The contributions of the sciences to Religion

[Ben Dhyan]

Some knowledge of statistics and psychology is very helpful in dispelling that so-called knowledge of telepathy.

.....but mainly confirmation bias...

 

[LuisDantas]

.....but mainly confirmation bias...

Indeed. Confirmation bias was discovered and described by psychology, and is a major component of the belief in telepathy and other forms of ESP.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

yes those people who misinterpret natural events and are unaware of the way our brain process information and unaware of statistical principles.

there's a chance out of 6 that throwing a dice you'll be able to predict the outcome of the throw.
this means that for one people out of six it will be self evident that they have predictive ability if they misinterpret the event of them guessing right the outcome of the dice throw.

would you think it's a coincidence or would you think you have some power if you throw not just 1 but 4 dices and you predict the outcome right? well, there's a 1:1296 chance it would actually happen. If you take 3000 people and you make them throw four dice, on average 3 of them will believe they have mental powers.

You think about 100 different people each day.
one day while you were thinking to a particular people the phone ring and it's him calling.
many people would go "wow, it's amazing, i was thinking of you and you called me, there must be something supernatural behind this" while in fact they totally ignore the 99 times that coincidence didn't occur in that particular day and the thousands of times that coincidence didn't happen on all the other days. our brain tend to discard negative result and just store those events when you get some positive association. From here the illusion.

Statistics are understood...but nevertheless there exists a medium between between all sentient life forms that allows a form communication between them at a non-verbal level... Science may, in the main eschew it because it would upset the apple cart of contemporary science orthodoxy...but there it is for all to note and experience...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I was of course referring to you atheists and materialists...

 

[LuisDantas]

I was of course referring to you atheists and materialists...

Sure, you can refer to whoever you like, with any claims, with whichever degree of credibility, that you desire.

Whether that makes sense is something else entirely, though.

 

[prometheus11]

In the case of a Zener Card test, results are usually higher when performed with people on mild hallucinogenics. It's not nearly enough to show telepathy, but it's interesting that people perform slightly better under such conditions.

 

[prometheus11]

Statistics are understood...but nevertheless there exists a medium between between all sentient life forms that allows a form communication between them at a non-verbal level... Science may, in the main eschew it because it would upset the apple cart of contemporary science orthodoxy...but there it is for all to note and experience...

What medium?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You're trying to label me yourself without me actually disclosing what I am. Confirmation bias. What belief of mine do you speak of exactly? Let's hear your unfounded assumptions about me.

I'm not the one trying to confirm anything. You are. You're concluding that thinking about someone and they call you a few moments later is some form of telepathy while ruling out all other possibilities. The burden of proof is on you.

Your belief in materialism...you belief that there is not a spacial aether that allows this so called telepathic rapport...

Why should I need to prove it to you when it is already self evident to most people... If you want proof? ...just be more self aware in life to see the amazing underlying one life at work....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What medium?

Aether aks zpe...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sure, you can refer to whoever you like, with any claims, with whichever degree of credibility, that you desire.

Whether that makes sense is something else entirely, though.

It can never make sense to someone who has confirmation bias...they have drunk the kool aid...

 

[prometheus11]

Your belief in materialism...you belief that there is not a spacial aether that allows this so called telepathic rapport...

Why should I need to prove it to you when it is already self evident to most people... If you want proof? ...just be more self aware in life to see the amazing underlying one life at work....

Empty rhetoric. Anybody could substitute whatever terms they want to and make an equally useless claim.

Would you like me to show you?

 

[prometheus11]

Aether aks zpe...

When you write "zpe" I see "God of the gaps." You're only concerned with what you can claim zpe is, you're not concerned with what it actually is.

 

[McBell]

I was of course referring to you atheists and materialists...

Of course you were.
But then, you seem to have no idea what several of the terms you use actually mean:

Confirmation Bias
Self evident
Proof​

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Your belief in materialism...you belief that there is not a spacial aether that allows this so called telepathic rapport...

I never mentioned once that I was a materialist. Furthermore, I never said telepathic doesn't exist (nor did I say it does either). What I am saying is your rationale to conclude that it does exist is flawed (thinking of people who call you moments later), because you rule out all other possibilities. Your problem is you jump to conclusions to easily, both about observed phenomena and about the people you speak to.

 

[gnostic]

The contributions of the sciences to Religion

Yes, science have contribute to religion.

Science have put holes in religion, in creationism and in their superstitious beliefs. Science have dispelled primitive beliefs and superstitions.

Science have contributed to verifiable knowledge, not to superstitious religious beliefs.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Empty rhetoric. Anybody could substitute whatever terms they want to and make an equally useless claim.

Would you like me to show you?

My post was not to you....the poster can speak for himself....

 

[LuisDantas]

It can never make sense to someone who has confirmation bias...they have drunk the kool aid...

You are not aware of the scientific method, apparently.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

When you write "zpe" I see "God of the gaps." You're only concerned with what you can claim zpe is, you're not concerned with what it actually is.

Empty rhetoric...you do not know what understand about zpe...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Of course you were.
But then, you seem to have no idea what several of the terms you use actually mean:

Confirmation Bias
Self evident
Proof​

But then I do....but those with confirmation bias are blind to it....

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

My post was not to you....the poster can speak for himself....

Empty rhetoric. Anybody could substitute whatever terms they want to and make an equally useless claim.

Would you like me to show you?