The Coronation of Christian King Charles III

[Zwing]

You will never know given that you are a Totally Devoted/Committed Heathen Atheist set on a Path.

I was a Christian for most of my life, until God didn’t show up when I needed his protection most. Thus began my self-questioning. I’m sorry if my posts sometimes seem a bit sarcastic; that is only because I bear a bit of a grudge about the foregoing. From your perspective, better an atheist than an antitheist like Hitchens, no?

 

[Elihoenai]

I was a Christian for most of my life, until God didn’t show up when I needed his protection most. Thus began my self-questioning. I’m sorry if my posts sometimes seem a bit sarcastic; that is only because I bear a bit of a grudge about the foregoing. From your perspective, better an atheist than an antitheist like Hitchens, no?

From my Perspective you Must be Totally Devoted/Committed to your Beliefs or don't bother. Really Everything that Exists is Elohim/God regardless of whether or not this is recognised. Believers and Atheists/Non-Believers are Created by Elohim/God.

Have you considered that Elohim/God didn't show up to give protection, as a Message that you are Not Right with Elohim/God? I asked similar question in another thread: Is Jesus Christ Enemy of the State?

 

[Zwing]

Have you considered that Elohim/God didn't show up to give protection, as a Message that you are Not Right with Elohim/God?

I have, but found that that question leads nowhere.

 

[Elihoenai]

I have, but found that that question leads nowhere.

Therefore, from your Perspective, Elohim/God does not exist because didn't show up when you needed Elohim/God. By saying that you found the question about being Not Right with Elohim/God leads nowhere, are you saying that were Faultless Without Sin?

 

[Zwing]

Therefore, from your Perspective, Elohim/God does not exist because didn't show up when you needed Elohim/God.

No. Rather, the personal crisis which ensued because of that caused me to undertake a rational analysis which the concept of deity did not survive.

 

[Elihoenai]

No. Rather, the personal crisis which ensued because of that caused me to undertake a rational analysis which the concept of deity did not survive.

The Critical Question Remains that you have Not Answered. Do you Believe that you, @Zwing, were Sinless/Without Fault at the time of these Events? Were you, @Zwing, a Sinner at the time of these Events?

 

[Zwing]

The Critical Question Remains that you have Not Answered. Do you Believe that you, @Zwing, were Sinless/Without Fault at the time of these Events? Were you, @Zwing, a Sinner at the time of these Events?

A “sinner” in general, or with respect to the situation in question?

 

[Elihoenai]

A “sinner” in general, or with respect to the situation in question?

You have stated that you were a Roman Catholic so obviously you know what being a Sinner means and why there is Confession is Catholicism. I already know the answer to the question and only posing the question for the readers of this thread. You were a Sinner during the whole time being a Roman Catholic, as everybody in Christendom of 2.2 Billion Asserts that they are Sinners and nobody claims to being Sinless/Faultless.

The question is what Sins were you, @Zwing, Committing at the time of the Events when Elohim/God did Not Protect you. The Roman Catholic John F. Kennedy and the American Baptist Martin Luther King Jr. Mocked Elohim/God with their Serial Adultery Flouting Marriage Vows. Elohim/God Withdrew Protection from False Christians John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr..


The Following videos for Mature Adults Only:

JFK Shocking Assassination Film

Martin Luther King Jr. Assassination recalled by Taxi Driver witness

What Sins were you, @Zwing, Committing that caused Elohim/God to Withdraw Protection? And now being an Heathen Atheist, do you Believe that there is such a thing as Sin?

 

[Zwing]

The question is what Sins were you, @Zwing, Committing at the time of the Events when Elohim/God did Not Protect you.

I assume this question to be for my consideration, and that you do no expect an answer thereto. Who can say what his faults are at any time? Who can even know what “fault” (“sin”) might be? Even for the Jews, who have an explicit religious code that they follow, this is practically impossible, for despite the existence of the 613 apparently clear mitzvot (commandments) which have been discerned by the Rabbinate to exist in the Pentateuch, the multivarious ramifications of these rules are nearly impossible to discern and apply within an individual life. This is the subject of Talmud, and if you know the extent of Talmud, you will realize that no man can know it and maintain Torah to perfection.

