fringe and with disdain is irrelevant to me.
Quran 4:157 is as clear to you as it is to me. We just view it differently.
Thanks for the cut and pastes that's already read online. Of course, you did not answer a single thing I asked.
Tell me some things specifically.
Each of these so called "commentators" which you said without a clue, can you tell me
1. Why you agree with them so wholeheartedly.
2. What is their exegesis, what did they exactly say, and what sources do they use?
3. Do you agree with them in all aspects or just this one thing? Why do you reject everything else if you do, or why do you agree?
Lets get to the specifics now.
Thanks.