The best way to refute the Flat Earth

[Tazarah]

The statements of yours quoted in post 93 give the lie to that.

No, they don't. I've made my position on the subject as well as my motives extremely clear from the beginning.

 

[Cooky]

The statements of yours quoted in post 93 give the lie to that.

I'm a flat-earther... Do you have issue with that.

 

[exchemist]

I'm a flat-earther... Do you have issue with that.

I have no issue with people being silly per se. Some people just are silly. What I do have an issue with is people pretending to be stupid, for the sake of getting an argument going.

 

[exchemist]

No, they don't. I've made my position on the subject as well as my motives extremely clear from the beginning.

Have a nice day.

 

[ecco]

If memory serves, you said you weren't sure one way or the other. It's the 21st Century. If you aren't sure the earth is a sphere, there is something seriously missing.

I wonder where you live, that you assume other people must be cave dwellers. You must not come into contact with other people much.

I don't assume anyone is a cave dweller in this day and age. Information is there for everyone to see. If some people choose to be ignorant of facts, that is on them, not on me.

Over my lifetime I have come in contact with many people. Some believe in a god, some even take Genesis literally. No one has ever indicated that they believe the earth is flat. I am aware that there are believers in a flat earth. There are believers in ghosts too. I have seen more of the latter than the former.

However, I find your comments in this thread interesting. Are you a closet flat-earther?



ETA: I just saw your post #102. My apologies for thinking you were a closet flat-earther.

Perhaps you could take over from taz and post supporting evidence for your beliefs.

 

[ecco]

Radicals always try to force other people to adopt their POV. They're just like fundamentalists, both being non-enlightened people, who cannot live and let live.

It's really funny that you put fundys and heliocentrists in the same bucket. More accurately fundys and flat-earthers belong in the same bucket. Both are science deniers.

...Both believe it is their job to get everyone they can on board with their agenda.

Getting people to believe in the scientifically proven concept that the earth is a sphere is not an agenda and hasn't been for hundreds of years.

 

[ecco]

Forgive me for posting flat earth related material.

There is nothing to forgive. Earlier you stated you weren't sure one way or the other. By now you've seen and heard comments from people supporting science.

The question is, do you still have doubts about the shape of the earth?

 

[exchemist]

It's really funny that you put fundys and heliocentrists in the same bucket. More accurately fundys and flat-earthers belong in the same bucket. Both are science deniers.



Getting people to believe in the scientifically proven concept that the earth is a sphere is not an agenda and hasn't been for hundreds of years.

Thousands of years, in fact. Ever since Eratosthenes, if not before.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

All you said was that in the photo, the sun was "too far away" and that the photo was "out of proportion". You didn't explain anything else and left a lot of room for speculation regarding the point that you were trying to make. It wasn't a clear and concise answer that left no room for doubt or an incorrect interpretation.

No, I said more. I gave you an analogy about how distance can effect perception. Imagine that I drew a giant curve on one side of this page, and a mere dot on the other side. You would already see that the sunlight from that sun would overwhelm the differences in latitude that you want to point out. And STILL the picture would not be accurate -- the dot would be far too near the curve.

Again, the problem here is that you seem to be unable to imagine how the light would effect the earth from that sort of size and distance. I have to ask myself WHY? Why do you have this problem? It could be that you just have a deficit mentally with this sort of problem solving. But I think far more likely it is simply your extreme fundamentalism overwhelming your rational mind -- you made your conclusions based on an improper understanding of your scriptures, and NOTHING I say is going to shake what is actually an irrational belief.

 

[Skwim]

I've never believed in a flat earth. But I hope many other people do.

It's the only way of saving the Earth.

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[Cooky]

It's the only way of saving the Earth.

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I see. So the reason for getting people on board with a round earth is that it might lead to increased concern for the environment... Interesting.

 

[Tazarah]

There is nothing to forgive. Earlier you stated you weren't sure one way or the other. By now you've seen and heard comments from people supporting science.

The question is, do you still have doubts about the shape of the earth?

This thread is literally titled "the best way to refute the flat earth", yet when I post arguments from flat earth theorists, you and people like you become enraged and turn hostile while also throwing around insults and ad homs. Like I said before, if you don't have any intentions of addressing any of the photos that I've shared then there's no need for us to continue this conversation -- not because I'm a flat earther, but because I've shared information for which I would like an explanation that you obviously cannot provide.

