The contributions of the sciences to Religion

[Ben Dhyan]

The vast majority of people seem unable to produce enough evidence in controlled studies to make your claim reasonable. You should tell your vast majority to up their game and produce evidence

They don't need to....just like they don't have to produce evidence in controlled studies to make their claim that they can reason, reasonable.....unlike the backward evolved folk on the trailing edge of the evolutionary bell curve...

 

[Shad]

They don't need to....just like they don't have to produce evidence in controlled studies to make their claim that they can reason, reasonable.....unlike the backward evolved folk on the trailing edge of the evolutionary bell curve...

Ah the excuse everyone uses that can not prove their claims after attempting to prove their claims has failed. A claim without evidence is unjustified thus unreasonable. Again proping your ego up after your ego was unable to support your claims. Amusing.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ah the excuse everyone uses that can not prove their claims after attempting to prove their claims has failed. A claim without evidence is unjustified thus unreasonable. Again proping your ego up after your ego was unable to support your claims. Amusing.

Sure it is Shad....you will need to produce evidence in controlled studies to make your claim that a claim without evidence is unjustified and unreasonable, reasonable... In the mean time, everything you claim will be treated as unjustified and unreasonable...

 

[gnostic]

Ah the excuse everyone uses that can not prove their claims after attempting to prove their claims has failed. A claim without evidence is unjustified thus unreasonable. Again proping your ego up after your ego was unable to support your claims.

Reason without evidences, is simply expressing one's unsubstantiated opinions.

I'd suppose it is possible to "try to" justify reason with more reasons, but this more often than not, leads to one's bias and ego-stroking, and fall into the pitfall of circular reasoning and/or any number (or combination) of logical fallacies.

That's often the case when with dealing with religious or theistic apologists. They think that their scriptures full of primitive superstitions and folklore can solve all their problems, and will attempt to twist their books to fit in with today's reality.

Now, today, we have some people, also trying to twist modern science to fit in with their religions or their personal beliefs, and are willing to dishonestly provide misinformation on any specific field of science.

It is far better to back one's reason with solid, verifiable evidences than one's without evidences.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Reason without evidences, is simply expressing one's unsubstantiated opinions.

I'd suppose it is possible to "try to" justify reason with more reasons, but this more often than not, leads to one's bias and ego-stroking, and fall into the pitfall of circular reasoning and/or any number (or combination) of logical fallacies.

That's often the case when with dealing with religious or theistic apologists. They think that their scriptures full of primitive superstitions and folklore can solve all their problems, and will attempt to twist their books to fit in with today's reality.

Now, today, we have some people, also trying to twist modern science to fit in with their religions or their personal beliefs, and are willing to dishonestly provide misinformation on any specific field of science.

It is far better to back one's reason with solid, verifiable evidences than one's without evidences.

So where is your solid verifiable evidences that your following comment is nothing more than an opinion....."Reason without evidences, is simply expressing one's unsubstantiated opinions.

I'd suppose it is possible to "try to" justify reason with more reasons, but this more often than not, leads to one's bias and ego-stroking, and fall into the pitfall of circular reasoning and/or any number (or combination) of logical fallacies.

That's often the case when with dealing with religious or theistic apologists. They think that their scriptures full of primitive superstitions and folklore can solve all their problems, and will attempt to twist their books to fit in with today's reality.

Now, today, we have some people, also trying to twist modern science to fit in with their religions or their personal beliefs, and are willing to dishonestly provide misinformation on any specific field of science.

It is far better to back one's reason with solid, verifiable evidences than one's without evidences."?

 

[Shad]

Sure it is Shad....you will need to produce evidence in controlled studies to make your claim that a claim without evidence is unjustified and unreasonable, reasonable... In the mean time, everything you claim will be treated as unjustified and unreasonable...

The lack of evidence and lack of controlled studies is reason enough rather than accepting hearsay from anonymous people on a forum.

I own a bridge in NYC.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The lack of evidence and lack of controlled studies is reason enough rather than accepting hearsay from anonymous people on a forum.

I own a bridge in NYC.

Therefore the hearsay of Shad is worthless....but you did not have to tell us, like ESP, it is self evident...

 

[mystic64]

The lack of evidence and lack of controlled studies is reason enough rather than accepting hearsay from anonymous people on a forum.

I own a bridge in NYC.

