The blind faith of the evolutionists

[The Sum of Awe]

Why do you think agriculture started only before 10000 years ago ? why not before 50000 years ago.

Why human before 10000 years started to have skills and using tools.

That too was likely a slow process of various advancements binding together, similarly to the invention of black and white pictures to colored, HD full-length movies.

The invention of one thing leads to the invention of another, and both inventions will lead to yet another invention, etc. etc. Another example would be looking at how the agricultural revolution lead up to the industrial revolution, the industrial revolution didn't just one day show up, it was built upon decades and decades of advancement.

In the same way, humans didn't just one day begin creating useful tools; originally tools weren't even invented, people used the things around them in different ways. So way back when, a random rock on the ground could've been used like a hammer. These natural tools led to artificial tools, nothing advanced, nothing too far better. Gradually more artificial tools were made and were used to make more artificial tools, so on and so forth.

Skills and ideas came from traits held by individuals; some were clever and created tools to enhance these traits, some were athletic and used those tools like a pro, etc. etc.

If that makes sense

 

[FearGod]

That too was likely a slow process of various advancements binding together, similarly to the invention of black and white pictures to colored, HD full-length movies.

The invention of one thing leads to the invention of another, and both inventions will lead to yet another invention, etc. etc. Another example would be looking at how the agricultural revolution lead up to the industrial revolution, the industrial revolution didn't just one day show up, it was built upon decades and decades of advancement.

In the same way, humans didn't just one day begin creating useful tools; originally tools weren't even invented, people used the things around them in different ways. So way back when, a random rock on the ground could've been used like a hammer. These natural tools led to artificial tools, nothing advanced, nothing too far better. Gradually more artificial tools were made and were used to make more artificial tools, so on and so forth.

Skills and ideas came from traits held by individuals; some were clever and created tools to enhance these traits, some were athletic and used those tools like a pro, etc. etc.

If that makes sense

Why not thinking of it that human species before 10000 years was much smarter than the previous ones.

 

[Skwim]

Do you think Darwinian evolution is a blind faith ?

No.

Evolution is a process. Blind faith is a mental acceptance; a form of belief.

 

[Looncall]

Why do you think agriculture started only before 10000 years ago ? why not before 50000 years ago.

Why human before 10000 years started to have skills and using tools.

You might find it useful to note that not only organisms change through time but also the environment and that these processes interact.

For example, the occurrance of the great rift in Africa left some species in a savanna environment that had previously lived among trees. The new environment then selected for traits suitable for survival in that new environment. And so it goes through the ages.

Thinking in terms of creations seems to blind people to the idea of process.

 

[FearGod]

No.

Evolution is a process. Blind faith is a mental acceptance; a form of belief.

Did you observe it happening ?

Why not to think of it as a new evolved creation,similar to the way that we make new inventions that evolved from the previous ones.

 

[FearGod]

You might find it useful to note that not only organisms change through time but also the environment and that these processes interact.

For example, the occurrance of the great rift in Africa left some species in a savanna environment that had previously lived among trees. The new environment then selected for traits suitable for survival in that new environment. And so it goes through the ages.

Thinking in terms of creations seems to blind people to the idea of process.

So what significant incidence that happened before 10000-12000 years.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Why not thinking of it that human species before 10000 years was much smarter than the previous ones.

That's true, they are. Not sure if you're trying to imply that it's a major jump though, but it truly isn't. People are only as smart as they make themselves to be. It's not a sudden change of intelligence, but it's advancing intelligence. Think of it as, with every passing year, experience, invention, etc, we are building on to intelligence by our own advances in experience, inventions, etc.

Example:

Knowledge of how to fire bullets < Knowledge of how to aim more accurately < Knowledge of how to shoot bullets more damagingly < Knowledge of how to shoot bullets faster < Knowledge of how to hold more bullets < Knowledge of how to reload more quickly < Knowledge of how to reload less often... so on and so forth.

 

[FearGod]

That's true, they are. Not sure if you're trying to imply that it's a major jump though, but it truly isn't. People are only as smart as they make themselves to be. It's not a sudden change of intelligence, but it's advancing intelligence. Think of it as, with every passing year, experience, invention, etc, we are building on to intelligence by our own advances in experience, inventions, etc.

