The contributions of the sciences to Religion

[McBell]

Prove me wrong.

Doesn't work that way.
YOU made the claim.
It is on YOU to support your claim.

You are going to find, if you look, way more evidence on the internet that supports the validity of ESP than you will find that does not support ESP. Tis a fact you know. And Mestemia , you seem to have a picture of me as an avatar picture. I find that an interesting curiosity.

Then it should not be difficult for you to present a source.

 

[gnostic]

Prove me wrong. You are going to find, if you look, way more evidence on the internet that supports the validity of ESP than you will find that does not support ESP. Tis a fact you know.

You are the one who made claims (you and ben_d) that ESP is supported scientifically, then you are the one who need to either provide evidences or at the very least provide evidences from (scientific) sources. The ONE who make a claim about something as supernatural as ESP, has the "burden of proof".

No one here would expect you to expect you to doing the testing or find verifiable evidences for ESP, but if you are going to make such outlandish, then you are going to have to show that the scientists have "verified" ESP is real, from actual peer reviewed papers or articles on that subject.

ESP have never been scientifically verifiable or provable, and that's why I think you are trying to shift the burden of proof to others.

To date, the parapsychological researchers and parapsychology have been deemed to be pseudoscience, just like that of creationists and creationism, and of Intelligent Design, alien abductions, big foot, Loch Ness monster, etc.

ESP have only been successful in the realms of fiction of the paranormal or supernatural or sci-fi, whether the fiction be in books, tv shows or movies, but not in real life.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hilarious coming from the person that presented zero evidence for their claim that can not be undermined so easily

Yes....it was not my evidence directly...funny that haha....but we both agree the claim they presented can not be undermined so easily....

 

[McBell]

Yes....it was not my evidence directly...funny that haha....but we both agree the claim they presented can not be undermined so easily....

If this is the best you got, you got nothing worth while.
I cannot help but wonder why all this alleged evidence is so damn difficult for you two to present....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

If this is the best you got, you got nothing worth while.
I cannot help but wonder why all this alleged evidence is so damn difficult for you two to present....

One fish says to the other fish....where is this ocean everyone talks about? You have not evolved to the point of being sensitive enough whereby your sixth sense is functioning sufficiently to 'see'....

 

[McBell]

One fish says to the other fish....where is this ocean everyone talks about? You have not evolved to the point of being sensitive enough whereby your sixth sense is functioning sufficiently to 'see'....

If all you have to support your claim is this self ego masturbation, you got nothing worth while.
Which is most interesting since you claim there is all this alleged evidence...

At what point does this nonsense make you a bold faced liar?

 

[viole]

ESP is an apparent power to perceive things that are not present to the primary senses...

So, it is a form of delusion?

I ask because if those things are not accessible to our primary senses, how do you know that it works?

Wait, I just sensed the spirit of my grand grand .................................................................................... grand mother swimming by. I guess I have ESP, too

Ciao

- viole

 

[Ben Dhyan]

If all you have to support your claim is this self ego masturbation, you got nothing worth while.
Which is most interesting since you claim there is all this alleged evidence...

At what point does this nonsense make you a bold faced liar?

Your outrage at the thought of being on the trailing edge of the evolutionary bell curve is noted....cry as much as you will, it does not change the reality whereby the majority of people experience some form of ESP while the laggards are left in disbelief.... How is one to reveal vision to a deaf dumb blind man?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So, it is a form of delusion?

I ask because if those things are not accessible to our primary senses, how do you know that it works?

Wait, I just sensed the spirit of my grand grand .................................................................................... grand mother swimming by. I guess I have ESP, too

Ciao

- viole

Now that was so lame.....tells us a lot about the lack of evolutionary intellectual development. You were just born 'blind' wrt the sixth sense....you can't help it for now....fortunately reincarnation and karma will get you up to speed in the long term....

 

[McBell]

Your outrage at the thought of being on the trailing edge of the evolutionary bell curve is noted....cry as much as you will, it does not change the reality whereby the majority of people experience some form of ESP while the laggards are left in disbelief.... How is one to reveal vision to a deaf dumb blind man?

outrage?
you really do have an ego that just wont quit, don't you?
I mean, how is it you think I am outraged by your big steaming pile of unsubstantiated bull ****?

All you have presented is bold empty claims.
Then you present even more bold empty claims to support your bold empty claims.
Hells bells son, the only reason I am posting in this thread is because you are helping relieve my boredom.
I gave up on your being able to support your claims several pages ago.

and then to top it off are your sad attempts at insult.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Because, you are under the illusion that your thoughts and emotions are safe and that nobody can know what they are..