 

[Tazarah]

No, I said more. I gave you an analogy about how distance can effect perception. Imagine that I drew a giant curve on one side of this page, and a mere dot on the other side. You would already see that the sunlight from that sun would overwhelm the differences in latitude that you want to point out. And STILL the picture would not be accurate -- the dot would be far too near the curve.

Again, the problem here is that you seem to be unable to imagine how the light would effect the earth from that sort of size and distance. I have to ask myself WHY? Why do you have this problem? It could be that you just have a deficit mentally with this sort of problem solving. But I think far more likely it is simply your extreme fundamentalism overwhelming your rational mind -- you made your conclusions based on an improper understanding of your scriptures, and NOTHING I say is going to shake what is actually an irrational belief.

Now you're trying to go into more detail about the point that you were trying to make. At first all you said was "the sun is too close" in the picture and that "it was out of proportion". That's literally all you said. That leaves room for a ton of speculation regarding the point that you are trying to make. For all I know, you were trying to say that the sun moves further away at certain times during the day or that the earth was supposed to be bigger or smaller in the illustration. Your initial response was extremely vague, and the fact that you're now trying to add more details in addition to what you already said is proof that you realize what you originally said was not an efficient response.

 

[Cooky]

This thread is literally titled "the best way to refute the flat earth", yet when I post arguments from flat earth theorists, you and people like you become enraged and turn hostile while also throwing around insults and ad homs. Like I said before, if you don't have any intentions of addressing any of the photos that I've shared then there's no need for us to continue this conversation -- not because I'm a flat earther, but because I've shared information for which I would like an explanation that you obviously cannot provide.

...I had to laugh because it's so true.

 

[Tazarah]

...I had to laugh because it's so true.

I don't get what's so hard for them to understand?

 

[ecco]

This thread is literally titled "the best way to refute the flat earth", yet when I post arguments from flat earth theorists, you and people like you become enraged and turn hostile while also throwing around insults and ad homs.

Become enraged? At someone posting nonsense pictures and then trying to defend them while at the same time saying he isn't defending them, only asking about them? It's hard to be enraged when one is laughing.

Like I said before, if you don't have any intentions of addressing any of the photos that I've shared then there's no need for us to continue this conversation -

I and others have addressed your photos. I asked specifically, regarding the Chicago skyline, where the picture was taken from. You couldn't answer. To now try to say that your photos were not addressed is less than honest.

not because I'm a flat earther, but because I've shared information for which I would like an explanation that you obviously cannot provide.

Well, two things here...

One, explanations were provided. Saying your pictures were phony is providing explanations. Just because you didn't like the explanations or the questions doesn't mean they weren't provided. Saying they weren't provided is less than honest.

Two, you still haven't unequivocally stated if you believe that the earth is a sphere or "flat". Why is that?

 

[Tazarah]

Become enraged? At someone posting nonsense pictures and then trying to defend them while at the same time saying he isn't defending them, only asking about them? It's hard to be enraged when one is laughing.

I posted illustrations created by flat earth theorists in this thread titled "the best way to refute the flat earth" in hopes of finding someone to explain the information and points being raised in the illustrations. This is literally the last time I will explain that to you.

I and others have addressed your photos. I asked specifically, regarding the Chicago skyline, where the picture was taken from. You couldn't answer. To now try to say that your photos were not addressed is less than honest.

I have asked specifically for the photos involving the measurements/calculations to be explained by somebody who is educated enough to explain them. That has yet to be done. You claim that the chicago skyline photo is not authentic or that it is some type of "illusion", so I then said that there are loads of other illustrations dealing with exact measurements, locations, etc., and I shared a few more of them. You nor anybody else has attempted to explain any of them. You just keep complaining about the chicago skyline photo, or the other illustration I posted dealing with the sun positions which has already been explained and debunked.

Well, two things here...

One, explanations were provided. Saying your pictures were phony is providing explanations. Just because you didn't like the explanations or the questions doesn't mean they weren't provided. Saying they weren't provided is less than honest.

Ok, the chicago skyline photo is "phony". I wasn't aware, and we've already dealt with that numerous times. Now what about the other ones I posted in post #60? If you aren't capable of explaining them then just say that and stop trying to pretend that they're all "phony" or that you've already addressed them when you actually haven't. Like I said, it's not that serious. I've posted these illustrations to gain insight and actual scientific explanations regarding the points that they make, not to bicker back and forth with somebody who is triggered by the fact that I'm asking for these photos to be explained.

