The Creationistic Method and Why It Is Fraudulent

[Super Universe]

The Lambda-CDM model *is* the Big Bang model. GR *is* the theory of gravity.

Lambda is the big bang? No, it's background radiation which says that space is cold and it's the distribution of galaxies which says that "We don't know why they are separated" and it's hydrogen which says that "There are a lot of elements out there but mostly hydrogen" and it's the expansion of the universe which says "Big bang not likely the cause".

 

[Super Universe]

You can't say "Space is cold thus the big bang did it."

 

[Polymath257]

Lambda is the big bang? No, it's background radiation which says that space is cold and it's the distribution of galaxies which says that "We don't know why they are separated" and it's hydrogen which says that "There are a lot of elements out there but mostly hydrogen" and it's the expansion of the universe which says "Big bang not likely the cause".

From previous link:

The ΛCDM (Lambda cold dark matter) or Lambda-CDM model is a parametrization of the Big Bang cosmological model in which the universe contains a cosmological constant, denoted by Lambda (Greek Λ), associated with dark energy, and cold dark matter (abbreviated CDM). It is frequently referred to as the standard model of Big Bang cosmology.

 

[Super Universe]

General relativity - Wikipedia

Physical cosmology - Wikipedia

Do you have anything that provides evidence of the big bang?

 

[Mister Silver]

Do you have anything that provides evidence of the big bang?

If you're simply going to ignore anything in relation to science, then what is the point in providing you with that which you will always dismiss?

 

[Super Universe]

From previous link:

The ΛCDM (Lambda cold dark matter) or Lambda-CDM model is a parametrization of the Big Bang cosmological model in which the universe contains a cosmological constant, denoted by Lambda (Greek Λ), associated with dark energy, and cold dark matter (abbreviated CDM). It is frequently referred to as the standard model of Big Bang cosmology.

Cosmological constant is the increasing expansion of space. How is that proof that everything came from one singularity?

Where is dark energy in the big bang?

Where is cold dark matter in the big bang?

 

[Polymath257]

Do you have anything that provides evidence of the big bang?

You agreed that the Lambda-CDM model is supported by the evidence and my link shows that the Lambda-CMD model *is* the standard model for the Big Bang.

 

[Super Universe]

You agreed that the Lambda-CDM model is supported by the evidence and my link shows that the Lambda-CMD model *is* the standard model for the Big Bang.

Do you have any evidence that proves the big bang?

 

[Super Universe]

By all means, allow us to get more "on topic" with your anti-science spiels.

Me, I'd rather discuss science for that it is, a reality.

Can we expect an on topic post anytime soon?

Here, I will help you, how did gravity allow the big bang to happen?

 

[Mister Silver]

You're asking the wrong question. How would gravity have allowed it? Gravity is something formed on a planet after the planet has reached it's potential to allow gravity. The big bang in relation to earth allowed for gravity to become a thing, not the other way around.

 

[Super Universe]

You're asking the wrong question. How would gravity have allowed it? Gravity is something formed on a planet after the planet has reached it's potential to allow gravity. The big bang in relation to earth allowed for gravity to become a thing, not the other way around.

Gravity is something that forms on a planet after the planet has reached it's potential? Science does not allow a law to turn on after a certain point.

Tiny meteorites have gravity. It's just that unlike the other forces gravity is cumulative, meaning, the more matter you get the stronger gravity becomes all the way up to black holes that don't even allow light to exit. A big bang would have been a massive black hole. It could have never banged.

 

[Mister Silver]

Gravity is something that forms on a planet after the planet has reached it's potential? Science does not allow a law to turn on after a certain point.

Tiny meteorites have gravity. It's just that unlike the other forces gravity is cumulative, meaning, the more matter you get the stronger gravity becomes all the way up to black holes that don't even allow light to exit. A big bang would have been a massive black hole. It could have never banged.

You do realize there's no gravity in space, right?

Therefore, the logical explanation is that gravity formed on the planet after the planet allowed for it's presence.

If you cannot understand that, then you're apologetics aren't going to solve anything except allow the rest of us realize just how ignorant you are.

 

[Polymath257]

You do realize there's no gravity in space, right?

While a popular notion, this is false. While rare, SU is correct about this one: *all* mass has gravity. A good way to think about it is to realize that the moon orbits the Earth and the Earth orbits the sun because of gravity.

Therefore, the logical explanation is that gravity formed on the planet after the planet allowed for it's presence.

The gas and diust that were prior to the planet also had gravity. In fact, the total amount for a given mass is the same.

If you cannot understand that, then you're apologetics aren't going to solve anything except allow the rest of us realize just how ignorant you are.

In this case, you are the one who is wrong. SU, as hard as it is to believe, is correct in this one case.

He is wrong, of course, about the BB being negated by gravity or that the BB was a black hole. But that is just normal for him.

 

[Mister Silver]

While a popular notion, this is false. While rare, SU is correct about this one: *all* mass has gravity. A good way to think about it is to realize that the moon orbits the Earth and the Earth orbits the sun because of gravity.



The gas and diust that were prior to the planet also had gravity. In fact, the total amount for a given mass is the same.



In this case, you are the one who is wrong. SU, as hard as it is to believe, is correct in this one case.

I have no qualms in admitting that I am wrong. Science was never my strongest subject. It's why I tend to leave it to others who are more knowledgeable. But at least I know science is the way to go.

 

[Super Universe]

You do realize there's no gravity in space, right?

Therefore, the logical explanation is that gravity formed on the planet after the planet allowed for it's presence.

If you cannot understand that, then you're apologetics aren't going to solve anything except allow the rest of us realize just how ignorant you are.

Do I realize there is no gravity in space? Not completely true, the force of gravity falls off with the square of the distance so it's effect is insignificant far away from a large object.

Logical explanation is that gravity formed on a planet after the planet formed? That is not science. No scientist believes that and they would laugh you out of the classroom. There is no way for gravity to turn on.

You're listening to the scientists because you are angry at religion but you don't even have a basic understanding of science. And then you call me ignorant. Great. Gravity turns on after a planet forms? Sheesh...

 

[Super Universe]

I have no qualms in admitting that I am wrong. Science was never my strongest subject. It's why I tend to leave it to others who are more knowledgeable. But at least I know science is the way to go.

So, you called me ignorant and you were the one who doesn't know science.

Why? Because to you God can't exist, right? Because you think He would have provided you with the life you want.

Science is the way to go? It is. We have no other way to prove God, but scientists are humans. Humans get it wrong and they get in line. New ideas have to be snuck in. I'm the sneak.

 

[Mister Silver]

Why? Because to you God can't exist, right? Because you think He would have provided you with the life you want.

Now who's off topic.

 

[Super Universe]

Now who's off topic.

Okay, you explain it then.

 

[Mister Silver]

Okay, you explain it then.

Ask about it in the appropriate thread.

 

[sayak83]

The big bang theory is the theory of the expansion of space? Is it now? Then how come they have recently come up with this dark energy idea? How does a big bang cause an accelerating expansion? It doesn't.

What proof of a hot denser past universe?

There were specific predictions on element abundance of the universe, the temperature and anisotropy profile of the microwave radiation and temperature of the neutrino background, that the hot past condition of the universe necessitated. These predictions were confirmed by observation decades after they were made, and no other theory predicted these.

The rate of expansion is an input to the Big Bang theory and not a prediction of it. As the links in my earlier reply shows, the Big Bang theory provides three solutions. One for a universe where expansion is speeding up, one where expansion rate is constant and one where expansion rate is slowing down. The observations determine which of the three cases is actually happening for our universe. The predictions of the Big Bang works for any of the three cases.