Interesting article. What do you make of it?
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"The Christian Right's Love of Corporal Punishment"
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Wait for the apologists to start showing up.
I found myself nodding in agreement with many of the points. At least around here, there are plenty of families who identify corporal punishment with a deeply embedded custom and heritage. It's as if any criticism of spanking is a personal attack against them as people.
Again, I reiterate my position that I have found spanking as a method of disciplining children to be ineffective at best.
Skwim
Veteran Member
From your linked site I found the following inter-link quite telling.
From Focus on the Family (a conservative religious organization)
From Focus on the Family (a conservative religious organization)
The Biblical Approach to Spanking
Seven steps to disciplining your child.
Regardless of the method, the Bible's word on discipline clearly demands that parents be responsible and diligent in spanking, but strongly prohibits physical abuse of any kind. Obviously, the biblical approach is balanced, reasonable, and controlled. So let's get very practical. What does it look like to spank in a way that obeys Scripture, modifies attitudes and behavior, and actually strengthens the bond between parent and child? .
Seven Steps
Don't panic when you have to use action to enforce discipline. I know how much second-guessing a parent can do. Let me give you seven key steps that will enable you to discipline your child without fear of overstepping your bounds.
1. Clear warning.
2. Establish responsibility
3. Avoid embarrassment.
4. Communicate grief.
5. Flick your wrist. This is an extremely practical method that will save you a lot of second-guessing. Remember the point of a spanking: It's to sting, to provide a painful deterrent to misbe*havior, not to injure. . . .
. . . .When you spank, use a wooden spoon or some other appropriately sized paddle and flick your wrist.. . .
. . . .Have the child lean over his bed and make sure you apply the discipline with a quick flick of the wrist to the fatty tissue of the buttocks, where a sting can occur without doing any damage to the body.
6. Sincere repentance
7. Unconditional love.
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So, while I hesitate to agree that all those of the Christian right have a love of corporal punishment, there's no doubt that they're encouraged to use it.Seven steps to disciplining your child.
Regardless of the method, the Bible's word on discipline clearly demands that parents be responsible and diligent in spanking, but strongly prohibits physical abuse of any kind. Obviously, the biblical approach is balanced, reasonable, and controlled. So let's get very practical. What does it look like to spank in a way that obeys Scripture, modifies attitudes and behavior, and actually strengthens the bond between parent and child? .
Seven Steps
Don't panic when you have to use action to enforce discipline. I know how much second-guessing a parent can do. Let me give you seven key steps that will enable you to discipline your child without fear of overstepping your bounds.
1. Clear warning.
2. Establish responsibility
3. Avoid embarrassment.
4. Communicate grief.
5. Flick your wrist. This is an extremely practical method that will save you a lot of second-guessing. Remember the point of a spanking: It's to sting, to provide a painful deterrent to misbe*havior, not to injure. . . .
. . . .When you spank, use a wooden spoon or some other appropriately sized paddle and flick your wrist.. . .
. . . .Have the child lean over his bed and make sure you apply the discipline with a quick flick of the wrist to the fatty tissue of the buttocks, where a sting can occur without doing any damage to the body.
6. Sincere repentance
7. Unconditional love.
source
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
"This is why the United States, along with Somalia, is the only country in the world not to have ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, a document that outlines U.N. expectations for how governments are to handle the rights of children."
I think that speaks volumes. Enough said.
goodhunter819
Member
There's no smoke without fire, punishment is good in some aspects, it has also been part of Apache way,
I woke up this morning and something told me to open a site and to my dismay and shock I saw the name Tanka associated with sex pornography to be exact, I was appalled’ you’d think that after eighth centuries the blanco hombre & blanco mujer would have learned a little more religious respect, the name Tanka is derived from the name Wakan Tanka the great spirit which we pray to, I was dismayed at even the slightest nations of association with promiscuous and perverted sex.
This is not of the Great Spirit, on a singular point whilst also believing in the same thing and a follower, followers of this spiritual religious belief also practise polygamy , which means a brave or chief having more than one wife but the wives only having one husband so as to clear up any misunderstanding on why you want to degrade the name , it is disappointing that the blanco hombre y mujer should think to associate sex in this manner with a spiritual religious belief , I can say for sure what caused this, the general consensus is that the believers of the Great Spirit are pagan and some pagans have been known to practice group sex as a freedom of expression or to enhance a dark power, so No this is not correct for the believers of the Great Spirit, the term pagan comes from Greece and Rome, the pagans were known to immortalise the image of god in a man or goddess as in a woman, (eg)the white bearded, white haired, white robed image of Zeus or Apollo or the female idol carved in stone of Athena however unlike the Greeks and Roman the First Nations Indians do not have an image immortalised in stone for their belief, the Great Spirit is formless and works through all things in the universe , the Great Spirit is the centre force for the universe and can manifest itself in any form it wishes it does not need sexual images to perpetuate it’s power it is complete in itself so again No , the term Pagan was given to non believers in Christ at the turn of the Christian rise and persecution of the so called heathens and though it was wrongfully given to anyone not believing in Christ it became a general terminology for non monotheist believers despite the fact that most of these non Christian religions were not evil or practiced evil, the Christian teachings taught that anyone wanting to find eternal life or true religious belief had to go through the church and that is where the incorrect term pagan to all non Christian believers came from, the name Wakan (Tanka) the Great Spirit is not an objective use for sex and whomever used that name Tanka wrongly associated the name in a disgraceful way, at the same time I do want to point out the this spiritual religious belief totally propagates heterosexual practice and belief but not in this way, that name is the Christian equivalent of god’s spiritual power not an evil sexual appraisal, it is just not right and totally wrong that you should misrepresent a spiritual religious name in that way that and I am pretty sure it was a I know the mujer afro étnica y una mujer blanca behind the thought of user , all wearing black tee shirts to be like the pagans, yet again though your own ignorance you’re in the wrong again, well at least your living up to the label a Nazi once called your lot? Which is a people of total ignorance even in these modern times and No I am not a Nazi
It’s woman & men like them you cannot help but exploit everything they see who make it harder for people wanting to-do better and be right in this world and
I woke up this morning and something told me to open a site and to my dismay and shock I saw the name Tanka associated with sex pornography to be exact, I was appalled’ you’d think that after eighth centuries the blanco hombre & blanco mujer would have learned a little more religious respect, the name Tanka is derived from the name Wakan Tanka the great spirit which we pray to, I was dismayed at even the slightest nations of association with promiscuous and perverted sex.