Why would anyone be under that "illusion" when the five senses, as well as the appropriate technological equipment used by neurologists, is more than adequate for reading emotions?

Certain cues like facial expressions, tone of voice, body language, touch, can be used to infer the emotions of people. Additionally, neurologists can see what parts of your brain light up when subjected to certain stimuli.

This has nothing to do with being scared of having our emotions read, and everything to do with you making big claims with nothing to back them up.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

outrage?
you really do have an ego that just wont quit, don't you?
I mean, how is it you think I am outraged by your big steaming pile of unsubstantiated bull ****?

All you have presented is bold empty claims.
Then you present even more bold empty claims to support your bold empty claims.
Hells bells son, the only reason I am posting in this thread is because you are helping relieve my boredom.
I gave up on your being able to support your claims several pages ago.

and then to top it off are your sad attempts at insult.

Cry and wave your hands all you like....truth it the only reason you are not aware of ESP is because you are an unfinished product of evolution....try to catch up...

 

[mystic64]

Cry and wave your hands all you like....truth it the only reason you are not aware of ESP is because you are an unfinished product of evolution....try to catch up...

Well Bend d, we seem to have sturred up a hornet's nest here ! Way too much fun!

 

[mystic64]

Wikipedia: extrasensory perception:

Extrasensory perception or ESP, also called sixth sense, includes reception of information not gained through the recognized physical senses but sensed with the mind. The term was adopted by Duke University psychologist J. B. Rhine to denote psychic abilities such as telepathy, clairaudience, and clairvoyance, and their trans-temporal operation as precognition or retrocognition.[1]
Parapsychology is the study of paranormal psychic phenomena, including ESP. Parapsychology has been criticized for continuing investigation despite being unable to provide convincing evidence for the existence of any psychic phenomena after more than a century of research.[2] The scientific community rejects ESP due to the absence of an evidence base, the lack of a theory which would explain ESP, the lack of experimental techniques which can provide reliably positive results, and considers ESP to be non-existent.[3][4][5][6][7]

Oh ye of so little faith !

 

[mystic64]

Doesn't work that way.
YOU made the claim.
It is on YOU to support your claim.


Then it should not be difficult for you to present a source.

Mestemia, you know that you have some telepathic abilities and empathic/psychic abilities . Otherwise Advocatus Diaboli and your avatar picture would just be an idle threat and a joke. Unless of course you are a physical threat to folks, but we all know that you are not a physical threat to folks. At the sametime if folks truly knew where your power came from you would be persecuted. "Mestemia, you are my evidence." Unless of course you just want folks to be afraid of you because you are very afraid of them. I felt you mind frisk me Mestemia , and yes you are as powerful and diabolical as your member statement and avatar would seem to indicate. At least in my opinion !

 

[McBell]

Cry and wave your hands all you like....truth it the only reason you are not aware of ESP is because you are an unfinished product of evolution....try to catch up...

*yawn*
merely repeating your bold empty claim does not make it true.

And you really do need to work on your insults.

 

[McBell]

Mestemia, you know that you have some telepathic abilities and empathic/psychic abilities . Otherwise Advocatus Diaboli and your avatar picture would just be an idle threat and a joke. Unless of course you are a physical threat to folks, but we all know that you are not a physical threat to folks. At the sametime if folks truly knew where your power came from you would be persecuted. "Mestemia, you are my evidence." Unless of course you just want folks to be afraid of you because you are very afraid of them. I felt you mind frisk me Mestemia , and yes you are as powerful and diabolical as your member statement and avatar would seem to indicate. At least in my opinion !

**looks around for a two story pontoon boat***

 

[Shad]

Yes....it was not my evidence directly...funny that haha....but we both agree the claim they presented can not be undermined so easily....

Which I placed under scrutiny and found wanting. No we do not agree as I undermined the claim in my first response. Heck you are repeating hearsay if it is not your experience.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Which I placed under scrutiny and found wanting. No we do not agree as I undermined the claim in my first response. Heck you are repeating hearsay if it is not your experience.

Shad...the vast majority of people in existence have ESP experiences regularly.....I can't help you evolve to the level where the sixth sense begins to function...nothing that another reincarnation or two won't help...

 

[Shad]

Shad...the vast majority of people in existence have ESP experiences regularly.....I can't help you evolve to the level where the sixth sense begins to function...nothing that another reincarnation or two won't help...

The vast majority of people seem unable to produce enough evidence in controlled studies to make your claim reasonable. You should tell your vast majority to up their game and produce evidence