The best way to refute the Flat Earth

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The best way to refute the flat earth once and for all is to wander straight through the Antarctica. If the flat-Earthers see that there is no Invisible Wall ("firmament") at the end of the world, then it would be the end of this theory. It would be an irrefutable proof and they would see this proof with their own eyes.

How about letting flat-Earthers wander through the Antarctica while streaming this live to the whole world? Would you agree? But unfortunately it seems that it is not allowed. Maybe a petition would help?

The simplest refutation of the "flat earth" theory is simple logic. How can it be flat when we all know it's hollow? Simple common sense.

 

[ecco]

How about letting flat-Earthers wander through the Antarctica while streaming this live to the whole world?

What do you mean "wander through"? On the flat earth, when you get near the "edge" your instruments begin to not work correctly and you are turned around and walk back to the middle.

One can also circumnavigate the globe, not possible if it's flat.

One can circumnavigate on a frisbee.

One can see from space that the earth is essentially spherical.

A frisbee seen flat on in the distance looks exactly the same as a basketball seen from a distance.

Or you could just let them take a plane ride at 70,000 feet where the curvature of the Earth can be seen.

That's exactly what you would see if the shape is a circle instead of a sphere.

 

[izzy88]

The best way to refute the flat earth once and for all is to wander straight through the Antarctica. If the flat-Earthers see that there is no Invisible Wall ("firmament") at the end of the world, then it would be the end of this theory. It would be an irrefutable proof and they would see this proof with their own eyes.

How about letting flat-Earthers wander through the Antarctica while streaming this live to the whole world? Would you agree? But unfortunately it seems that it is not allowed. Maybe a petition would help?

What does this have to do with religion?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Guys, please inform yourself how exactly the Flat Earth theory is constructed, it seems that there are some who have a wrong idea about it.

Unfortunately I don't think the theory is very grounded anyway to be discussing "exactly how the Flat Earth theory is constructed." There is no such exactitude to be had.

I once read an "official" Flat Earth information site where they excused the fact that sun-up would mean daylight for EVERYONE on a flat Earth (and sun-down meaning night for EVERYONE also) by appealing to a "perspective effect." The words "Perspective effect" were a link to a page that showed a few ridiculous images that didn't explain anything at all. In other words... they had nothing except a hand-wave and the words "perspective effect" to combat one of the most obvious flaws in their "theory."

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

One can circumnavigate on a frisbee.

One huge problem with this idea is the fact that the outer-most circumference of the frisbee becomes quite a great distance as compared to rings toward the center of the disc. To the point that attempting to circumnavigate a "ring" around Antarctica should take an extremely long time, and cover a huge amount of distance if it is the outer edge. But that isn't, at all, what happens. Planes fly around in just about the same amount of time (and distance) that it takes to travel similar rings around the northern half of the globe.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

One can also circumnavigate the globe, not possible if it's flat.

One can circumnavigate on a frisbee.

Okay. One can circumnavigate a sphere going straight ahead without falling off, but not a disc. That fact should tell you that you are not on a flat surface.

Also, with a disc, an edge would eventually be visible if one traveled along a radius.

One can see from space that the earth is essentially spherical.

A frisbee seen flat on in the distance looks exactly the same as a basketball seen from a distance.

Not to me. I can always distinguish them, even if the Frisbee said Spaulding or Voit on it.

And of course, they only both look round if the flat surface has a circular perimeter and is seen from a special perspective.

How do you orbit (or partially orbit) a flat or spherical surface without seeing that it is flat or spherical?

 

[Agent]

You can see the flashing lights of radio towers on the interstate before you see the towers due to the horizon. Sailors used to get on top of the masts to spot land since they could see land from the top of the mast before they could see it from the deck. This is due to the curvature of the earth which is barely noticeable from the surface of the earth.

 

[Tazarah]

I was actually doing some research on the flat earth theory not too long ago and came across some interesting photos. Can anybody explain any of these?

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[Tazarah]

I was actually doing some research on the flat earth theory not too long ago and came across some interesting photos. Can anybody explain any of these?

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In my opinion, this illustration alone is pretty damning evidence against the globe model.

Cape Town (South Africa) is only one hour behind London, UK. Everybody knows that the sun is directly overhead at noon, and at 1 PM the sun is still overhead for the most part. So when it's 12 noon in London, UK, it's only 1 PM In Cape Town, South Africa -- meaning that the sun can be seen directly overhead in both locations. How can this be when one location is at the "top" of the earth and the other location is at the "bottom" of the earth?

 

[rational experiences]

We are a water based bio life consciousness.

The story about God said that God was created on the face of the deep in water.

When you communicate to UFO satellites that stole the Earth gases and water sealed it shut and it was sucked back out into space. Natural history was when Earth satellites were caused....as feed back in space.

A vibrating water droplet is not seen with the naked eye as having the presence of the Holy star....if humans knew that it existed in that format I bet that they would not allow you to do any form of converting science....as the HOLY star that our life owns and is supported by.
image vibrating water droplet - Bing images

Communication by satellite owns further out of space transmitted feed back.

Proving the state of curvature in a water existence.

Clouds are a burnt reaction that gives the flat plane...as it is burnt.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

In my opinion, this illustration alone is pretty damning evidence against the globe model.

Cape Town (South Africa) is only one hour behind London, UK. Everybody knows that the sun is directly overhead at noon, and at 1 PM the sun is still overhead for the most part. So when it's 12 noon in London, UK, it's only 1 PM In Cape Town, South Africa -- meaning that the sun can be seen directly overhead in both locations. How can this be when one location is at the "top" of the earth and the other location is at the "bottom" of the earth?