Example:

Knowledge of how to fire bullets < Knowledge of how to aim more accurately < Knowledge of how to shoot bullets more damagingly < Knowledge of how to shoot bullets faster < Knowledge of how to hold more bullets < Knowledge of how to reload more quickly < Knowledge of how to reload less often... so on and so forth.

Do you have an evidence that it wasn't a sudden change of intelligence ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you have an evidence that it wasn't a sudden change of intelligence ?

That would be for archeology to evidence. The info I have implies that it would be unlikely at least. I suppose it is possible, but I never heard of evidence in favor of it.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Do you have an evidence that it wasn't a sudden change of intelligence ?

It happens modernly and as far back as humans started documenting by time periods, I don't see why it wouldn't happen before that.

Occam's Razor also has a helping hand in this, because one would need to consider more unproven factors than one would need to if they didn't think it was such an abrupt change.

And not to mention the construction of ancient artifacts with a few exceptions with Stonehenge or the Egyptian Pyramids (which can be explained by comparison of cultural wisdom). Looking into detailed history will most of the time, if not all of the time, show an increase in intelligence over periods of time unless a factor is included that will limit its growth process. It is especially evident in the evolution of military defenses, societal constructions, technology, etc.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

All I know is that crows can use tools and apparently are better at it than some apes...so...watch out.

 

[FearGod]

It happens modernly and as far back as humans started documenting by time periods, I don't see why it wouldn't happen before that.

Occam's Razor also has a helping hand in this, because one would need to consider more unproven factors than one would need to if they didn't think it was such an abrupt change.

And not to mention the construction of ancient artifacts with a few exceptions with Stonehenge or the Egyptian Pyramids (which can be explained by comparison of cultural wisdom). Looking into detailed history will most of the time, if not all of the time, show an increase in intelligence over periods of time unless a factor is included that will limit its growth process. It is especially evident in the evolution of military defenses, societal constructions, technology, etc.

What prevent you of thinking that the human species before 12000 years was a new creation that evolved from the previous one ?

 

[gnostic]

Do you know what "blind faith" even mean?

It mean accepting whatever YOU believe in, WITHOUT EVIDENCES!

Accepted theories are those that can be rigorously and repeatedly tested, so empirical data and evidences are needed.

There are many, countless evidences that support Darwin's Natural Selection. So Natural Selection is not taken on as "blind faith".

This "blind faith" is the realm of theology and religion. It is about believing something like god that defied all law of physics. Whether it be faith or blind faith, you are trusting on your belief and superstitious belief in a book this god is real. That's faith.

We are speaking about Darwinian evolution which based on mutations and natural selection and not a directed evolution by God.

It is a fact that no one know what had happened millions of year ago that forced species to evolve to a new different kinds than the previous ones.

Can we prove that God wasn't involved,so who think that God wasn't involved then he has a blind faith on Darwinian evolution and the one who think that God was involved then he has blind faith on religion.

Oh my god! (That just an expression; I don't have any god.) Are these modern Muslims, like yourself, totally ignorant?

Tell me, have you ever pick up a single science textbook before? Biology? Physics? Chemistry? A book on modern medicines?

Have you bother to read them?

I am asking you this, because I wants to know if you have read any of these books, and find a single theory, in which the author say "God did it"?

I have read several, including textbooks on geology, hydrodynamics, structural designs & constructions (during days when I was studying civil engineering), electronics, computer architecture, networking, programming (when I was majoring in computer science), and none of them, say that "god did it".

Why should "god" be mention at all, in evolution, mutation or natural selection, when he is not mention any book of biology, chemistry or physics, that I have read.

These books are not books of faith, theology, religion, or about god.

Have you read any scientific book that explicitly stated that god is responsible for anything and for everything?

 

[Windwalker]

You're trying to make science, which analyzes processes, fit into mythology. The purpose of myth is not science. In doing this, you miss the point of both, utterly.

There are clear understandings to all your questions, so long as you quit trying to fit square pegs into round holes. These are compatible, but not doing what you're trying to do. I could go at length on all these points, but you're not listening because you're active trying to mash two distinctly different paradigms together.

