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The Birth of Christ

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Is paul hinting at the idea of a child being born unto us in Galatians 4:19?

19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

and knowing the seed is there but not raised from Colossians 3:11

11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I believe he is talking about the fulness of the anointing.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Is paul hinting at the idea of a child being born unto us in Galatians 4:19?

19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

and knowing the seed is there but not raised from Colossians 3:11

11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
The birth of Christ is an internal experience.
Not understanding what has happened to them many think that they are in fact the Christ when it happens to them.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Jesus himself was born physically of the union of Mary and her half brother Joseph, who were both sired By Alexander Helios/Heli. It was not until the day of his Baptism that he was born as the heir and successor of our Lord and savior, when the spirit of our savior/Christ, descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my Son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee."
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Only according to Mark. Mt and Lk have it Jesus was God's son at birth, and Jn pre-existent.

Mark the son of Peter and John the beloved disciple of Jesus, ignore the physical birth of Jesus as being totally irrelevant and begin their story of the salvation of mankind with the baptism of Jesus, when the spirit of the Lord descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my Son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee."

Matthew simply reveals that the birth of Jesus happened to make come true what the Prophet had said; "A Young unmarried woman who is pregnant will bear a son and call his name Immanuel, etc.

The Hebrew term 'ALMAH' which is used by Isaiah in Isaiah 7;14; according to Youngs Analytical Concordance, means: " Concealment------An unmarried woman."

Unlike the Greek language, which did not have a specific term for virgin, the Hebrew does, and that word is 'bethulah' the word that is used in every instance in the OT where a woman who has never had sexual contact with a man is referred to, and the word that Isaiah would have used if it was the Lords intention to covey the message that a virgin would be pregnant.

And Luke who wrote his gospel some 30 years after Jesus, received his information second hand, but he did reveal that Jesus was the son of Mary and Joseph the son of Heli.

The statement written in brackets [As was Supposed] was a later interpolation by those who wished to cast doubt on the parentage of the man Jesus, as was the statement that Jesus was begotten by the Lord on the day of his baptism, which was changed by those same deceivers, who changed Luke 3: 22 , which originally said that the heavenly voice said; "You are my Son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee," to, "You are my own dear son, In whom I am pleased," In order to make it appear that the man Jesus had always been the son of out Saviour

In Luke 3: 22; (In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”) The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Christology at work in the Gospels.. From baptism to before He was born.

There was no Jesus before the sperm of Joseph the son of Heli was introduced into the uterus of Mary the Daughter of Heli, where the minute living sperm cell of Joseph the son of Heli united with the gigantic dormant cell [Relative to the size of the sperm cell] within Mary the daughter of Heli, and the fetus began to grow finally to be born as the baby Jesus in the year of 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod the great in the spring of 4 BC.
 

Notaclue

Member
There was no Jesus before the sperm of Joseph the son of Heli was introduced into the uterus of Mary the Daughter of Heli, where the minute living sperm cell of Joseph the son of Heli united with the gigantic dormant cell [Relative to the size of the sperm cell] within Mary the daughter of Heli, and the fetus began to grow finally to be born as the baby Jesus in the year of 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod the great in the spring of 4 BC.


Why do you believe this?
 
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