As for me, I have many of what might be called “faults” or “sins” within the Christian context; I had many at the time in question. Even so , I had faith in “God” at the time, and performed all the major actions that I did as I thought God would desire. That should be good enough. Are you suggesting that a man need be utterly without sin in order to expect God’s protection? Would you be so bold as to suggest that because JFK and MLK had extramarital sex, that they did not merit God’s protection from being shot to death? Rather, I think that because of those actions, they did not merit the families that they had, not that they be shot to death. This suggestion that Christian (or Jewish, or Muslim…) man need be free of sin in order to merit God’s protection is an unreasonable consideration, as no man can ever be without sin…without fault. A God which conducts himself thusly is utterly unreasonable, and would seem to be utterly useless to a sinful, faulty mankind.

 

[Zwing]

Were you, @Zwing, a Sinner at the time of these Events?

To answer this question concisely, “of F’ing course”… are you not a sinner at this very moment?? Who is ever not “a sinner”… who is ever utterly without fault?

 

[exchemist]

I Affirmed in post #383 that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are Pagan and that Paganism is Elohim/God Flesh:

[snip]

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are controlled by the Universal Roman Catholic Church that Elohim/God has given Dominion over the Earth.

Elohim/God is Flesh, Soul and Spirit. The True Elohim/God is Everything that Exists.

This makes no sense whatever.

 

[exchemist]

Okay sir, I'm getting tired of you quoting things and then making replies that have no relationship of what you've said. Clearly, you have problems with thinking clearly, and are not able to carry on a sensible conversation. You are probably a very nice person, but I dont' see how we can talk. Be well.

Surely "Get well"?

 

[Elihoenai]

I assume this question to be for my consideration, and that you do no expect an answer thereto. Who can say what his faults are at any time? Who can even know what “fault” (“sin”) might be? Even for the Jews, who have an explicit religious code that they follow, this is practically impossible, for despite the existence of the 613 apparently clear mitzvot (commandments) which have been discerned by the Rabbinate to exist in the Pentateuch, the multivarious ramifications of these rules are nearly impossible to discern and apply within an individual life. This is the subject of Talmud, and if you know the extent of Talmud, you will realize that no man can know it and maintain Torah to perfection.

As for me, I have many of what might be called “faults” or “sins” within the Christian context; I had many at the time in question. Even so , I had faith in “God” at the time, and performed all the major actions that I did as I thought God would desire. That should be good enough. Are you suggesting that a man need be utterly without sin in order to expect God’s protection? Would you be so bold as to suggest that because JFK and MLK had extramarital sex, that they did not merit God’s protection from being shot to death? Rather, I think that because of those actions, they did not merit the families that they had, not that they be shot to death. This suggestion that Christian (or Jewish, or Muslim…) man need be free of sin in order to merit God’s protection is an unreasonable consideration, as no man can ever be without sin…without fault. A God which conducts himself thusly is utterly unreasonable, and would seem to be utterly useless to a sinful, faulty mankind.

Romans 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Some good points made above.

No, I don't expect you to answer about the Sins you were Committing, as this is for Private Consideration.

Indeed, it's not only 2.2 Billion Christians that know they are Sinners, also Jews practising Judaism and Muslims know they are Sinners. Yet, neither Christianity, Islam or Judaism has found the Solution to Overcoming Sin. These Religions are Actually Left-Hand Path Religions Maintaining and Promoting Sin for Elohim's/God's Earthly Kingdom.

It's True that Jews Practising Judaism Confess that they are Not able to keep the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) they are Preaching. It's Impossible to keep all the Laws from an Earthly Perspective.

Obviously the Standards of your Faith was Not Enough to Warrant Elohim's/God's Protection otherwise you would have Received Protection from Elohim/God.

I Do Not Commit any External Sins and because of this I Am Under Elohim's/God's Protection.

In regards to John F. Kennedy and the American Baptist Martin Luther King Jr., I'm saying that Elohim/God Killed both of them as well as Withdrawing Protection because of their Mocking of Elohim/God with Serial Adultery. In the Same Way Elohim/God Killed Charles I by Cutting Off His Head for Persecuting Elohim's/God's Devout Puritans.

 

[Elihoenai]

To answer this question concisely, “of F’ing course”… are you not a sinner at this very moment?? Who is ever not “a sinner”… who is ever utterly without fault?

Job 9:24

24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?


