Quadrillion to one odds against chance (not explainable as experimental error) is evidence to me that something akin to telepathy does exist.
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The contributions of the sciences to Religion
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Shad
Veteran Member
Good to see you are not using the standards of evidence your own references use. This could be evidence for a number of things. However you only seem to think that is evidence in something your already believe in. Thus you are demonstrating nothing more than confirmation bias and double-standards to help your presupposition
McBell
Unbound
Please show your math
It is a complicated process done by competent professionals. Statistical analysis is not among the mysterious sciences.
McBell
Unbound
Please show their math.
I mean, they do have websites or books or articles or peer reviewed blah blah blah in which the math is shown, right?
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Most statistical analysis can be performed by a reasonably bright high school student ... the problems like in assumptions which need to be elucidated and stand-up to competent professional criticism, something sorely lacking in such "research."
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That some form of telepathy exists is pretty self evident to most people, it does not require some academic authority to confirm it.....though it would be nice if academia could work out how it works. I mean is there anyone posting here who has not experienced having a thought of someone just before the phone rings and there they are? Or the other way round...you call someone and they say..."You know I was just thinking of you"!
And the more mysterious ones like prescient dreams...I used to go fishing a few time a week for years... and I would dream the night before that I caught a crab...and I would catch a crab...next time a dream about catching a few silvery fish and a golden one....and I would catch a few silver bream and a catfish.. I always went with my lady friend and she too would sometimes have fish or crabs dreams the night before and they always play out according to the dream of silvery, golden, or crab. This went on for years and so on our way we always asked each other if there were any fish dreams and if neither of us dreamed of catching anything.....there was about a 95% chance we didn't.. The dreams were general type of fish and crab specific...so how could this be, that the future was already, to some extent, knowable before the the physical manifestation?
ps..interesting too that the dream never manifested when I was consciously in a state of anticipation...which I sometimes was when not much was happening...it always happened when my attention was elsewhere and it would only dawn on me as I was hauling it in and I could see the flash of silver, or gold, or crab through the water...
And the more mysterious ones like prescient dreams...I used to go fishing a few time a week for years... and I would dream the night before that I caught a crab...and I would catch a crab...next time a dream about catching a few silvery fish and a golden one....and I would catch a few silver bream and a catfish.. I always went with my lady friend and she too would sometimes have fish or crabs dreams the night before and they always play out according to the dream of silvery, golden, or crab. This went on for years and so on our way we always asked each other if there were any fish dreams and if neither of us dreamed of catching anything.....there was about a 95% chance we didn't.. The dreams were general type of fish and crab specific...so how could this be, that the future was already, to some extent, knowable before the the physical manifestation?
ps..interesting too that the dream never manifested when I was consciously in a state of anticipation...which I sometimes was when not much was happening...it always happened when my attention was elsewhere and it would only dawn on me as I was hauling it in and I could see the flash of silver, or gold, or crab through the water...
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Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Accounts like these carry more weight for me than any peer pressure review 'study'. Most of us operate daily on the comfortable assumption that mundane events pretty much happen by chance, despite everything we have learned of the excruciatingly detailed instructions operating behind the superficial observations of reality. Yet 'floating in the wind' is still too tempting to resist. But I have yet to meet a single person, staunch skeptic or otherwise, who has had no experiences like these.
In terms of knowable, I think maybe that's inevitable, time was a result of our universe/ creation, hence creation contains all time. Just because we can only occupy one space at one time, does not mean the rest don't exist concurrently right?, similarly with time?
AndromedaRXJ
Active Member
We call this confirmation bias. How about you compare those instances to all the times you thought about someone and nothing happened.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Well of course, everyday I think of people and they don't call, but merely thinking of someone does not imply there is telepathic rapport at the moment, nor even if there were, that a phone call is required. I suggest it is you who shows the tendency to give little consideration to the reality I commented on because it does not comply with your belief....are you a materialist? Confirmation bias anyone...haha...
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Tiberius
Well-Known Member
They can't be reliably reproduced though, can they?
Some knowledge of statistics and psychology is very helpful in dispelling that so-called knowledge of telepathy.
gnostic
The Lost One
People who need to pray in the direction of a city, eg Mecca, just demonstrate that Muslims are still woefully superstitious and worse of all - still idol worshippers.
It is further demonstrated their idolatry by their annual pilgrimage to Mecca, praying at the Ka'aba.
And you saying that you don't need to pray at specific building, just demonstrated the hypocrisy of your own words.
gnostic
The Lost One
Parapsychology is not science; it is pseudoscience.
There may be researchers in parapsychology, but no scientists among them.
The only use for parapsychology is fiction writing, fictional TV shows and films, like horror, sci-fi, fantasy genres.
gnostic
The Lost One
I sense a certain stonewall prejudice that won't be overcome with information as in my previous posts in this thread.
That's strange, because I was going to same thing "stonewall prejudice" about you, George.
You claimed that there are many parapsychological scientists, and yet when ask for some, you are stonewalling by refusing to name one "parapsychological scientist".
You do like to dodge and evade, don't you?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Science informs religions of those beliefs and stories which may not be viewed as factual but must be interpreted as metaphor.
cambridge79
Active Member
yes those people who misinterpret natural events and are unaware of the way our brain process information and unaware of statistical principles.
there's a chance out of 6 that throwing a dice you'll be able to predict the outcome of the throw.
this means that for one people out of six it will be self evident that they have predictive ability if they misinterpret the event of them guessing right the outcome of the dice throw.
would you think it's a coincidence or would you think you have some power if you throw not just 1 but 4 dices and you predict the outcome right? well, there's a 1:1296 chance it would actually happen. If you take 3000 people and you make them throw four dice, on average 3 of them will believe they have mental powers.
You think about 100 different people each day.
one day while you were thinking to a particular people the phone ring and it's him calling.
many people would go "wow, it's amazing, i was thinking of you and you called me, there must be something supernatural behind this" while in fact they totally ignore the 99 times that coincidence didn't occur in that particular day and the thousands of times that coincidence didn't happen on all the other days. our brain tend to discard negative result and just store those events when you get some positive association. From here the illusion.
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Wow, that is stonewall prejudice. Of what use is information against a stonewall?
AndromedaRXJ
Active Member
You're trying to label me yourself without me actually disclosing what I am. Confirmation bias. What belief of mine do you speak of exactly? Let's hear your unfounded assumptions about me.
I'm not the one trying to confirm anything. You are. You're concluding that thinking about someone and they call you a few moments later is some form of telepathy while ruling out all other possibilities. The burden of proof is on you.