The best way to refute the Flat Earth

[exchemist]

No. Not "I'm not entirely sure". What you really mean is that you don't have a clue. What you mean is that you have no idea whether or not the photo is a complete fake. From 40 miles across Lake Michigan, you do not see what your doctored photo purportedly shows.


Why should I look at three more when you can't explain your first one?

I think he knows damn well it was taken from those dunes on the other side of the lake. These pictures are fairly famous. I exposed this at length in post 63, including a link to a detailed article on it all.

 

[ecco]

How am I gish galloping? Like you said, I asked for anybody to explain any of the photos that they felt like. I'm not demanding that they all be explained, I merely pointed out the fact that it's strange how the user chose to only deal with the photos that did not include exact measurements and numbers. On top of that, I've made it clear that I do not support nor reject the flat earth theory.

You don't reject the flat earth theory?!

I guess you really are serious when you post a bunch of pics that are either complete frauds or do not show what you what to believe they show.

Thank you for making my day. I never thought I would have the opportunity to actually have a discussion with a flat-earther.

 

[Skwim]

How do you feel about this one?

So it obviously can't be flat, which was my point

Yeah. I got that.

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[Tazarah]

I thought it was pretty clear, but OK.

Show us a photo from a non elevated vantage point

One of those photos is from a non-elevated vantage point. The one with Fort Myers Beach and Naples.

 

[Tazarah]

No. Not "I'm not entirely sure". What you really mean is that you don't have a clue. What you mean is that you have no idea whether or not the photo is a complete fake. From 40 miles across Lake Michigan, you do not see what your doctored photo purportedly shows.


Why should I look at three more when you can't explain your first one?

Um, like I said -- I don't subscribe to the flat earth theory, so the fact that I don't know anything about the authenticity of the photo is not completely unbelievable. If it's fake then just say that and let's move on. It isn't that serious dude. I simply came across those photos on the internet when doing some research. I've already stated this several times. I've actually posted 3 more photos that are not "doctored" which I also found. If you aren't interested in explaining them then just say that instead of making a big deal about everything. Like I said, it's not that serious.

 

[Tazarah]

You don't reject the flat earth theory?!

I guess you really are serious when you post a bunch of pics that are either complete frauds or do not show what you what to believe they show.

Thank you for making my day. I never thought I would have the opportunity to actually have a discussion with a flat-earther.

My first post in this thread (#28) says:

I was actually doing some research on the flat earth theory not too long ago and came across some interesting photos. Can anybody explain any of these?

It's funny how defensive you guys become over a simple photo and some measurements that challenge your beliefs. I've made it clear numerous times that I do not support the flat earth theory, I simply posted a few photos and asked what you guys thought about them. Now, I'm a flat earther and a fraud.

You need to go somewhere and calm down, kid. It's not even that serious.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you still don't understand why I claimed that your response didn't make complete sense, then why don't you just refer to posts #36, #38 and #43 to see the difference between the way they explained the picture compared to the way that you did?

Like I said, what you said made sense to you, and that's most likely because you understand your own logic and what you are trying to say.

Why don't YOU explain succinctly what was wrong with my objection to your illustration? You are the one who says it is incomprehensible. So explain yourself.

 

[ecco]

Um, like I said -- I don't subscribe to the flat earth theory,

If memory serves, you said you weren't sure one way or the other. It's the 21st Century. If you aren't sure the earth is a sphere, there is something seriously missing.

If you aren't interested in explaining them then just say that instead of making a big deal about everything.

You've been on this forum for 1 1/2 years. I'm sure you know that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. That's you. You are the one who posted a picture of the Chicago skyline with a comment that it was evidence for flat earth.

 

[ecco]

It's funny how defensive you guys become over a simple photo and some measurements that challenge your beliefs.

When you post Male Bovine Feces and then try to defend it, yeah, you are going to get pushback.

I've made it clear numerous times that I do not support the flat earth theory,

Your posting of pictures supporting a Flat Earth and your comments (see below) tell a different story.