The problem Shad is that the information is not available to the general public and until it is you and others like you are perfectly valid when you say there is not any evidence . It is like outer space visitors, the world governments that are in the know are doing everything that they can to keep all evidence out of the reach of the general public. Which is probably a good idea as far as I am concerned and if I thought that anybody would take me seriously about the ESP stuff I wouldn't say anything. That is a fact ! But they don't and we have folks like you making sure that they don't, which is also a good thing as far as I am concerned . People are on a need to know bases and they just plain do not need to know. And thanks to you guys I got some posting credits which is very much appreciated! Controlled controversy sells news papers (attracts viewers), this message board's viewers love it !

"Shad you are slow a belief because of lack of evidence and and controlled studies with some of the stuff that is happening around us, is just keeping your head in the sand ." "And with your head in the sand you are not a player, which is ok, who cares ?

 

[gnostic]

The problem Shad is that the information is not available to the general public and until it is you and others like you are perfectly valid when you say there is not any evidence . It is like outer space visitors, the world governments that are in the know are doing everything that they can to keep all evidence out of the reach of the general public. Which is probably a good idea as far as I am concerned and if I thought that anybody would take me seriously about the ESP stuff I wouldn't say anything. That is a fact ! But they don't and we have folks like you making sure that they don't, which is also a good thing as far as I am concerned . People are on a need to know bases and they just plain do not need to know. And thanks to you guys I got some posting credits which is very much appreciated! Controlled controversy sells news papers (attracts viewers), this message board's viewers love it !

"Shad you are slow a belief because of lack of evidence and and controlled studies with some of the stuff that is happening around us, is just keeping your head in the sand ." "And with your head in the sand you are not a player, which is ok, who cares ?

What a load of a load of craps.

The whole ESP and the research on the parapsychology have been largely discredited as pseudoscience.

The only place where ESP are thriving in public, is in fiction, whether it be in books (novels of all genres), movies or tv. The other side to ESP, is the cons, people who try to exploit the naïve and uneducated, who would believe just about anything and everything.

There have been no evidences to support ESP, and that's why it have been discarded, and it is not because of some government coverup.

Both Americans and the former Soviets did attempt to try to use or harness the powers of ESP, for spying and such, but they have been long since abandoned, because there are no evidences to support these paranormal "talents" or "gifts".

As to this "outer space visitors". This is more bulls.

Sure I believe that there are life out there, but coming here to abduct people, or to invade, or to construct civilisations or to build signposts (pyramids, crop circles, etc) is just more fictions, and/or more cons. No evidences to support any of those allege sightings.

I still believe there are life out there in the wide galaxy and universe, and perhaps may be one day we will find conclusive evidences for such life, but the whole current and past sightings are either mistakes, or worse, shams.

And people who nonfiction books, the Fingerprints of the Gods or the Orion alignment (about aliens building pyramids) are just pseudoscience craps, making money out of people so naïve or gullible to believe in such nonsenses, selling their respective books.

The great pyramids of Giza (4th dynasty) weren't the earliest pyramids built in Egypt, but they are the largest, in true pyramid shape.

And yet whenever they are writing about aliens and pyramids, they only focused on these pyramids ONLY, ignoring at all others.

The previous dynasty started building pyramids for their rulers in Saqqara, near Memphis. They were signs of their religious beliefs that there were the afterlife, but it had nothing nothing to do with space aliens. It is just that Egyptians got better and better at building them.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What a load of a load of craps.

The whole ESP and the research on the parapsychology have been largely discredited as pseudoscience.

The only place where ESP are thriving in public, is in fiction, whether it be in books (novels of all genres), movies or tv. The other side to ESP, is the cons, people who try to exploit the naïve and uneducated, who would believe just about anything and everything.

There have been no evidences to support ESP, and that's why it have been discarded, and it is not because of some government coverup.

Both Americans and the former Soviets did attempt to try to use or harness the powers of ESP, for spying and such, but they have been long since abandoned, because there are no evidences to support these paranormal "talents" or "gifts".

As to this "outer space visitors". This is more bulls.

Sure I believe that there are life out there, but coming here to abduct people, or to invade, or to construct civilisations or to build signposts (pyramids, crop circles, etc) is just more fictions, and/or more cons. No evidences to support any of those allege sightings.

I still believe there are life out there in the wide galaxy and universe, and perhaps may be one day we will find conclusive evidences for such life, but the whole current and past sightings are either mistakes, or worse, shams.

And people who nonfiction books, the Fingerprints of the Gods or the Orion alignment (about aliens building pyramids) are just pseudoscience craps, making money out of people so naïve or gullible to believe in such nonsenses.