Your picture doesn't work because it draws the sun way way way wya way way way.........(gazillions of ways later) way to close to the earth. AND way too SMALL. If you had things in proportion, it would make obvious sense.

 

[Tazarah]

Your picture doesn't work because it draws the sun way way way wya way way way.........(gazillions of ways later) way to close to the earth. AND way too SMALL. If you had things in proportion, it would make obvious sense.

The point I'm making is that two completely opposite locations on the earth (the top of the earth and the bottom of the earth) can both see the sun directly overhead at the same time. This should not be the case, regardless of how far away the sun supposedly is.

 

[oldbadger]

There are many refutations, but the simplest and the most irrefutable reason against the Flat Earth theory is that ship disappear from the bottom over the horizon, clear indicator of the roundness of Earth. Check it out:

How is showing a sinking schooner going to prove the Earth is round?
Course the Earth is flat.
You've been indictricul.... in indutotin. ........ ummm..... indoctrinated. Yeah.

 

[Tazarah]

Both are faith-based delusions and, thus, impervious to evidence. Both use misleading, cherry-picked, unfounded and outright false evidence, plus illogical interpretations, to argue their beliefs. (see post # 28.)

Please explain? Half of the images in that post use exact measurements/numbers that have been presented by the theory of the globe earth and heliocentric model. Looking forward to your response

 

[oldbadger]

Both are faith-based delusions and, thus, impervious to evidence. Both use misleading, cherry-picked, unfounded and outright false evidence, plus illogical interpretations, to argue their beliefs. (see post # 28.)

I made a silly post in fun (above) but I've just realised that some posts actually do support flat Earth...... that is such a shock to me.

But I can beat 'em..... yeah!
Thing is, if the Earf is so flippin' flat, how cum I needs an electric bike..... yeah?

 

[exchemist]

The point I'm making is that two completely opposite locations on the earth (the top of the earth and the bottom of the earth) can both see the sun directly overhead at the same time. This should not be the case, regardless of how far away the sun supposedly is.

You see nothing of the kind, at either location.

What you see is that the sun is at its zenith, the highest point in the sky it reaches during the day, at noon (or at 1300 if London is on BST rather than GMT). It is not overhead.

In London, the sun is at its zenith when it is due South. In Capetown, it is at its zenith when it is due North. The reason is because London is to the North of the equator and Capetown is to the South.

The only places on earth where the sun is ever actually overhead at noon are within the Tropics.

 

[Valjean]

Even on the equator, the sun is exactly 90% overhead only in one place at a time.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

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As @exchemist noted, because London is north of the Tropic of Cancer and Capetown south of the Tropic of Capricorn, the sun is never directly overhead in either place at any tie, that is, a vertical pole will always cast a shadow.

"The Tropic of Cancer, which is also referred to as the Northern Tropic, is the most northerly circle of latitude on Earth at which the Sun can be directly overhead. This occurs on the June solstice, when the Northern Hemisphere is tilted toward the Sun to its maximum extent."

Read about the famous experiment the ancient Greek Eratosthenes performed to estimate the size of the earth. When the sun was directly overhead in Syene, it cast no shadow (and illuminated a well), whereas in Alexandria at the same time, about 500 miles away. it did cast a shadow. Trigonometry allows one to determine the angle called alpha below, and from that, the approximate dimensions of the earth.

Do you think that that would be possible on a flat earth?

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The top picture is not from 100,000 feet. That's approximately how the earth looks from the International Space Station, and I'll bet that that is where it was shot from. This is about 250 miles up.

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This is incoherent. Heliocentrism does not suggest that objects orbiting the sun are in unison, whatever that means. They mostly travel in the same plane and in the same direction, but the planes of the orbits aren't the same just as the plane of the moons orbit is not the same as the plane of the earths orbit around the sun, the shapes of the orbits have varying eccentricity, and the velocity of planetary orbits vary from one another, which is why earth and mars are at times on the same side of the sun making mars larger and brighter than when the two are on opposite sides of the sun.

Nothing about the velocity of the ISS tells us that the earth is flat.

Cape Town (South Africa) is only one hour behind London, UK. Everybody knows that the sun is directly overhead at noon, and at 1 PM the sun is still overhead for the most part. So when it's 12 noon in London, UK, it's only 1 PM In Cape Town, South Africa -- meaning that the sun can be seen directly overhead in both locations. How can this be when one location is at the "top" of the earth and the other location is at the "bottom" of the earth?

No, not everybody thinks that the sun is directly overhead at noon.

Nor do they think that it is directly overhead in either of those places ever, much less simultaneously

I believe Cape Town (GMT + 2) is TWO hours AHEAD of London (GMC + 0), although during the summer, I believe only London observes daylight savings time (BST = British Summer Time = GMC + 1), at which time the clocks might be an hour apart, but what clocks show has nothing to do with the location of the sun in the two places at the same time. The sun still rises 120 minutes earlier in one than the other.

The point I'm making is that two completely opposite locations on the earth (the top of the earth and the bottom of the earth) can both see the sun directly overhead at the same time. This should not be the case, regardless of how far away the sun supposedly is.

It's not the case.

Perhaps you need to be a bit more careful about your information sources.

 

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[Agent]

Magellen circumnavigated the globe in 1520, and Sir Francis Drake duplicated the feat a century later. He discovered Australia for England on the way.