I simply posted a few photos and asked what you guys thought about them.

No. Actually you posted flat earth nonsense and challenged people to find fault with it.

Now, I'm a flat earther and a fraud.

I haven't called you a fraud. I wouldn't be that kind. In this day and age, believing the earth to be flat is worse than being a fraud.

You need to go somewhere and calm down, kid. It's not even that serious.

"Kid"? If you are going to go to name-calling, you really should be able to do better than that.



The following are your comments...

In my opinion, this illustration alone is pretty damning evidence against the globe model.

The point I'm making is that two completely opposite locations on the earth (the top of the earth and the bottom of the earth) can both see the sun directly overhead at the same time. This should not be the case, regardless of how far away the sun supposedly is.

Half of the images in that post use exact measurements/numbers that have been presented by the theory of the globe earth and heliocentric model. Looking forward to your response

It sure sounds like you are a believer.

 

[Shad]

The best way to refute the flat earth once and for all is to wander straight through the Antarctica. If the flat-Earthers see that there is no Invisible Wall ("firmament") at the end of the world, then it would be the end of this theory. It would be an irrefutable proof and they would see this proof with their own eyes.

Buy a plane or boat to circumnavigate the Earth.

How about letting flat-Earthers wander through the Antarctica while streaming this live to the whole world? Would you agree? But unfortunately it seems that it is not allowed. Maybe a petition would help?

Flat-Earthers never test anything such as circumnavigating the Earth. They do not test anything as that would shatter their religion.

 

[Tazarah]

Why don't YOU explain succinctly what was wrong with my objection to your illustration? You are the one who says it is incomprehensible. So explain yourself.

All you said was that in the photo, the sun was "too far away" and that the photo was "out of proportion". You didn't explain anything else and left a lot of room for speculation regarding the point that you were trying to make. It wasn't a clear and concise answer that left no room for doubt or an incorrect interpretation.

 

[Tazarah]

If memory serves, you said you weren't sure one way or the other. It's the 21st Century. If you aren't sure the earth is a sphere, there is something seriously missing.




You've been on this forum for 1 1/2 years. I'm sure you know that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. That's you. You are the one who posted a picture of the Chicago skyline with a comment that it was evidence for flat earth.

I didn't post "evidence" to prove anything. This is a thread dealing with the flat earth theory and all I said was that while researching I came across some interesting photos and wanted to know what other people thought of them. I'm not supporting the flat earth, I just posted some images and asked what other people thought of them. What's so hard about that for you to understand? You're trying to turn this into something that it's not. You had no problem explaining the images that didn't contain calculations but now that I've asked for your thoughts on the images with the calculations and measurements you've gone berserk and and turned completely hostile.

 

[Tazarah]

When you post Male Bovine Feces and then try to defend it, yeah, you are going to get pushback.



Your posting of pictures supporting a Flat Earth and your comments (see below) tell a different story.



No. Actually you posted flat earth nonsense and challenged people to find fault with it.



I haven't called you a fraud. I wouldn't be that kind. In this day and age, believing the earth to be flat is worse than being a fraud.




"Kid"? If you are going to go to name-calling, you really should be able to do better than that.



The following are your comments...

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It sure sounds like you are a believer.

Yes, and the photo/argument that I was speaking about was soon after debunked. I wasn't aware of the scientific explanation that exists for the phenomenon that was being spoken about in the photo.

Which is exactly why I posted the photo in the first place, to get the opinion of others and see if there was a scientific explanation. There's no reason to get upset and start throwing temper tantrums.

At this point, if you aren't going to explain the other photos that I posted then there's really no need for us to continue this conversation. You honestly just seem like one of those people who like to start stupid arguments most likely because you have nothing better to do.

I thought this was a thread dealing with the refutation of the flat earth theory? Forgive me for posting flat earth related material.

 

[Skwim]

I'm not entirely sure, but that's just one of many images where there should be a visible curvature of the earth when there isn't. I will share three more.


