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The conflicting aspects of hell...

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Well I guess it could also be asked whether or not children are easily moulded by religion since I often find had trouble accepting the concepts of christianity as a child. Usually I assume most people accept their faith blindly because they were raised into it and then there's those who discover faith for themselves.

But here goes my story. As a child growing up in a somewhat chaotic household, I often stayed with my grandparents who were very religious. They were very nice people and would often take us to church. I loved church but even as a child around 7, I use to think what a terrible person god was to send people straight to hell and yet he was also suppose to be an entity who loved ALL his children. Most children I guess do not have the cognitive development yet to understand the complexities of what is deemed good and what is deemed bad so it is a black and white issue. I remember getting goosebumps whenever we were taught about the teachings and actions of Jesus. I thought to myself, what a great man and how it would be great if more people were like him. But in history at school, it seem like people who were followers of christ were far from being christ-like as they persecuted not only those of another faith but those of their own faith. I use to sit and think to myself, how that could be christian or even remotely right in the sense of right and wrong.

I think what puzzled me the most was the concept of hell. Even as a kid I realized there was more than one religion. I'd often ask how anyone could go to hell for being brought up with a different religion or faith. So even then, I rejected the notions of hell and thought surely god is more loving than that? Whenever I brought up that I could hardly concieve the notion of loving god sending his creations to hell, I'd often get the same confusing arguement that there was some moral reason for it.....

I guess what my question is how does one comfortably follow their faith knowing that they'll go to hell for something that might invoke the wrath of god or that innocent people who are full of humility or do what they can to help people without the faith in religion are going to hell? This concept never made sense to me and the good and bad almost always seems to be entwined within human nature. I also wonder if some people are just instinctively more inclined than some to follow the asepcts of faith. I've often been told that faith has much to do with a child's upbringing. Well in my upbringing I was not so keen on the aspects of christianity even though I grew up with it.

What are your thoughts and beliefs of hell?
 

dragynfly0515

Satan Worshipper
What are your thoughts and beliefs of hell?

I see Hell as the realm of Satan, more a place of spirits and the dead than a place of torment. Since I see Satan as just one of many archetypes or powerful spiritual beings (gods) I don't see Hell as the exclusive abode in the Afterlife. Followers of Jesus may very well go to a golden city with pearly gates and robed winged beings while Muslims could very well go to a paradise full of virgins. I think people in a tormented state who die suddenly could very well go to an unpleasant place while they remain trapped in their negative energy. This possibility scares me more than any Christian lake of fire.

:candle:
Crys
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Your reaction to the doctrine of Hellfire as a child reflects the God-given sense of right and wrong within you. In fact, the Bible does not teach such a God dishonoring doctrine. It is the invention of false religion masquerading as Christian. Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 says "For the living know that they will die, but the dead no nothing....for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going. " Some translations render Sheol as hell. Do the dead suffer? No for they know nothing. This false doctrine emanates from pagan Greek philosophers such as Plato, and was adopted by apostate 'Christians'.
The Bible clearly teaches the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment. (Romans 6:23) Sheol, Hades, Hell are the common grave of mankind. Jesus likened death to a sleep and promised a resurrection from the dead (John 5:28,29). The incorrigibly wicked will suffer everlasting destruction, not everlasting torment.(Matthew 25:46).
 

Troublemane

Well-Known Member
I believe 'hell' is a state of mind, and is created from the memory of what you did to others, and the fear that it will then be done unto you. Hell is a sense of self-punishment for wrongs one thinks they've done. Hell as a religious concept though is kinda like the boogyman, IMO. Something you tell the kids so they'll eat their vegetables. Carried too far, though, it can get outta hand. The imagination is capable of conjuring all sorts of terrifying images, especially now in the information age. We've got so many to draw on. The only way to avoid 'hell' is to accept the fact that a judging/wrathful deity is all in your mind, and any projection of hell conjured up by some televangelists is because they want your money. :angel2:
 

Dunemeister

Well-Known Member
God doesn't "send" anyone anywhere. People go where, in their heart of hearts, they want to go. If they want an existence infused with the love, vitality, and blessing of God, they go there; if they want nothing to do with God, they go where the love, vitality, and blessing of God are absent.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Well I guess it could also be asked whether or not children are easily moulded by religion since I often find had trouble accepting the concepts of christianity as a child. Usually I assume most people accept their faith blindly because they were raised into it and then there's those who discover faith for themselves.

