~ The Clinton Victory Thread ~

[columbus]

I am not especially fond of Hillary Clinton. But she is running a superb campaign. Her opposition is Donald Trump. She is going to win.

And the Democrats will almost undoubtedly retake the Senate. She won't have to deal with such an obstructive Capitol Hill. If the Republican party keeps going as they are, the Democrats could even get the Congress back.


I'm good with this. I'm not fond of one party dominating the government. But Hillary seems to have realized that many USA voters aren't willing to support the same old same old. Sanders and his leftist agenda are the future. She is quite expedient enough to grasp that and get on board the train. She is perfectly capable of throwing old supporters under the bus and pretending that her current position has always been what she meant to say.

So, given the choices, I am glad that Hillary is so far ahead of Donald. And I don't see much likelihood of that changing between now and November.

What I do think is that if those of us who want her kind of change, instead of Trump's, need to make it clear that the support is contingent upon her keeping the campaign promises. And if she and the Dems do, showing up again to vote in 2018.

Tom

 

[averageJOE]

I was a Bernie supporter and I'm also in the "Never Trump" camp, that said, Clinton is failing miserably at winning my vote.

 

[columbus]

I was a Bernie supporter and I'm also in the "Never Trump" camp, that said, Clinton is failing miserably at winning my vote.

Well, here are the three choices to vote:
Clinton
Trump
Whoever wins
You have to pick one.
But there are other choices you could make. You could support the Dems, while making it clear that you're doing it to keep the party headed in the direction Sanders is steering towards. That you won't if they start heading back towards neoliberalism of the 90s.
The reason that some people have more clout than others is because they contributed more to the effort.

One of the biggest problems with the Sanders supporters is that they expected results before they would give support. It doesn't work that way. Politicians care about their supporters, not people who might support them later.

Bernie knows that, which is why he is supporting Hillary and the Dems.
Tom

 

[OceanSoul]

Yeah, I was a Bernie Sanders supporter as well but I will probably vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm not excited about Hillary, I just know I definitely won't be voting for Trump.

 

[averageJOE]

Well, here are the three choices to vote:
Clinton
Trump
Whoever wins
You have to pick one.
But there are other choices you could make. You could support the Dems, while making it clear that you're doing it to keep the party headed in the direction Sanders is steering towards. That you won't if they start heading back towards neoliberalism of the 90s.
The reason that some people have more clout than others is because they contributed more to the effort.

One of the biggest problems with the Sanders supporters is that they expected results before they would give support. It doesn't work that way. Politicians care about their supporters, not people who might support them later.

Bernie knows that, which is why he is supporting Hillary and the Dems.
Tom

There are two other candidates. One of them is very close to getting on the national debate stage. Or are you in the "They don't have a chance, therefore for you should vote for someone who actually has a chance" camp?

You are wrong about Bernie supporters "expecting results before they would give support". They/we don't expect results. We expect a fair election. And with all the evidence of election fraud on the Democratic side we are not just going to fall in line and vote democrat. Policy over candidate. Hilary had her chance to win my vote, but promoting DWS to honorary chairman was the nail in the coffin.

Hilary doesn't care about supporters. She cares about endorsements.

 

[YmirGF]

Yep, Hill Hill will win in a landslide. You read it here first on RF. Gee, now none of you have to go out and vote. It's a done deal. <evil grin>

 

[fantome profane]

Yep, Hill Hill will win in a landslide. You read it here first on RF. Gee, now none of you have to go out and vote. It's a done deal. <evil grin>

Well, there is no point voting for Trump since he is going to lose anyway, and who wants to vote for a loser.

#losertrump

 

[columbus]

Yep, Hill Hill will win in a landslide. You read it here first on RF. Gee, now none of you have to go out and vote. It's a done deal. <evil grin>

The Democrats biggest obstacle, at this point, is overconfidence and apathy.
I think she lost the 2008 nomination due to those problems. I don't think she'll make that mistake again.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

At least I got to vote for Bernie in the primary. I'm not very fond of Hillary, but there is too much potentially at stake to pretend a Hillary win isn't crucial, especially since she is the Democrat nominee. I'm just not optimistic enough to prematurely call it yet. Trump has sent more than enough Republicans over that the Democrats switching sides won't be an issue, but voter apathy may be an issue that gives Trump the election. Fortunately, Liberals tend to show up for Presidential elections, which may also bode well for the Democrats chances of taking the House and Senate.

I think she lost the 2008 nomination due to those problems. I don't think she'll make that mistake again.

She's too good of a politician. She really needs to focus on mobilizing voters though.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh brutha.

Oh sista.

Oh my.

 

[von bek]

I am not especially fond of Hillary Clinton. But she is running a superb campaign. Her opposition is Donald Trump. She is going to win.

I DO NOT WANT TRUMP TO WIN. Having said that, in all caps at that, I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening come the morning after election day. I think Trump will win. He consistently does better than he polls when it comes time to vote. A lot of people who are first time voters rolled out and voted for Trump in the primaries. These people typically do not get included in polling that only addresses people who have been prior registered voters. Trump will simply pound the outsider card as he did against his Republican primary opponents, a group of politicians he cut through like butter. I think people who think Clinton has an easy win ahead of her have seriously misjudged the mood of the country.

