SavedByTheLord
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It is and historical.
Evolution and billions of years is hogwash
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The Big Bang Theory is dead.
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Evolution and billions of years is hogwash
The Bible and a hundred other religious scriptures are all historical, and they all claim different things. The Bible, however, is not a monograph, it's an anthology of diverse writings from largely unknown sources. It's full of material and historical errors, contradictions, and edits. It is not a reliable source for anything, much less for ontological truth.
This claim is supportable; it's evidenced. Your claim of a young Earth and everything being suddenly poofed into existence by an invisible magician is not.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
It is all inspired by God Almighty.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Show your math
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Where did the laws of nature come from?
Where did all matter come from? Where did antimatter?
Where did all energy come from?
Where did all the protons come from? neutrons? photons? neutrinos? All the quarks? Gluons? Muons? All the anti-particles?
Where did the gravitation force come from? The strong force? The weak force? The electromagnetic force?
None of which should exist at all without the fake Big Bang.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
add up all the particles listed - over 10^92 by some estimates,
McBell
Admiral Obvious
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Sum over the number of each type of particle and that comes to about 10^92
McBell
Admiral Obvious
For all your claims of being such a highly decorated academic you do not understand what "show your work" means?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
God had always existed and always will exist and created all things.
cladking
Well-Known Member
I don't know. I'm sure Something has always existed.
I don't think of the "big bang" as dead so much as it was still born.
Imagine everything coming from a point that isn't even one of four dimensions!!! It has all the earmarks of a problem with definitions and/ or axioms.
Please stop preaching.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
There you go.
You just answered your universe question.
We don't know that it 'came from' at all. It may well have existed whenever there was time.
We don't know that there was a cause. We don't know if there was anything 'before' the Big Bang.
Well, a time where all four of the fundamental forces are unified. That would be after the Planck time, but well before the time of inflation.
Why would you think that? Cause and effect require time. So if there is no time, then there is neither cause nor effect. No breakage.
Nope. ALL conservation laws say something along the line of 'the total quantity of X at one time is the same as the total quantity at any other time'. Notice that there has to be time at both for this to make sense. if there is no time, the conservation laws do not apply.
Well, in this scenario, the most likely case is that there is an infinite regress. Most multiverse models have energy infinitely into the past.
Nope. The law of entropy is a statistical law, not a fundamental one. In fact, we know that if time is infinite, entropy would have to *decrease* somewhat periodically. Look up the Poincare recurrence time. No breakage. The law is just a statistical one.
Once again, the law of entropy is NOT absolute. It is simply due to the large number of possible combinations of atoms and molecules. But given sufficient time (and an infinite amount of time would certainly be sufficient), it is guaranteed to be violated. This is well understood.
Why would they 'come from' at all? To be able to 'come from' requires other laws governing that process. This cannot happen for truly fundamental laws. So the most fundamental laws 'just are': they don't 'come from'.
Energy has likely existed whenever there was time. The conservation laws apply whenever there is time. But, if time is finite into the past, there is literally no 'before' and so no causality.
Nope. The probabilities of the quantum world show that cause and effect are not universal.
The fact that matter has properties means there are natural laws governing it. And that implies that ordered structures will naturally form.
Gravity, in particular, is a great organizer on the cosmic scale: it tends to increase areas of concentration and bring things together into spherical bodies. Chemistry is also a great organizer. Some chemicals naturally attract each other and repel others. This leads to organization: those attracting will form structures together.
No, you have made vague arguments and pointed to your scriptures. That is not the same thing.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I want to make sure you know that there are those of us who really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Two claims you have not been able to back up. The actual evidence supports evolution. The actual evidence supports the universe being about 13.7 billion years old with the Earth about 4.5 billion years old. In other words, the universe is about 3 times as old as the Earth.
On the other hand, the Bible has plenty of outright historical mistakes. That makes sense because it is generally acknowledged by scholars to be mostly priestly propaganda.