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The Combat Sports Thread

Zwing

Active Member
Anybody a fan of combat sports out there: boxing, wrestling, fencing, Muay Thai, any of the multiform martial arts, but especially mma? Let us discuss this here. Let me start. I like mma and various styles of wrestling (not including so-called “professional wrestling”!) as much as I find boxing terribly stunted, the Marquess of Queensbury rules seeming oh-so artificial. My all-time favorite fighter is Fedor Emilianenko, a rather early MMA fighter and Sambo expert who was simply a beast in the ring. Number two is Mirko Filipovic of the giant kick, a contemporary of Fedor and seemingly one of the nicest most unaffected guys in the history of these sports (the “anti Conor McGregor”), and number three is current day Jon Jones, a very strong and mobile fighter who is their equal. Do you have any favorite fighters? Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Are you impressed by the realism and violence of mma? You have the ball…
 
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Stevicus

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Staff member
Premium Member
Anybody a fan of combat sports out there: boxing, wrestling, fencing, Muay Thai, any of the multiform martial arts, but especially mma? Let us discuss this here. Let me start. I like mma and various styles of wrestling (not including so-called “professional wrestling”!) as much as I find boxing terribly stunted, the Marquess of Queensbury rules seeming oh-so artificial. My all-time favorite fighter is Fedor Emilianenko, a rather early MMA fighter and Sambo expert who was simply a beast in the ring. Number two is Mirko Filipovic of the giant kick, a contemporary of Fedor, and number three is current day Jon Jones, a very strong and mobile fighter who is their equal. Do you have any favorite fighters? Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Are you impressed by the realism and violence of mma? You have the ball…

I used to watch boxing - and my grandfather liked to watch wrestling, although we kind of saw it as fake. It was back in the 60s and 70s, and I think wrestling has gotten quite a bit more glitzy and glamorous these days than it used to be. It's become quite a spectacle, but I guess that's what it takes to bring people in to the matches.

I suppose I've tended to gravitate more towards team sports, as opposed to being a fan of any individual athlete. But even then, I guess I just kind of lost interest in it over the years.

I will admit that it's always been a curiosity of mine, at least when considering all of these combat sports - boxing, wrestling (real wrestling, not the "professional wrestling"), MMA, or whatever it may be. As George Carlin once said about Muhammad Ali, "It is a strange job, beating people up." It can be interesting to watch, but I can't really watch much of it for very long.

I don't think they should ban it or anything, although I sometimes wonder if gladiatorial games are in our future. Or maybe something like Rollerball.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I used to watch boxing - and my grandfather liked to watch wrestling, although we kind of saw it as fake. It was back in the 60s and 70s, and I think wrestling has gotten quite a bit more glitzy and glamorous these days than it used to be. It's become quite a spectacle, but I guess that's what it takes to bring people in to the matches.

I suppose I've tended to gravitate more towards team sports, as opposed to being a fan of any individual athlete. But even then, I guess I just kind of lost interest in it over the years.

I will admit that it's always been a curiosity of mine, at least when considering all of these combat sports - boxing, wrestling (real wrestling, not the "professional wrestling"), MMA, or whatever it may be. As George Carlin once said about Muhammad Ali, "It is a strange job, beating people up." It can be interesting to watch, but I can't really watch much of it for very long.

I don't think they should ban it or anything, although I sometimes wonder if gladiatorial games are in our future. Or maybe something like Rollerball.
I used to like boxing too. When watching the Sugar Ray Leonard /Thomas Hearns fight I could see that even though Hearns was outscoring Leonard, Leonard was hitting with more power. I was not surprised when Leonard knocked him out. I got out of it when it became pay per view. I still watched some of the free fights. And then along came George Foreman. I was watching a match of a person that was 47 years old. He looked totally out classed. Round after round he fought with his hands up and threw hardly a punch. then all of a sudden this clear loser threw two punches. Bam bam! And his opponent dropped like a sack. His power was amazing. He just did not have the youth to spar for round after round so he adapted his fighting style to his age. He eventually came back and was the oldest person to ever win the world heavyweight title.