Only One Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ became Without Sin/Without Fault. Everything Else is a Lie.

Some people are Greater Sinners than others. The Greatest Sinners and Elohim's/God's Earthly Elect are the Inverted Cross Practitioners. Inverted Cross Practice has been going on for thousands of years and did Not start in the 1930's in Germany.

Fury Ending Credits

Charles Manson

 

[Elihoenai]

[snip]

This makes no sense whatever.

It appears to make no Sense. When Devout Jews attempted to Rebel against Rome three times it was decisively put down and the Devout Annihilated. From the Final Jewish Rebellion onwards Jews have been under the Control of the Roman Catholic Church.

If you are willing to take the time to watch this video, learn about the Relationship between the Universal Roman Catholic Church and Islam.


Did Catholicism Create Islam? The True Origins of the Islam Revealed | The Islamic Connection

The Universal Roman Catholic Church is at the Pinnacle of Elohim's/God's Earthly Power.

 

[exchemist]

It appears to make no Sense. When Devout Jews attempted to Rebel against Rome three times it was decisively put down and the Devout Annihilated. From the Final Jewish Rebellion onwards Jews have been under the Control of the Roman Catholic Church.

If you are willing to take the time to watch this video, learn about the Relationship between the Universal Roman Catholic Church and Islam.


Did Catholicism Create Islam? The True Origins of the Islam Revealed | The Islamic Connection

The Universal Roman Catholic Church is at the Pinnacle of Elohim's/God's Earthly Power.

I'm not watching videos unless you can show me they come from a recognised, trustworthy source. Crank videos are two a penny and I'm sorry to say that you have the air of a crank, if not someone with a disturbed mind.

For example, the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity was Constantine, who lived two centuries after the 3rd Jewish revolt. Christians were persecuted by the Roman Empire at the time. So it's nothing short of bat**** crazy to suggest there was a Roman Catholic church directing the suppression of the Jews at that time.

Stop posting mad rubbish, please.

 

[Zwing]

I won’t bother to address all of your multivarious assertions, @Elihoenai, but I would suggest that you get out more, that you may contextualize your thoughts. Do you attend church on Sunday?

 

[Elihoenai]

I won’t bother to address all of your multivarious assertions, @Elihoenai, but I would suggest that you get out more, that you may contextualize your thoughts. Do you attend church on Sunday?

Acts 26:24

24 And, he thus making a defence, Festus with a loud voice said, `Thou art mad, Paul; much learning doth turn thee mad;'


Assertions or Suggestions that I'm Mad/Crazy is Fulfilment of Holy Scripture/Bible and is a Compliment: The Coronation of Christian King Charles III

I don't expect any person on these Forums to believe the content I posted in #433, #434, and #435. I know with Absolute Certainty Supernaturally that the Universal Roman Catholic Church Controls Christianity, Islam and Judaism and only posted material for the Earthly that Depend on Factual Info.



In post #429 you said this, The Coronation of Christian King Charles III:
"...Are you suggesting that a man need be utterly without sin in order to expect God’s protection? Would you be so bold as to suggest that because JFK and MLK had extramarital sex, that they did not merit God’s protection from being shot to death? Rather, I think that because of those actions, they did not merit the families that they had, not that they be shot to death. This suggestion that Christian (or Jewish, or Muslim…) man need be free of sin in order to merit God’s protection is an unreasonable consideration, as no man can ever be without sin…without fault. A God which conducts himself thusly is utterly unreasonable, and would seem to be utterly useless to a sinful, faulty mankind...."

No, I'm not suggesting that a Man be Utterly Without Sin to Warrant Elohim's/God's Protection. What Elohim/God Demands for his Protection is Sincerity Against Sin in your Religious Walk as a Christian, Muslim or Jew Practising Judaism. Continuously having Affairs with Many Women is Not the same as Falling into Sin by looking at a Woman lustfully for a Few seconds and doing nothing about it. Elohim/God Killed the Fake Christians John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. as well as Withdrawing Protection because of their Mocking of Elohim/God with their Serial Adultery Flouting Marriage Vows.

Do you understand that your Behaviour determines whether or Not Elohim/God Protects you? Serial Adulterers, Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Child Abusers, Rapists and such like are Not given Elohim's/God's Protection. Do you, @Zwing, think otherwise?


