Oeste
Well-Known Member
I have noticed that some Christians will often quote a sentence, verse or paragraph from the bible to justify many different self-righteous judgeents, and so it seems pertinent to use the single verse formula in return.
But clearly you would not do that.
Let's say I wouldn't rely on it as my sole support for a particular doctrine.
Unfortunately “proof texts” are continuously laid as foundations for non-Trinitarian dogma. I have yet to see a textual critic arise from their ranks and if one did, I seriously doubt he/she would survive peer review, a necessary (and sometimes lethal) component of any credible textual work.
We cannot do much more.
Where a person declares:- 'This is my truth'... or.... 'This is my Faith' then almost all members here would acknowledge that and respect it.
Indeed we should, but as this is a debate forum they may be asked not only what they believe but why they believe it. It is here that beliefs can be upheld, refined, or challenged.
Where a person declares 'This is the only truth' ....or.... 'this is the only faith' then they're likely to get challenged.
Totally agree, but then they can also be the most fun.
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There is a problem with resolution via textual criticism or analysis.
The first problem is that there is no record about what Jesus, his followers or others actually said, in their own language.
We need a record of what was said, but I’m not sure why an original language is required. We can certainly understand Vladimir Putin’s speech without first printing, reading or hearing it in Russian. Besides, Acts 2:4, Acts 19:6, and Mark 16:17 clearly show a church filled with Holy Spirit and able to speak in tongues.
Apart from a very few and vague references to single words and their translations, via Hebrew, Greek or Latin we have little to work with that is original.
You can’t be serious Oldbadger…we have over 5800 extant manuscripts, much more than those found for the Tanakh, and much more than any other ancient manuscript. Most are partials, true, but we have more extant manuscripts that preserve the New Testament than we do any other ancient writing.
We don’t have photos of the original stone tablets but there is little theological question there were ten not three, four or twelve commandments, and that we should not commit, rather than commit adultery despite a 1631 misprint to the contrary.
Yet when it comes to the NT, somehow it becomes fashionable to raise any standard of evidence to unprecedented levels.
Why?
The bible does not even refer to the real names of most of the disciples, or even 'Jesus'.
I don't think "Old Badger" is your real name either, but I don't think it affects what you believe or write here. Likewise my avatar doesn't affect what I believe or write either. You will still be who you are just as surely as I will be.
And so for that reason we can only work on the balances of probability and possibility.
Bearing all this in mind it is definitely a tempting challenge to reply to a thread that claims 'The Bible declares that Jesus is God'.
Yes, very tempting challenge. I see neither of us could resist.
We know that ernest Christians edited, added to, manipulated and even invented insertions into the Gospels, whole letters and even historical works outside of the bible. That just does not help the thread's claim.
I have no doubt men earnestly tried and are trying to edit, add, manipulate and even invent insertions into the Gospels. On this particular point we agree. Last week we had neo-Nazis marching around trying to do the same with recent history, yet we can all be confident the holocaust happened and the historical record correct.
In other words, simply because there are forces working to change scripture does not mean we cannot announce scripture confidently, and simply because there are forces working to change history does not mean we can't write history objectively, so I don't see either as helping or hindering any of the thread's claim.