According to Google earth the length of the stretch of islands on the horizon (from left to right or right to left) is about 105 miles.

In this first picture we can see Corsica all the way to Isola d'Elba. Again, the distance from one end of the island to the other is about 105 miles.

Next we have this one:

You can't see it because it's nearly imperceptible. Over 43 miles the degree of curvature is about 25 minutes.

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[exchemist]

When you post Male Bovine Feces and then try to defend it, yeah, you are going to get pushback.



Your posting of pictures supporting a Flat Earth and your comments (see below) tell a different story.



No. Actually you posted flat earth nonsense and challenged people to find fault with it.



I haven't called you a fraud. I wouldn't be that kind. In this day and age, believing the earth to be flat is worse than being a fraud.




"Kid"? If you are going to go to name-calling, you really should be able to do better than that.



The following are your comments...

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It sure sounds like you are a believer.

I don't think he's really a believer actually. I suspect he knows perfectly well this is hogwash. I think it's all an exercise in winding people up for his amusement. You can sort of tell by his attitude. But psychology is a funny thing, so I could be wrong.

I've dealt with the nonsense about the sun being "overhead" and with the physics behind the mirage across Lake Michigan. If anyone can find in his junk an example of something indicating a different phenomenon, I might be interested in having a look at it.

 

[Tazarah]

I don't think he's really a believer actually. I suspect he knows perfectly well this is hogwash. I think it's all an exercise in winding people up for his amusement. You can sort of tell by his attitude. But psychology is a funny thing, so I could be wrong.

I've dealt with the nonsense about the sun being "overhead" and with the physics behind the mirage across Lake Michigan. If anyone can find in his junk an example of something indicating a different phenomenon, I might be interested in having a look at it.

I've stated multiple times that I don't support the flat earth theory and I've stated multiple times that while on the internet I came across the photos I posted and felt like they made interesting arguments for the flat earth model. I've also stated multiple times that I posted them to see what other people thought about them and to see how other people explained them. I don't get why this is so hard for some of you to understand. None of this should even "wind anybody up" and nobody should be surprised that flat earth related material is being posted in a thread about the flat earth theory. I'm not the one with the problem -- it's you who has the problem, along with anybody else who becomes triggered by photos or any other information that deals with the flat earth model.

 

[Cooky]

I've never believed in a flat earth. But I hope many other people do.

 

[Cooky]

I've stated multiple times that I don't support the flat earth theory and I've stated multiple times that while on the internet I came across the photos I posted and felt like they made interesting arguments for the flat earth model. I've also stated multiple times that I posted them to see what other people thought about them and to see how other people explained them. I don't get why this is so hard for some of you to understand. None of this should even "wind anybody up" and nobody should be surprised that flat earth related material is being posted in a thread about the flat earth theory. I'm not the one with the problem -- it's you who has the problem, along with anybody else who becomes triggered by photos or any other information that deals with the flat earth model.

Radicals always try to force other people to adopt their POV. They're just like fundamentalists, both being non-enlightened people, who cannot live and let live.

...Both believe it is their job to get everyone they can on board with their agenda.

 

[Cooky]

If memory serves, you said you weren't sure one way or the other. It's the 21st Century. If you aren't sure the earth is a sphere, there is something seriously missing.

I wonder where you live, that you assume other people must be cave dwellers. You must not come into contact with other people much.

 

[exchemist]

I've stated multiple times that I don't support the flat earth theory and I've stated multiple times that while on the internet I came across the photos I posted and felt like they made interesting arguments for the flat earth model. I've also stated multiple times that I posted them to see what other people thought about them and to see how other people explained them. I don't get why this is so hard for some of you to understand. None of this should even "wind anybody up" and nobody should be surprised that flat earth related material is being posted in a thread about the flat earth theory. I'm not the one with the problem -- it's you who has the problem, along with anybody else who becomes triggered by photos or any other information that deals with the flat earth model.

The statements of yours quoted in post 93 give the lie to that.