The Coronation of Christian King Charles III

[Elihoenai]

1 Kings 1:34-45

Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anointed Solomon king.
And all the people rejoiced and said:
God save the King! Long live the King! God save the King!
May the King live for ever. Amen. Hallelujah.


On 6 May 2023 Christian King Charles III will be Crowned in a Coronation Ceremony symbolising Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers.

The last Coronation we had in England was almost 70 years ago with the Crowning of Christian Queen Elizabeth II.

Zadok the Priest

What are you thoughts on the Coronation? Do you think King Charles III has Real Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers? Do you believe that King Charles III is a practising Christian? Is the British Crown Christian and not necessarily the Monarch that sits on the Throne? Given that British King is head of the Church of England, does this mean that the King must be a Christian?
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[Revoltingest]

What are you thoughts on the Coronation?
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It's silly, anachronistic, & wasteful.
But hey, it keeps the Brits & its subservient countries (eg, Australia, Canucksitan) happy.

 

[ratiocinator]

It's silly, anachronistic, & wasteful.

Definitely.

But hey, it keeps the Brits & its subservient countries (eg, Australia, Canucksitan) happy.

Some of us. And it attracts tourists. I'm told Americans like all the pointless pageantry and royalist guff.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, I do believe he is a Christian representative of a Nation.
And he is the temporal leader of a Christian Church.
He represents the unity of the Church of England.
The spiritual power is owned by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

It's very similar to the RCC, but the difference is that the Pope owns both the temporal and the spiritual power of the Church of Rome.

 

[Revoltingest]

Definitely.


Some of us. And it attracts tourists. I'm told Americans like all the pointless pageantry and royalist guff.

I do admit to finding it entertaining, but only when
we see their family squabbling...such drama queens.
But I don't want to offend @lewisnotmiller & that
@Evangelicalhumanist guy...I know they love their
royal family, & send them money for support.

 

[ratiocinator]

I do admit to finding it entertaining, but only when
we see their family squabbling...such drama queens.

Guess there's the soap opera aspect, but you can get that from most celebrities.

 

[ratiocinator]

I know they love their
royal family, & send them money for support.

More money is not something they need...

 

[Revoltingest]

Guess there's the soap opera aspect, but you can get that from most celebrities.

Combine celebrity with royalty, rape, fist fighting, racism,
whining, pomp, shaming, shunning, worship, religion,
& billionaire lifestyles...now that's entertainment!

 

[Revoltingest]

More money is not something they need...

Tell that to the royal worshipers.

 

[Callisto]

What are you thoughts on the Coronation? Do you think King Charles III has Real Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers? Do you believe that King Charles III is a practising Christian? Is the British Crown Christian and not necessarily the Monarch that sits on the Throne? Given that British King is head of the Church of England, does this mean that the King must be a Christian?
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No, he's a mere mortal in his senior years - other than wealth, he's just another pensioner. I don't know about his personal practices or whether he considers himself "more spiritual than religious" these days. He seems to have an interest in all religions and reportedly wanted to change the oath to say "Defender of faith" (instead of "Defender of The Faith"), but whoever decides such things said no.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What are you thoughts on the Coronation?

I think even in Solomon's case it was and is a compromise with the ideal which is governance by perfect laws seared into minds. Today's monarchs face great scrutiny for additional reasons, but overall Charles and Solomon have similar coronations.

Do you think King Charles III has Real Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers? Do you believe that King Charles III is a practising Christian? Is the British Crown Christian and not necessarily the Monarch that sits on the Throne?

If he exercises his powers they will become stronger, as long as he doesn't overdo it.

Given that British King is head of the Church of England, does this mean that the King must be a Christian?

As an Anglican he should inquire about what course of action will strengthen moral courage and urgency in all of his citizens and not only baptized persons. Perhaps he also has some duties to the baptized, but he is supposed to help all

 

[ratiocinator]

Some valid points here. Also, apparently only 9% of us Brits "care a great deal" about the coronation while 64% of us "don’t care very much or care at all".

Now we know how fabulously wealthy Charles is, why can’t he pay for his own coronation? | Norman Baker

If the king wants to be a moderniser, he won’t let UK taxpayers pick up the bill for this self-serving tradition, says former Lib Dem MP Norman Baker

www.theguardian.com

 

[exchemist]

1 Kings 1:34-45

Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anointed Solomon king.
And all the people rejoiced and said:
God save the King! Long live the King! God save the King!
May the King live for ever. Amen. Hallelujah.


On 6 May 2023 Christian King Charles III will be Crowned in a Coronation Ceremony symbolising Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers.

The last Coronation we had in England was almost 70 years ago with the Crowning of Christian Queen Elizabeth II.

Zadok the Priest

What are you thoughts on the Coronation? Do you think King Charles III has Real Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers? Do you believe that King Charles III is a practising Christian? Is the British Crown Christian and not necessarily the Monarch that sits on the Throne? Given that British King is head of the Church of England, does this mean that the King must be a Christian?
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Being Supreme Governor of the Church of England seems a bit of an anachronism now. I think the C of E should probably be disestablished, now that the Reformation is so far behind us. But as it happens I think Chaz is a Christian of sorts.