I used to love professional wrestling when I was a child, but it became to fake for me. But when Hulk Hogan and others were first becoming stars I had a friend that followed it. He had no illusions. He knew it was fake. In fact when watching a show hat featured a bit of a match in Ohio he said, "Oh year! I saw this match when it was done in Minneapolis". Back then, they may still do this, they would polish a routine and take it one the road. They would fight the same choreographed match in city after city. It takes a lot of work to get a match down. Those guys are following a script and if you know it you can spot it now and then when watching a match.

I did karate for a good twenty years, but I can appreciate MMA. If I studied anything today I would add Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to my studies.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Anybody a fan of combat sports out there: boxing, wrestling, fencing, Muay Thai, any of the multiform martial arts, but especially mma? Let us discuss this here. Let me start. I like mma and various styles of wrestling (not including so-called “professional wrestling”!) as much as I find boxing terribly stunted, the Marquess of Queensbury rules seeming oh-so artificial. My all-time favorite fighter is Fedor Emilianenko, a rather early MMA fighter and Sambo expert who was simply a beast in the ring. Number two is Mirko Filipovic of the giant kick, a contemporary of Fedor and seemingly one of the nicest most unaffected guys in the history of these sports (the “anti Conor McGregor”), and number three is current day Jon Jones, a very strong and mobile fighter who is their equal. Do you have any favorite fighters? Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Are you impressed by the realism and violence of mma? You have the ball…
My "sport" is MMA. Medieval Martial Arts, but as that abbreviation has been stolen it is now called HEMA, Historical European Martial Arts. I'm out of training now but I once was very apt at not hurting people with a long sword.
 

Zwing

Active Member
My "sport" is MMA. Medieval Martial Arts, but as that abbreviation has been stolen it is now called HEMA, Historical European Martial Arts. I'm out of training now but I once was very apt at not hurting people with a long sword.
This is interesting and new to me. Might you explain more about it, and give us some idea of its popularity?
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
This is interesting and new to me. Might you explain more about it, and give us some idea of its popularity?
It's pretty niche and usually goes together with living history or reenactment performances. There are a wide variety of weapons, rules and motivations. These fighters do it for sports, using modern equipment:
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Anybody a fan of combat sports out there: boxing, wrestling, fencing, Muay Thai, any of the multiform martial arts, but especially mma? Let us discuss this here. Let me start. I like mma and various styles of wrestling (not including so-called “professional wrestling”!) as much as I find boxing terribly stunted, the Marquess of Queensbury rules seeming oh-so artificial. My all-time favorite fighter is Fedor Emilianenko, a rather early MMA fighter and Sambo expert who was simply a beast in the ring. Number two is Mirko Filipovic of the giant kick, a contemporary of Fedor and seemingly one of the nicest most unaffected guys in the history of these sports (the “anti Conor McGregor”), and number three is current day Jon Jones, a very strong and mobile fighter who is their equal. Do you have any favorite fighters? Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Are you impressed by the realism and violence of mma? You have the ball…
We used to learn boxing at my prep school, from the ages of 9 to 13. We had a few nose bleeds but nothing worse. I didn't like it much at the time but put up with it, which I imagine was part of the point of it. I have been known to watch the odd boxing match subsequently. I suppose having done it a tiny bit gives a glimmer of understanding of what is it like for the participants. Apart from that I have no interest in combat sports - unless you count rugby :cool:.
 

Zwing

Active Member
It can be interesting to watch, but I can't really watch much of it for very long.

I don't think they should ban it or anything, although I sometimes wonder if gladiatorial games are in our future.
I have developed an interest and respect for mma simply because it seems to represent for me an experimental programme in refining and perfecting unarmed combat by selecting the most useful aspects of numerous historical martial arts. There is, however, one or two aspects of these sports which I dislike tremendously.