Two, you still haven't unequivocally stated if you believe that the earth is a sphere or "flat". Why is that?

What I personally believe has nothing to do with whether or not the information that I'm asking to be explained is valid, or whether or not I deserve an explanation regarding the information. You are just seeking out additional ways to attack me or avoid dealing with the information that I've posted. The latter wouldn't even be a problem because like I said, all you would have to do is choose to stop responding instead of trying to whine and complain about everything. If you don't want to or can't explain the illustrations then why do you keep trying to instigate drama? At this point it's obvious that all you want to do is argue.

If I say I believe the earth is a sphere, you're going to use the fact that I don't actually believe the earth is flat as a way to avoid dealing with the illustrations -- and I won't get the answers that I am seeking.

If I say I believe the earth is flat, you're going to start throwing around more ad homs and insults and avoid dealing with the illustrations -- and I won't get the answers that I am seeking.

This entire dialogue that I've been having with you has been completely fruitless, and if you are not capable of explaining the illustrations containing the locations, measurements and calculations that I've shared -- then like I've repeatedly said -- there is literally no reason for you to respond to me, unless you want to continue arguing.

 

[ecco]

not to bicker back and forth with somebody who is triggered by the fact that I'm asking for these photos to be explained.
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trying to whine and complain about everything

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want to continue arguing.

I initially asked one question of you - where was the Chicago skyline picture taken from. You could not answer and now you accuse me of being triggered, whining and complaining and arguing.

It's not my fault that you posted nonsense and then got upset when questioned about its authenticity.


Bye. Or, feel free to get in the last word.

What I personally believe has nothing to do with whether or not the information that I'm asking to be explained is valid, or whether or not I deserve an explanation regarding the information.

That would be true if it was obvious that you were actually soliciting information. The tone of your posts and your responses make it very clear that that is not the case. You came out confrontationally and then defensively. Those are not the traits of a seeker of knowledge. Rather, they are indicative of someone whose pet ideas got shot down by knowledgeable people.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Now you're trying to go into more detail about the point that you were trying to make. At first all you said was "the sun is too close" in the picture and that "it was out of proportion". That's literally all you said. That leaves room for a ton of speculation regarding the point that you are trying to make. For all I know, you were trying to say that the sun moves further away at certain times during the day or that the earth was supposed to be bigger or smaller in the illustration. Your initial response was extremely vague, and the fact that you're now trying to add more details in addition to what you already said is proof that you realize what you originally said was not an efficient response.

The inference of saying that the sun is out of proportion and too close is the fact that in your diagram your complaint makes sense, but in a proportional diagram, your complaint is moot.

Now I've done my very best to explain this to you. What you do with the information is up to you. My guess is that, since the real motivation for your belief in a flat earth has to do with a literal reading of certain passages of your Bible, that none of this science and reason stuff is going to make so much s a dent. So... I say we have tangled over this enough. It's stupid for both of us to keep repeating our points.

 

[Tazarah]

I initially asked one question of you - where was the Chicago skyline picture taken from. You could not answer and now you accuse me of being triggered, whining and complaining and arguing.

It's not my fault that you posted nonsense and then got upset when questioned about its authenticity.


Bye. Or, feel free to get in the last word.

How did I get upset? I admitted that I didn't know where the exact location in the photo was and I moved onto posting more photos of the same sort with the actual locations named, along with the calculations and measurements. I even admitted that I didn't know there was already an explanation online as to the arguments mentioned in the photo when somebody else mentioned it.

That would be true if it was obvious that you were actually soliciting information. The tone of your posts and your responses make it very clear that that is not the case. You came out confrontationally and then defensively. Those are not the traits of a seeker of knowledge. Rather, they are indicative of someone whose pet ideas got shot down by knowledgeable people.

Really? Well I've been patiently waiting for you to stop complaining about the Lake Michigan photo and address any of the other 2-3 illustrations that I've shared along with the names of the locations, calculations and measurements. I believe it's safe to assume that you will never address any of the illustrations in question because you simply can't, and I also believe it's safe to assume that your next response will once again be you complaining about the original illustration that I posted of Lake Michigan while also avoiding the fact that there are other photos that have been shared that you for some reason cannot explain.

If that is the case, then do not expect me to respond to your next comment.