Doubt (2/10) Movie CLIP - I Am Concerned (2008) HD

 

[Zwing]

Do you understand that your Behaviour determines whether or Not Elohim/God Protects you? Serial Adulterers, Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Child Abusers, Rapists and such like are Not given Elohim's/God's Protection. Do you, @Zwing, think otherwise?

Well, of course. Since I disbelieve in deity, I cannot believe that any god, including God, exists to withhold its protection from men. Let me say, though, that what you suggest seems to me to discredit the theistic paradigm in it’s anthropomorphism. You attribute to a being which is supposed to be infinite and transcendent attributes which suggest finity and mundanity. Would a God whose being suffuses the universe be likely to “play favorites”, using reward as a means of segregating its mortal creations? It seems to me that the way which we have come to conceptualize God as a “judge” indicates that it is we humans who have created a “God” which has our own very human characteristics. Would a hypothetical God who is truly transcendent engage in something so mundane as “judging” according to criteria which are utterly subjective?

EDIT: I can tell you how I felt about this subject when I was a Christian. Then, I believed that I was redeemed from sin by Christ’s propitiating sacrifice of himself for mankind. Because of that, I did not feel that I had to be perfect to warrant God’s protection. In fact, I expected God’s protection of myself in situations within which I could not discern danger; I felt that protection of myself was God’s part in our partnership of faith. I guess that because I never believed 100% fully in an afterlife, I expected that God owed me something in this life in exchange for my faithfulness and trying to be “good”.

 

[Elihoenai]

Well, of course. Since I disbelieve in deity, I cannot believe that any god, including God, exists to withhold its protection from men. Let me say, though, that what you suggest seems to me to discredit the theistic paradigm in it’s anthropomorphism. You attribute to a being which is supposed to be infinite and transcendent attributes which suggest finity and mundanity. Would a God whose being suffuses the universe be likely to “play favorites”, using reward as a means of segregating its mortal creations? It seems to me that the way which we have come to conceptualize God as a “judge” indicates that it is we humans who have created a “God” which has our own very human characteristics. Would a hypothetical God who is truly transcendent engage in something so mundane as “judging” according to criteria which are utterly subjective?

Job 9:24

24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?


Elohim/God is Flesh, Soul and Spirit. The True Elohim/God is Everything that exists Being Omni. Satan/Devil is Elohim/God in its Lowest Flesh Form. Sinners are children of the Devil/Satan. Apart from a Few hundred/thousand Elect, every person the Planet are Evil Children of the Satan/Devil.

My Christian Gnosticism differs from Traditional Christian Gnosticism:

Gnosticism

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός, romanized: gnōstikós, Koine Greek: [ɣnostiˈkos], 'having knowledge') is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects. These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the proto-orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions. Gnostic cosmogony generally presents a distinction between a supreme, hidden God and a malevolent lesser divinity (sometimes associated with the Yahweh of the Old Testament) who is responsible for creating the material universe. Consequently, Gnostics considered material existence flawed or evil, and held the principal element of salvation to be direct knowledge of the hidden divinity, attained via mystical or esoteric insight. Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment.

Gnosticism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@Zwing Your belief that Sinners, such as, Pedophile Child Abusers should be protected by Elohim/God is the same Belief Held by the Universal Roman Catholic Church. Pedophile Roman Catholic Priests are Protected by the Universal Church. Do you agree with the Universal Church's Protection of Pedophile Priests?


Doubt (4/10) Movie CLIP - Supper Time (2008) HD

EDIT: I can tell you how I felt about this subject when I was a Christian. Then, I believed that I was redeemed from sin by Christ’s propitiating sacrifice of himself for mankind. Because of that, I did not feel that I had to be perfect to warrant God’s protection. In fact, I expected God’s protection of myself in situations within which I could not discern danger; I felt that protection of myself was God’s part in our partnership of faith. I guess that because I never believed 100% fully in an afterlife, I expected that God owed me something in this life in exchange for my faithfulness and trying to be “good”.

2 Corinthians 11:3

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


Everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God and Ordained by Elohim/God. The Faith that you had was Not Enough to Warrant Elohim's/God's Protection, otherwise you have received Elohim's/God's Protection. It is the Will of Elohim/God that you be an Heathen Atheist, otherwise you would Not be an Heathen Atheist.