 

[Skwim]

Did you observe it happening ?

No; however, biologist, those who study such things, are seeing it happen today. HERE are eight examples.

Why not to think of it as a new evolved creation,similar to the way that we make new inventions that evolved from the previous ones.

Because evolution is not goal directed like inventions are.

 

[LuisDantas]

What prevent you of thinking that the human species before 12000 years was a new creation that evolved from the previous one ?

Lack of evidence.

Recorded history and archeological facts imply that there was no such sudden jump at that time.

 

[FearGod]

Do you know what "blind faith" even mean?

It mean accepting whatever YOU believe in, WITHOUT EVIDENCES!

What evidence means ?

Accepted theories are those that can be rigorously and repeatedly tested, so empirical data and evidences are needed.

There are many, countless evidences that support Darwin's Natural Selection. So Natural Selection is not taken on as "blind faith".

Countless evidences,so evidences are with no limits,are you saying that you have more than a million of them,can you bring a source that count 100 of them.

This "blind faith" is the realm of theology and religion. It is about believing something like god that defied all law of physics. Whether it be faith or blind faith, you are trusting on your belief and superstitious belief in a book this god is real. That's faith.

Can you disprove God,so the others can open their eyes.

My god! (That just an expression; I don't have any god.) Are these modern Muslims, like yourself, totally ignorant?

No,just me and proud to be ignorant than believing those foolish ideas.

Tell me, have you ever pick up a single science textbook before? Biology? Physics? Chemistry? A book on modern medicines?

Yes i did

Have you bother to read them?

I didn't,they were expensive.

I am asking you this, because I wants to know if you have read any of these books, and find a single theory, in which the author say "God did it"?

Did you say "I wants",i wonder how can you understand a science book,did you finish high school.

I have read several, including textbooks on geology, hydrodynamics, structural designs & constructions (during days when I was studying civil engineering), electronics, computer architecture, networking, programming (when I was majoring in computer science), and none of them, say that "god did it".

Did what ?

Why should "god" be mention at all, in evolution, mutation or natural selection, when he is not mention any book of biology, chemistry or physics, that I have read.

Who mentioned physics and other fields of science,it is about Evolution Vs. Creationism

These books are not books of faith, theology, religion, or about god.

So do you think this sub-forum should be deleted.

Have you read any scientific book that explicitly stated that god is responsible for anything and for everything?

But evolutionists themselves are saying that God doesn't exist,of course not all of them but some who are interested in misguiding others.

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Atheist Richard Dawkins Gets Owned by God!

 

[Ouroboros]

Do you think Darwinian evolution is a blind faith ?

No. It's not.

It's a well educated understanding. Go to school, take some classes, and see for yourself.

 

[Ouroboros]

We are speaking about Darwinian evolution which based on mutations and natural selection and not a directed evolution by God.

When nature and God are the same, the question doesn't make any difference anymore.

It is a fact that no one know what had happened millions of year ago that forced species to evolve to a new different kinds than the previous ones.

Literally hundreds of thousands of fossils in different strata is not the same as not knowing. Just look up trilobites. How come we have unbroken record of them going from simple to more complex? Did God slowly modify the genes using mutations? Yes, if God is nature.

Can we prove that God wasn't involved,so who think that God wasn't involved then he has a blind faith on Darwinian evolution and the one who think that God was involved then he has blind faith on religion.

God was involved. Nature is God.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

What evidence means ?



Countless evidences,so evidences are with no limits,are you saying that you have more than a million of them,can you bring a source that count 100 of them.



Can you disprove God,so the others can open their eyes.




No,just me and proud to be ignorant than believing those foolish ideas.



Yes i did



I didn't,they were expensive.



Did you say "I wants",i wonder how can you understand a science book,did you finish high school.



Did what ?



Who mentioned physics and other fields of science,it is about Evolution Vs. Creationism



So do you think this sub-forum should be deleted.



But evolutionists themselves are saying that God doesn't exist,of course not all of them but some who are interested in misguiding others.

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Atheist Richard Dawkins Gets Owned by God!

But you don't believe in Evolution right?