apostle_ndr
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I touched on this in an earlier thread and thought it was worthy of its own.
The Latin translation of Lucifer is "Bringer of Light" or "Light-bringer", derived from lux (light) and ferre (to bring). It was Lucifer who coaxed Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, against God's command. Irrelevantly, if Eve had no knowledge on the difference between right and wrong how was she supposed to know that it was wrong to disobey God? Nevermind that if it doesn't make sense. You can say that the story of Eden was just symbology, that God actually created the world over eons and eons which were called "days" (On day one, he created..) Whether if the story of Eden is symbolic or factual (opinions vary), God clearly did not want his pets to know. There is not a word in the Bible in favor of intelligence (paraphrased quote, author forgotten), for Christianity insists that its followers shut their eyes and submit. Jesus taught specifically to serve your masters well as though you were serving God, ie. submissive slavery. Suffer now, he said, and later God will reward you. If you ask me, this sounds like the people in power at the time made that up so that they could get maximum efficiency from their slaves. Just a thought. The meek shall inherit the earth, he taught, a pretty bold promise to the people who let others boss them around.
Moving along. Lucifer gave us knowledge, and we hate him for it. Analogy using the Matrix. We're living our perfect little lives in Eden (the Matrix) when Lucifer comes along and opens our eyes (Neo). We wake up and see just how bad the real world is, and we hate Lucifer! I don't believe in the existence of Lucifer, God, Jesus, or Luke Skywalker, so this is all in the interest of hearing what Christians have to say on the matter.
Jesus wants us to be submissive slaves?
Lucifer saved us from God?
Are we just a social experiment with Dr. God pulling the strings? Rats running around in a maze with God watching and taking notes? When he finds out what he needs to know, will he wipe us out and move on to his next experiment?
First glance, that's a crazy claim, but is it anymore crazy than what we are taught in our daily lives?
Also, in the movie Constantine, an interesting point is made (which is purely for entertainment and has no philosophical value). If God requires humans to have faith for salvation, what if someone knows? John Constantine was given a gift to see angels and demons, he's been to hell and back. So, instead of believing, he KNOWS. Knowledge destroys faith, so does John get to go to heaven despite his lack of faith?
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When thousands of people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion. - Paraphrased quote, author forgotten.
The Latin translation of Lucifer is "Bringer of Light" or "Light-bringer", derived from lux (light) and ferre (to bring). It was Lucifer who coaxed Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, against God's command. Irrelevantly, if Eve had no knowledge on the difference between right and wrong how was she supposed to know that it was wrong to disobey God? Nevermind that if it doesn't make sense. You can say that the story of Eden was just symbology, that God actually created the world over eons and eons which were called "days" (On day one, he created..) Whether if the story of Eden is symbolic or factual (opinions vary), God clearly did not want his pets to know. There is not a word in the Bible in favor of intelligence (paraphrased quote, author forgotten), for Christianity insists that its followers shut their eyes and submit. Jesus taught specifically to serve your masters well as though you were serving God, ie. submissive slavery. Suffer now, he said, and later God will reward you. If you ask me, this sounds like the people in power at the time made that up so that they could get maximum efficiency from their slaves. Just a thought. The meek shall inherit the earth, he taught, a pretty bold promise to the people who let others boss them around.
Moving along. Lucifer gave us knowledge, and we hate him for it. Analogy using the Matrix. We're living our perfect little lives in Eden (the Matrix) when Lucifer comes along and opens our eyes (Neo). We wake up and see just how bad the real world is, and we hate Lucifer! I don't believe in the existence of Lucifer, God, Jesus, or Luke Skywalker, so this is all in the interest of hearing what Christians have to say on the matter.
Jesus wants us to be submissive slaves?
Lucifer saved us from God?
Are we just a social experiment with Dr. God pulling the strings? Rats running around in a maze with God watching and taking notes? When he finds out what he needs to know, will he wipe us out and move on to his next experiment?
First glance, that's a crazy claim, but is it anymore crazy than what we are taught in our daily lives?
Also, in the movie Constantine, an interesting point is made (which is purely for entertainment and has no philosophical value). If God requires humans to have faith for salvation, what if someone knows? John Constantine was given a gift to see angels and demons, he's been to hell and back. So, instead of believing, he KNOWS. Knowledge destroys faith, so does John get to go to heaven despite his lack of faith?
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When thousands of people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion. - Paraphrased quote, author forgotten.