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The Biblical Trinity

adam45

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Why I believe the Trinity is biblical.

שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד׃
Šəmaʿ Yīsrāʾēl YHWH ʾĕlōhēnū YHWH ʾeḥād:
Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One.
Echad in Hebrew: אֶחָד (three letters)
Echad translated: One
Echad's Gematria: 13

God is one in three, three in one.
God is like the light, light is of three primary colors.
God is like a triangle, a triangle is of three corners.

The Father is the head.
The Son is His right arm.
The Holy Spirit is His left arm.

Thank you.
 

dybmh

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Hi @adam45 ,

Welcome to RF.

Echad in Hebrew: אֶחָד (three letters)
Echad translated: One
Echad's Gematria: 13

I like the way you're thinking about this deeply. Sincerely. However, using this same logic YHVH is 2 not 1.
  • The tetragrammaton in Hebrew is four letters.
  • It's translated as "The Eternal"
  • The tetragrammaton's gematria: 26 ( 13+13 / אֶחָד + אֶחָד )
  • אֶחָד + אֶחָד is 2
See what I mean?

The other problem is that 3 letter words in Hebrew are very common. Because of this the first correspondence is insignificant.
 

adam45

Member
However, using this same logic YHVH is 2 not 1.
  • The tetragrammaton in Hebrew is four letters.
  • It's translated as "The Eternal"
  • The tetragrammaton's gematria: 26 ( 13+13 / אֶחָד + אֶחָד )
  • אֶחָד + אֶחָד is 2
See what I mean?
No, I don't see what you mean. Sir, please respect me.
 
Greetings Adam,

I assume you are a brother in Christ. I appreciate your interest in things spiritual. Could i invite you to view my conversation with Harel13 regarding the merits of Christianity as opposed to that of Judaism. I address the Trinity issue from a similar but slightly different observation than yours. You can find our discussion on this forum under (Religious Debates) then click ( Scriptural Debates), above that you can click on (find threads and it should come up.

Respectfully,
Anthony H Miller
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Sir, please respect me.

Nothing in my reply was disrespectful.

No, I don't see what you mean.

OK, I'll start over and explain slowly and in more detail why what you wrote is not a good reason to believe in the concept of a Christian trinity. There are much much better reasons.

Echad in Hebrew: אֶחָד (three letters)
Echad translated: One
Echad's Gematria: 13

These three facts are supposed to produce a "wow". "Wow, that cannot be a coincidence!" "It must be God revealing it's secrets and mysteries to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear." But this "wow" doesn't happen unless the individual cannot read Hebrew and doesn't know gematria. They are dazzled ( beguiled ) by the usage of the Hebrew language. It's like a magic trick, an illusion. To see it clearly, let's analyze each of these individually.

Each of these bible facts are actually insignificant if they are analyzed individually. They only appear significant if other facts are ignored. This is what happens when an individual is beguiled, delusional, being fooled, or fooling themself. The quintessential example of this is In the Garden of Eden. If you read the story carefully, please notice, Eve is standing directly in front of the Tree of Life. Both trees are in the center of the garden. Eve chose the Tree of Knowledge. It's as if she didn't know it was there, because she was captivated, beguiled, by the idea of being God-like.

The same is happening here. Proving the Trinity is so desirable that the faults in what you wrote are never considered. An illusion is created by the use of the Hebrew language, and reinforced by the assumption that a spirit of truth is guiding this and would not mislead and omit important facts.

Echad in Hebrew: אֶחָד (three letters)

This is insignificant. There are many many 3 letter words in the Hebrew language. There are 10 three-letter words in the first 2 verses of Genesis alone. There are too many other examples of 3 letter words for this to be significant.

Echad's Gematria: 13

This is insignificant, because gematria of "13" does not equal " 1 - 3". That's not how gematria works. I doubt you will believe me. However, it is easy to see that the gematria of the Lord's name, YHVH, has a different gematria. Because of this, gematria cannot be used in this case. Watch.

Here is the verse which proclaims God's unparalleled unity, a unity without any division, Deut 6:4. Note: Hebrew is written right to left, which is the opposite of English.

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Using gematria:

א + ח + ד = אחד
= 1 + 8 + 4
= 13

י + ה + ו + ה = יהוה
= 10 + 5 + 6 + 5
= 26


Including the gematria in the verse looks like this: ( written left to right to make it easier to read in English )


שְׁמַ֖עיִשְׂרָאֵ֑ליְהֹוָ֥האֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּיְהֹוָ֥האֶחָֽד
HearYisraelYHVH[is] our God.YHVH[ is ] one.
26[ is ] 13

The problem with introducing gematria in this verse is 26 =/= 13. Introducing gematria renders the verse false.

שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד׃
Šəmaʿ Yīsrāʾēl YHWH ʾĕlōhēnū YHWH ʾeḥād:
Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One.

...

Echad's Gematria: 13

Including gematria in this verse, in this way, breaks the continuity of the verse and renders it false because 13 does not equal 26. The verse says YHVH is ONE. In Hebrew, using gematria, YHVH is not Echad, because YHVH = 26 Echad = 13.

It just so happens, that 26 is two 13s. Because of this, using your same logic, introducing gematria into the verse, renders YHVH into 2 not 1.

Echad = 13
YHVH = 26
YHVH = 13+13

... replacing 13 with Echad ...

YHVH = Echad (13) + Echad (13)

... Echad means "one" ...

YHVH = One ( Echad ) + One ( Echad )
One + One = Two

Using your logic, introducing gematria into this verse, YHVH is not one, it's two. The only way to avoid this is to ignore the gematria of God's name and fool oneself by selectively focusing on only the words and numeric equivalents which support the assertion.




In light of all of this, each of the three bible facts you brought are insignificant in regard to the Christian Trinity. They might appear to be an incredible coincidence to those who do not know the Hebrew language, who do not know how gematria works, who deeply desire proof of the Christian Trinity. But it will not be convincing to the rest of us.
 
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