The great pyramids of Giza (4th dynasty) weren't the earliest pyramids built in Egypt, but they are the largest, in true pyramid shape.

And yet whenever they are writing about aliens and pyramids, they only focused on these pyramids ONLY, ignoring at all others.

The previous dynasty started building pyramids for their rulers in Saqqara, near Memphis. They were signs of their religious beliefs that there were the afterlife, but it had nothing nothing to do with space aliens. It is just that Egyptians got better and better at building them.

You must represent the trailing edge of the bell curve of human evolution yimmie...ESP is no big deal....everyone possesses it to some degree...but those of limited awareness are blind to its workings...

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You must represent the trailing edge of the bell curve of human evolution yimmie...ESP is no big deal....everyone possesses it to some degree...but those of limited awareness are blind to its workings...

Everyone can fly. If you fell, you just didn't believe hard enough. Not a very persuasive argument.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Everyone can fly. If you fell, you just didn't believe hard enough. Not a very persuasive argument.

So profound...another on the trailing edge of the evolutionary cycle....

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So profound...another on the trailing edge of the evolutionary cycle....

I don't believe you even know what that means, as evolution is neither a cycle nor are there edges. If I have a kid and you don't, I'm already more evolutionarily successful, as there are no idealic traits or series of traits that guarantee selection, nor is any particular trait the ultimate end point of any evolutionary line. But I digress, it's still not a very compelling argument.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I don't believe you even know what that means, as evolution is neither a cycle nor are there edges. If I have a kid and you don't, I'm already more evolutionarily successful, as there are no idealic traits or series of traits that guarantee selection, nor is any particular trait the ultimate end point of any evolutionary line. But I digress, it's still not a very compelling argument.

Ahh...but I do....I have the advantage of an open mind that atheists of any description don't have... My expression was just to explain to you that people are not all equal... What do you know about ESP?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Ahh...but I do....I have the advantage of an open mind that atheists of any description don't have... My expression was just to explain to you that people are not all equal... What do you know about ESP?

Yes you are in the special club of open-minded revelation, I'm sure.

 

[gnostic]

You must represent the trailing edge of the bell curve of human evolution yimmie...ESP is no big deal....everyone possesses it to some degree...but those of limited awareness are blind to its workings...

What you called ESP is either wishful thinking or a sham, not evidences.

You don't seem to be able to grasp the differences between what is a verifiable evidence and what is personal belief, faith, wishful thinking or delusion.

Clearly you're in the later category, if you think ESP has to do with evolution. You have been watching too many sci-fi movies.

Again, I have no desire to reply to you again, in this thread as with other threads, because quite frankly, you irritate the craps out of me.

 

[McBell]

Therefore the hearsay of Shad is worthless....but you did not have to tell us, like ESP, it is self evident...

there it is again, the bold faced "self evident" lie...

 

[McBell]

You must represent the trailing edge of the bell curve of human evolution yimmie...ESP is no big deal....everyone possesses it to some degree...but those of limited awareness are blind to its workings...

for your shoulder that you wrenched out of place trying to pat yourself on the back:

 

[Shad]

The problem Shad is that the information is not available to the general public and until it is you and others like you are perfectly valid when you say there is not any evidence

Actually a number of people have already made claims regarding research studies and linked these studies to me. I read them and found that those making the claims never read their own references.

It is like outer space visitors, the world governments that are in the know are doing everything that they can to keep all evidence out of the reach of the general public.

Using a conspiracy to support another conspiracy....

Which is probably a good idea as far as I am concerned and if I thought that anybody would take me seriously about the ESP stuff I wouldn't say anything. That is a fact ! But they don't and we have folks like you making sure that they don't, which is also a good thing as far as I am concerned . People are on a need to know bases and they just plain do not need to know. And thanks to you guys I got some posting credits which is very much appreciated! Controlled controversy sells news papers (attracts viewers), this message board's viewers love it !

I am not saying people can not talk about ESP. However when one claims it is real but has no evidence in support I call it as I see it.

"Shad you are slow a belief because of lack of evidence and and controlled studies with some of the stuff that is happening around us, is just keeping your head in the sand ." "And with your head in the sand you are not a player, which is ok, who cares ?

That is not being slow. That is being critical. You rather I be gullible in order to accept whatever claims people put forward without evidence like the masses have done for centuries.

 

[Shad]

Therefore the hearsay of Shad is worthless....but you did not have to tell us, like ESP, it is self evident...

Good that you agree with my point which also undermines your esp claims.