But here goes my story. As a child growing up in a somewhat chaotic household, I often stayed with my grandparents who were very religious. They were very nice people and would often take us to church. I loved church but even as a child around 7, I use to think what a terrible person god was to send people straight to hell and yet he was also suppose to be an entity who loved ALL his children. Most children I guess do not have the cognitive development yet to understand the complexities of what is deemed good and what is deemed bad so it is a black and white issue. I remember getting goosebumps whenever we were taught about the teachings and actions of Jesus. I thought to myself, what a great man and how it would be great if more people were like him. But in history at school, it seem like people who were followers of christ were far from being christ-like as they persecuted not only those of another faith but those of their own faith. I use to sit and think to myself, how that could be christian or even remotely right in the sense of right and wrong.

I think what puzzled me the most was the concept of hell. Even as a kid I realized there was more than one religion. I'd often ask how anyone could go to hell for being brought up with a different religion or faith. So even then, I rejected the notions of hell and thought surely god is more loving than that? Whenever I brought up that I could hardly concieve the notion of loving god sending his creations to hell, I'd often get the same confusing arguement that there was some moral reason for it.....

I guess what my question is how does one comfortably follow their faith knowing that they'll go to hell for something that might invoke the wrath of god or that innocent people who are full of humility or do what they can to help people without the faith in religion are going to hell? This concept never made sense to me and the good and bad almost always seems to be entwined within human nature. I also wonder if some people are just instinctively more inclined than some to follow the asepcts of faith. I've often been told that faith has much to do with a child's upbringing. Well in my upbringing I was not so keen on the aspects of christianity even though I grew up with it.

What are your thoughts and beliefs of hell?

Hello Alice.

I carefully read your story and the feeling I'm getting is that you almost felt like as a child with a chaotic family and having been 'banished' to your grandparents at times made you feel like you were living in a hell kind of lifestyle. Therefore you get a sense that a God who would be as 'hurtful' as your parents were to you, cannot be a God of Love.

The temptation to define God by what we don't want Him to be, i.e we don't want Him to be like our parents is tempting. We feel hurt by our parents and if we find any similarities to their behaviour in God we won't believe that God is good.

The bible does talk about God being our father, but it never says that He is like a human father or that he should be what we think a human father should be like. God is a father, His own kind of father. A father which is not governed by human rules or regulation. He is not a father that is limited by jobs, money, relationships or anything like that. Naturally a father that has absolutely no constraints cannot be the same father as our human fathers, who are limited by many things in this life.

God is a father who does not always keep bad stuff from happening to his children here on earth, but who promises to keep them safe through it. He makes many promises relating to his realm, heaven, for his children. But since we feel that a good dad would not let his children suffer, we feel that a God that does make his children suffer is cruel. However, if God the father can survive all things, it is in His childrens interest to trust Him to make them survive all things too. God's children are adopted from Adam. In Adam's world there is suffering, in God's new heaven and earth there will be none. But we are for this time being in adam's world and here we suffer because we don't belong here. NOw in the new heaven and the new world, the beings that are of this world, will find themselves in a world they are not part of like God's children are now. And the result will be suffering for them.

God as a father promises his children everlasting life and a heavenly inheritance which is gaurenteed and demonstrates his goodness, but it requires patience to inherit the promises.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Hello Alice.

I carefully read your story and the feeling I'm getting is that you almost felt like as a child with a chaotic family and having been 'banished' to your grandparents at times made you feel like you were living in a hell kind of lifestyle. Therefore you get a sense that a God who would be as 'hurtful' as your parents were to you, cannot be a God of Love.

The temptation to define God by what we don't want Him to be, i.e we don't want Him to be like our parents is tempting. We feel hurt by our parents and if we find any similarities to their behaviour in God we won't believe that God is good.