This is not of the Great Spirit, on a singular point whilst also believing in the same thing and a follower, followers of this spiritual religious belief also practise polygamy , which means a brave or chief having more than one wife but the wives only having one husband so as to clear up any misunderstanding on why you want to degrade the name , it is disappointing that the blanco hombre y mujer should think to associate sex in this manner with a spiritual religious belief , I can say for sure what caused this, the general consensus is that the believers of the Great Spirit are pagan and some pagans have been known to practice group sex as a freedom of expression or to enhance a dark power, so No this is not correct for the believers of the Great Spirit, the term pagan comes from Greece and Rome, the pagans were known to immortalise the image of god in a man or goddess as in a woman, (eg)the white bearded, white haired, white robed image of Zeus or Apollo or the female idol carved in stone of Athena however unlike the Greeks and Roman the First Nations Indians do not have an image immortalised in stone for their belief, the Great Spirit is formless and works through all things in the universe , the Great Spirit is the centre force for the universe and can manifest itself in any form it wishes it does not need sexual images to perpetuate it’s power it is complete in itself so again No , the term Pagan was given to non believers in Christ at the turn of the Christian rise and persecution of the so called heathens and though it was wrongfully given to anyone not believing in Christ it became a general terminology for non monotheist believers despite the fact that most of these non Christian religions were not evil or practiced evil, the Christian teachings taught that anyone wanting to find eternal life or true religious belief had to go through the church and that is where the incorrect term pagan to all non Christian believers came from, the name Wakan (Tanka) the Great Spirit is not an objective use for sex and whomever used that name Tanka wrongly associated the name in a disgraceful way, at the same time I do want to point out the this spiritual religious belief totally propagates heterosexual practice and belief but not in this way, that name is the Christian equivalent of god’s spiritual power not an evil sexual appraisal, it is just not right and totally wrong that you should misrepresent a spiritual religious name in that way that and I am pretty sure it was a I know the mujer afro étnica y una mujer blanca behind the thought of user , all wearing black tee shirts to be like the pagans, yet again though your own ignorance you’re in the wrong again, well at least your living up to the label a Nazi once called your lot? Which is a people of total ignorance even in these modern times and No I am not a Nazi
It’s woman & men like them you cannot help but exploit everything they see who make it harder for people wanting to-do better and be right in this world and
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Vishvavajra
Active Member
I think a lot of it has to do with the doctrine of Total Depravity. Their concept of humanity is pretty abysmal to start with, so reasoning with a child and expecting them to be able to make correct choices is thought to be impossible to begin with, as even adults are thought to be incapable of goodness on their own. The only corrective is torment, which is what they believe God had prepared for us in response to our inherently wicked natures. The whole thing is just as misanthropic as you can possibly get. But of course it's all out of love, since we know that God is loving and therefore inflicting torment on the weak must also be loving. QED.
The only thing spanking ever taught me when I was small was that my dad had a furious temper and that when riled he turned into a bully who would take his frustrations out on me. It didn't happen often, but it did make me see him as a source of pain rather than of comfort, which was an attitude I carried with me throughout my childhood. I've similarly never had any appreciation for the "strict father" concept of God that right-wing evangelicals have. I know that disciplinarian parents are just wallowing in their own egos and vices, slaves to their impulses of anger and the neurotic need to control that which they ultimately have no control over. If God is just more of the same, then that's nothing to admire.
The only thing spanking ever taught me when I was small was that my dad had a furious temper and that when riled he turned into a bully who would take his frustrations out on me. It didn't happen often, but it did make me see him as a source of pain rather than of comfort, which was an attitude I carried with me throughout my childhood. I've similarly never had any appreciation for the "strict father" concept of God that right-wing evangelicals have. I know that disciplinarian parents are just wallowing in their own egos and vices, slaves to their impulses of anger and the neurotic need to control that which they ultimately have no control over. If God is just more of the same, then that's nothing to admire.