As for the ritual, I think it's a good thing to do. The role of tradition and ritual is rather underappreciated and often misunderstood in modern times, I think. It's an occasion, an excuse for a bit of national celebration, a bit of national pride, not in an unhealthy way, a reminder of British history and identity and makes a welcome change from the ghastliness and venality of our politics.

While I think the cost of the royal family in its present form is too much to justify, I am on balance a monarchist. One look at the elected presidents around the world is enough to convince me that a presidential system would be no better - and could easily be worse. Chaz I gather wants to slim it down and make it more inclusive, and I'd like to give him the chance to try that out.

Charles I think is a decent bloke, his poor marriage notwithstanding, - and has actually been about 30 years ahead of his time when it comes to his crusades for protecting the environment and respecting nature. So I'm willing to let him be king and see what he can make of it.

(Zadok the Priest is great fun to sing by the way. The 1st bass part is splendid.)

 

[DNB]

1 Kings 1:34-45

Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anointed Solomon king.
And all the people rejoiced and said:
God save the King! Long live the King! God save the King!
May the King live for ever. Amen. Hallelujah.


On 6 May 2023 Christian King Charles III will be Crowned in a Coronation Ceremony symbolising Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers.

The last Coronation we had in England was almost 70 years ago with the Crowning of Christian Queen Elizabeth II.

Zadok the Priest

What are you thoughts on the Coronation? Do you think King Charles III has Real Christian Spiritual and Temporal Powers? Do you believe that King Charles III is a practising Christian? Is the British Crown Christian and not necessarily the Monarch that sits on the Throne? Given that British King is head of the Church of England, does this mean that the King must be a Christian?
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The reign of David & Solomon were still a theocracy, in that the Israeli constitution was based solely on God's decrees and the prophecies of Samuel, Ahithophel and Nathan. Under the Jewish kings men were punished who transgressed God's laws, the priests performed their daily rituals and sacrifices according to the Levitical law, men ate kosher and obeyed the sabbath.

King Charles does not rule an empire that, by constitutional obligation, reveres God nor obeys His precepts - no one is condemned for blaspheming God, nor are they ostracized or stigmatized for professing atheism or any other pagan religion. Christianity, in regard to the British monarchy, is just a vestige of the 16th century and bears very little significance as far as the faith of the populace is concerned, or the devotion and reverence of the king or queen themselves - they do not evangelize, nor probably can they even quote Scripture astutely.

 

[exchemist]

The reign of David & Solomon were still a theocracy, in that the Israeli constitution was based solely on God's decrees and the prophecies of Samuel, Ahithophel and Nathan. Under the Jewish kings men were punished who transgressed God's laws, the priests performed their daily rituals and sacrifices according to the Levitical law, men ate kosher and obeyed the sabbath.

King Charles does not rule an empire that, by constitutional obligation, reveres God nor obeys His precepts - no one is condemned for blaspheming God, nor are they ostracized or stigmatized for professing atheism or any other pagan religion. Christianity, in regard to the British monarchy, is just a vestige of medieval times and bears very little significance as far as the faith of the populace is concerned, or the devotion and reverence of the king or queen themselves - they do not evangelize, nor probably can they even quote Scripture astutely.

Yes. However on one point, the explicitly religious role of the monarch - as Supreme Governor of the C of E - is a relic of the Reformation rather than being Medieval, surely?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Support for the monarchy is waning but I doubt we will see it gone before several decades. I have nothing personally against Charles, and it makes no difference who gets the job really - apart from the obvious ninnies.

Monarchy to me is just an anachronism from the past that its supporters refuse to see as such, and even if there might be some downsides to its removal, I would hope the gains made would balance these out.

 

[Callisto]

Support for the monarchy is waning but I doubt we will see it gone before several decades. I have nothing personally against Charles, and it makes no difference who gets the job really - apart from the obvious ninnies.

Monarchy to me is just an anachronism from the past that its supporters refuse to see as such, and even if there might be some downsides to its removal, I would hope the gains made would balance these out.

I think the monarchy will remain so long as the amount of tourism revenue they generate exceeds their expense to tax payers. If and when net profits dwindle, that will be the beginning of its end.

 

[exchemist]

I think the monarchy will remain so long as the amount of tourism revenue they generate exceeds their expense to tax payers. If and when net profits dwindle, that will be the beginning of its end.

I see your point but I think that's too rational. Tourists may come to enjoy its Ruritanian quaintness, but that's not what the monarchy is really about.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It's silly, anachronistic, & wasteful.
But hey, it keeps the Brits & its subservient countries (eg, Australia, Canucksitan) happy.

Yeah, we all do that differently. It is moral and cultural relativism and so is your post and mine.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, I do believe he is a Christian representative of a Nation.
And he is the temporal leader of a Christian Church.
He represents the unity of the Church of England.
The spiritual power is owned by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

It's very similar to the RCC, but the difference is that the Pope owns both the temporal and the spiritual power of the Church of Rome.

You don't know what you are talking about (not for the first time). It is utterly different. The monarch is not the religious head of the church. He or she is the Supreme Governor. The name was carefully chosen to show that the monarch is not responsible for religious matters of doctrine, tradition, ceremony etc. The job is to "conserve and maintain" the Church of England.