The bible does talk about God being our father, but it never says that He is like a human father or that he should be what we think a human father should be like. God is a father, His own kind of father. A father which is not governed by human rules or regulation. He is not a father that is limited by jobs, money, relationships or anything like that. Naturally a father that has absolutely no constraints cannot be the same father as our human fathers, who are limited by many things in this life.

God is a father who does not always keep bad stuff from happening to his children here on earth, but who promises to keep them safe through it. He makes many promises relating to his realm, heaven, for his children. But since we feel that a good dad would not let his children suffer, we feel that a God that does make his children suffer is cruel. However, if God the father can survive all things, it is in His childrens interest to trust Him to make them survive all things too. God's children are adopted from Adam. In Adam's world there is suffering, in God's new heaven and earth there will be none. But we are for this time being in adam's world and here we suffer because we don't belong here. NOw in the new heaven and the new world, the beings that are of this world, will find themselves in a world they are not part of like God's children are now. And the result will be suffering for them.

God as a father promises his children everlasting life and a heavenly inheritance which is gaurenteed and demonstrates his goodness, but it requires patience to inherit the promises.

Thanx Heneni, I think you might have touched on something that I have related to throughout my life. I'm still a pretty big skeptic of god but I do have issues in wanting to learn what causes these inner conflicts even though I don't believe in god. I've often had trouble looking at the world from a black and white perspective especially when there is a lot of hypocrisy involved.

I want to thank the rest of the replies with expanding on the subject. Seems there is a mixed view in what it means to be christian or what it means to believe in something that isn't tangible.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Miss Alice,

The conflicting aspects of hell...

What the Hell...!
where is this place?
Only a state of mind.
Every moment each one is either in heaven or in hell BUT never does he have his feet firmly on this ground called EARTH!
Religion is all about standing firm on earth. HERE-NOW!
The oscillation of the mind is making individual's experience either heaven or hell at all times. *stilling* it one is HERE-NOW!
Love & rgds
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Miss Alice,



What the Hell...!
where is this place?
Only a state of mind.
Every moment each one is either in heaven or in hell BUT never does he have his feet firmly on this ground called EARTH!
Religion is all about standing firm on earth. HERE-NOW!
The oscillation of the mind is making individual's experience either heaven or hell at all times. *stilling* it one is HERE-NOW!
Love & rgds

Intersting and seems to make sense to some extent.

Although I do not believe in a hell or heaven I do have trouble controlling some emotions thus it dilludes my process of rational thought.

Depending on a day to day basis I mostly see myself in some form of hell or another and then go into a complex of feeling guilty.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Miss Alice,

Depending on a day to day basis I mostly see myself in some form of hell or another and then go into a complex of feeling guilty.

So, start enjoying life. Enjoying does not mean *blow money*.
Friend Willamena started a thread on *mastication* do you know that it is an enjoyable experience but for that one has to slow down to be present HERE-NOW! where time is eternal.
Just waking up itself can be heavenly. Make each moment count just by being CONSCIOUS of each moment and life takes a reverse swing from hell to heaven.
Love & rgds
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Friend Miss Alice,



So, start enjoying life. Enjoying does not mean *blow money*.
Friend Willamena started a thread on *mastication* do you know that it is an enjoyable experience but for that one has to slow down to be present HERE-NOW! where time is eternal.
Just waking up itself can be heavenly. Make each moment count just by being CONSCIOUS of each moment and life takes a reverse swing from hell to heaven.
Love & rgds

At first I thought your sentence said "Enjoying means "blow money"....I was going to say...:sarcastic

Will into the thread thanks zen!
 
Hell was an actual place that existed in Jesus's time just outside of Jewrusalem. It was in fact a mass outdoor crematorium. Literally a big pit where bodies were burned. With famine and disease rampant at this time, there was much death. Most could not afford proper burials, and of course dead bodies could not be left laying around so that diseases would spread even worse. The fires of "Hell" literally burned 24/7. Are there no christian historians in here that know this?
 
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