I may be wrong. I hope I am. Believe me, I hope after the election, you can tell me, "See, I told you so."

Full disclosure, I am not fond of Clinton, either. In fact, I think she is quite terrible and I plan on voting for Jill Stein. I live in Texas, no swing state, so I feel completely justified in voting my conscience this election.

 

[psychoslice]

I think silly Hillary will just keep the US running in the same old way, and poking their nose into everyone else's business, where as Trump would clean up his own backyard first, which is rather dirty.

 

[Willamena]

I was a Bernie supporter and I'm also in the "Never Trump" camp, that said, Clinton is failing miserably at winning my vote.

She's won my vote. Oh, wait....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He consistently does better than he polls when it comes time to vote.

Polls really don't matter much, except if you were to poll the swing states and states that aren't very predictable. And even then, the election is still a few months out and things can happen - like Richard Murdock predicted to have a very easy win against Joe Donnoley a few years ago, until he said some appalling things about rape and pregnancy and killed his chances at winning just days before the election. And it's not so much about individual voters you have to make predictions with, but the entire Electoral College has to be considered, which leaves us pretty much with just the swing states to look at. Such as, it's a given the West coast and New England are going to largely and possibly mostly go towards the Democrat, while the "heart land" is going to go Republican. From the Electoral College predictions, Trump has got to pick up some big wins and chunks of the swing states and the "ify" states on the prediction maps. But all of the EC predictions I have seen have Clinton winning by a comfortable margin. There is also the fact he has very little appeal outside of his main audience, which is a very white male crowd that is mostly middle aged and working lower/middle class. Outside of that for various demographs his support is not very much to hardly in existence at all.

 

[columbus]

Hilary had her chance to win my vote, but promoting DWS to honorary chairman was the nail in the coffin.

Here is a message from Bernie Sanders:

I understand that many of my supporters are disappointed by the final results of the nominating process, but being despondent and inactive is not going to improve anything. Going forward and continuing the struggle is what matters. And, in that struggle, the most immediate task we face is to defeat Donald Trump.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sanders-message-bernie-bros-20160805-snap-story.html

Why is DWS so important?
Sanders got about 10% more delegates than votes. That is hardly rigged against him. His platform is simply not as popular with Democrats than Clinton's. Much less the entire electorate.
Sanders never had a chance of winning a national election based on his platform. That's why he never ran. Hillary and the democrats gave him a pulpit. He proved that his platform is more politically feasible than most people thought a year ago.

But if people like you don't sign up for some contributions you will be proving that DWS was right, blowing off the Sanders supporters.

Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to bring up the following.
The problem is that would cause such pain for Hillary voters.
The kind part of my brain (a very small part) wants to spare
them this pain. But the candid & informative part has now won.

Even I am more progressive than Hillary.
Tis shocking, but true.
I'm stronger on gay marriage, having always favored it.
I'm stronger on abortion rights.
I"m stronger on......well, you get the picture.

Face it folks....you're planning to vote for someone
more fundamentalist & conservative than I am.

I've anticipated the consequences, so I offer you a....

Btw, do you like my Easter Island themed tissue dispenser?

 

[First Baseman]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to bring up the following.
The problem is that would cause such pain for Hillary voters.
The kind part of my brain (a very small part) wants to spare
them this pain. But the candid & informative part has now won.

Even I am more progressive than Hillary.
Tis shocking, but true.
I'm stronger on gay marriage, having always favored it.
I'm stronger on abortion rights.
I"m stronger on......well, you get the picture.

Face it folks....you're planning to vote for someone
more fundamentalist & conservative than I am.

I've anticipated the consequences, so I offer you a....

Btw, do you like my Easter Island themed tissue dispenser?

Yeah, it's real cute.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to bring up the following.
The problem is that would cause such pain for Hillary voters.
The kind part of my brain (a very small part) wants to spare
them this pain. But the candid & informative part has now won.

Even I am more progressive than Hillary.
Tis shocking, but true.
I'm stronger on gay marriage, having always favored it.
I'm stronger on abortion rights.
I"m stronger on......well, you get the picture.

Face it folks....you're planning to vote for someone
more fundamentalist & conservative than I am.

That's a moot point for two reason; 1) things such as same-sex marriage and abortion aren't going to be attacked by Hillary, and 2) Trump did pick as his running mate a Right-winged Conservative lunatic who does stand on the side who wants to overturn Obergefell v Hodges and did sign "gay Jim Crow" into law.

 

[First Baseman]

Vote for Johnson. 4 years from now you'll be glad you did. Whoever wins this thing is going to take our country down a 4 year path of misery. Sorry, but them's the facts, folks.

 

[Demonslayer]

Btw, do you like my Easter Island themed tissue dispenser?

They have the same one at the place I go skiing! I dig it.