One of said aspects has to do with the entire “gladiatorial spectacle” which is evident at any match, with a large crowd of people of varying and questionable psychology seeming to “cry for blood”. This has always been evident in the boxing world, and seems to have naturally migrated to mma. In top mma matches, I find the match itself a quite interesting experiment in the relative merits of fighting technique, even while I find the crowd and its effects very disturbing. I wish these matches could be fought, recorded, and broadcast absolutely without speciation being present, but knowing the realities of economics and the human penchant for commoditization, I realize that that will not ever happen. So, I live with the disturbing people in the crowds, trying to ignore them as much as possible.

The other aspect of the sport that I dislike has to do with the personality of many of those who seem to be attracted to these sports, which seems to bear a relation to the crowd issue described above. I don’t have adequate knowledge of psychological terminology to describe the types of personality of which I speak, but they are associated with a penchant for vulgarity, with boasting and taunting, with the excessive wearing of tattoos (something I strongly dislike), and with a generally base approach to life. Conor McGregor is of the type, along with an apparent majority of mma fighters. I find them to be the type of personality which disgusts and angers me, especially for their lack of humility and their excessive affectation. It is notable that, with the exception of Jon Jones who bears only one tat, all of the mma guys that I like, who are among the best in the sport’s history (Fedor, Mirko, Igor Vovchechyn) bear no tattoos. I used to relish the sight of some tatted-up jerk getting knocked out by one of these guys. It is with no small amount of shame that I admit that most of the things I dislike about mma: the vulgarity, the boasting theatrics, the tattoos, etc., seem to myself to ultimately derive from American culture, which has become very vulgar, indeed.

So, there is a lot that I do not like about the sport of mma, even while I think mma an important experiment in fighting technique. I would prefer if it were just a private exercise, with matches held without spectation, thinking that might reduce some of the problems that I discern.
 
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ronki23

Well-Known Member
Anybody a fan of combat sports out there: boxing, wrestling, fencing, Muay Thai, any of the multiform martial arts, but especially mma? Let us discuss this here. Let me start. I like mma and various styles of wrestling (not including so-called “professional wrestling”!) as much as I find boxing terribly stunted, the Marquess of Queensbury rules seeming oh-so artificial. My all-time favorite fighter is Fedor Emilianenko, a rather early MMA fighter and Sambo expert who was simply a beast in the ring. Number two is Mirko Filipovic of the giant kick, a contemporary of Fedor and seemingly one of the nicest most unaffected guys in the history of these sports (the “anti Conor McGregor”), and number three is current day Jon Jones, a very strong and mobile fighter who is their equal. Do you have any favorite fighters? Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Are you impressed by the realism and violence of mma? You have the ball…

I don't do it anymore but when I was a fan of MMA my favourite fighters included:

Georges St Pierre
Bas Rutten
Junior dos Santos
Randy Couture
Daniel Cormier
Valentina Shevchenko

I used to kickbox (2005-2011,2014-2015), do wrestling (2011-2012,2013), judo (2011-2012,2014-2017) and Goshin-Ryu ju jitsu (2010-2012,2013-2017).

I would love to do judo 2x a week and kickboxing 2x a week. Unfortunately there was a clash as judo and kickboxing were on the same day. Ju Jitsu didn't clash though.

I'd give wrestling the chop
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
As George Carlin once said about Muhammad Ali, "It is a strange job, beating people up." It can be interesting to watch, but I can't really watch much of it for very long.

Same here. I find myself wincing very quickly if I try to watch an MMA or kickboxing match because of the injuries and bleeding, and after reading about the high risk of traumatic brain injuries in boxing, I also found it equally hard to enjoy watching.

I appreciate the hard work and intense training that goes into all of these sports, but I just don't find them watchable.
 
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