The creator did it.

[Subduction Zone]

..these are too funny..

It's kind of tragic, though, that these are considered 'scientific rebuttals!', here in Progresso World.
/shakes head/

No, they are facts. Seriously your education in genetics is sorely lacking. You asked idiotic questions that told anyone that has any knowledge at all of genetics that you have no clue. Asking idiotic questions only makes you look like an idiot. I know that you do not want that. When you ask pathetic questions that only tell people of your ignorance no rebuttal is needed.


Try asking questions politely and properly and people will try to help you to learn. Until then you are merely the Dunning/Kruger poster boy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ROFL!!

These are great, typical replies.. laden, as usual, with compelling scientific evidence..

Seriously? You really think that these ad hom streams are 'rational!, scientific!' Replies?


Ignore the question all you want. You only expose yourselves as propagandists, not scientific minded debaters..

HOW did/does alleged fusing or splitting of dissimilar chromosomes, with dissimilar genes, 'create!' a new species? This cannot be demonstrated, or observed. It is a belief, with no scientific evidence.

This is what you believe, allegedly, about the origin of man.. a split chromosome from an ape/man ancestor, that branched into the 2 species today. How? Demonstrate it. Observe it. Else you merely promote a religious belief as 'science!' AKA, 'pseudo science.'

Dude! You don't even know what scientific evidence is. How can you demand that which is beyond you? Would you like to learn? We do not need to even discuss evolution. But once again your questions were rather idiotic to say the least.

You don't get to facepalm when you made yourself look like a fool.

 

[usfan]

No, they are facts. Seriously your education in genetics is sorely lacking. You asked idiotic questions that told anyone that has any knowledge at all of genetics that you have no clue. Asking idiotic questions only makes you look like an idiot. I know that you do not want that. When you ask pathetic questions that only tell people of your ignorance no rebuttal is needed.


Try asking questions politely and properly and people will try to help you to learn. Until then you are merely the Dunning/Kruger poster boy.

Just doubling down.



I will leave you with your insults and ad hominem streams.. you obviously have no rational arguments.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just doubling down.



I will leave you with your insults and ad hominem streams.. you obviously have no rational arguments.

Yes, you tend to do that when you write rather stupid posts.

And please, don't lie. If your God is real he does not like that. There were no insults. There was no ad hominem in my posts. You still do not understand that concept. There was only corrections. Instead of sticking your head in the sand why don't you ask serious questions? Once again, stupid questions only makes one look stupid.

If you ask questions politely you will get polite answers.

 

[Audie]

Yes, you tend to do that when you write rather stupid posts.

And please, don't lie. If your God is real he does not like that. There were no insults. There was no ad hominem in my posts. You still do not understand that concept. There was only corrections. Instead of sticking your head in the sand why don't you ask serious questions? Once again, stupid questions only makes one look stupid.

If you ask questions politely you will get polite answers.

Hardly anything we see here is more thoroughly
ignorant than the claims of "ad hom"such as those.

 

[gnostic]

The Baha'i view is God is the 'Source' and not 'confusing' the Quantum World with God.

Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes in God as the Transcendental consciousness, being the ultimate and eternal 'Source.' Brahman from the perspective of many Hindus.

But you understand the differences between what you believe in and what are falsifiable in reality...or more precisely, “in the natural world”, and you know that science don’t deal with unfalsifiable transcendent beings or Consciousness.

That’s because you have both education and work experiences in the field of science. So you don’t let your religious belief to interfere with the evidences that support scientific theories and evidences that don’t support failed theories.

 

[usfan]

Hardly anything we see here is more thoroughly ignorant than the claims of "ad hom"such as those.

Pile on! I don't care.

Neither fallacies nor bullying intimidates me. I deal in Truth and Reason, and it is sufficient.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If anything is a 'religion!!' these days, it is the belief in universal common descent.. aka evolution.

That's funny.

1.No science to support it. It cannot be observed or repeated.

There is plenty of evidence supporting it. One line of evidence is DNA and comparative genomics.

2. The devoted followers defend their faith with jihadist zeal.

Example?

3. Any questioning of the facts or theories behind it are attacked with demeaning buzzwords. 'Denier!' 'Hater!' 'Superstitious fundie nutter!!'

Those are reserved for people who deny the evidence when placed in front of them. And young earth creationists.

4. Devoted proselytizers gain positions of authority in all human institutions, ban any competitive view, and mandate exclusive indoctrination of their religious beliefs.

Example?

5. Bobbleheaded indoctrinees can recite all the memorized talking points, but don't have a clue what the science is.

Example?

You really love the turn "bobblehead," eh?

Now THAT is a shining example of promoting a religious belief, and smearing the competition..

What examples?

 

[shunyadragon]

Assume whatever you want.. that is the progressive Way. But you are wrong. I tapped that out in a few minutes this morning. they are my words, and your accusation of plagiarism is false and unevidenced.

Assumptions AND ad hominem.. favorite fallacies for the progressive indoctrinee!

Excellent self-reflection of your problems with science.

 

[shunyadragon]

Pile on! I don't care.

Neither fallacies nor bullying intimidates me. I deal in Truth and Reason, and it is sufficient.

No truth and reason here, just an ignorance of science and a (very very) strong religious bias against science.

 

[shunyadragon]

HOW did/does alleged fusing or splitting of dissimilar chromosomes, with dissimilar genes, 'create!' a new species? This cannot be demonstrated, or observed. It is a belief, with no scientific evidence.

The scientists do not propose that fusing or splitting of dissimilar chromosomes, with dissimilar genes, 'create!' a new species?

Please cite specifically in scientific literature where scientists propose such Creationist nonsense

This is what you believe, allegedly, about the origin of man.. a split chromosome from an ape/man ancestor, that branched into the 2 species today. How? Demonstrate it. Observe it. Else you merely promote a religious belief as 'science!' AKA, 'pseudo science.'

No this is not what is proposed concerning human evolution.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Can you fuse 2 pair of chromosomes from a human and produce an ape, with completely different genes, chromosomal makeup, and architecture? No. If they were the same, genetically, there might be some credence for a chromosome fusion theory. Merely counting chromosome pairs does not make an ape into a man, or vice versa.
A sable antelope has 23 chromosome pairs.. did it come from the ape, too?
A potato has 24 pairs. Did man descend from a potato?

..and i don't mean the potato headed posters on this forum, who blindly follow their beliefs, claiming 'Science!', but are clueless about scientific methodology.

Aren't you the one always going on about insults and ad homs?
Perhaps a long look in the mirror might do you some good and help you deal with those projection issues.

 

[gnostic]

A sable antelope has 23 chromosome pairs.. did it come from the ape, too?
A potato has 24 pairs. Did man descend from a potato?

Apart from your badly misinformed claims above, which are nothing more than strawman, you displayed you have no understanding of chromosomes and DNA, no understanding of basic genetics and genetics that involved in evolution.

You have been repeatedly making falsely comparisons of different animals that no biologists would make such impossible and unsupported comparisons.

You impossible comparisons are something no biologists would make.

But think about this below:

If you were to believe in Genesis 2 literally, then God MAGICALLY TURNED “dust” into a fully-grown, living male human.

This dust-tuned-into-man is just impossible as you comparing antelope to ape, or to potato to man.

All you are doing is using strawman, false equivalence and red herring fallacies.

You are the one who believe in god and Jesus. I just wondered if you were there with them with now, how they would judge you for bearing false witness?

 

[Kk4mds]

Religion is concerned with the who;
Science studies the how.
There is no conflict between believing in the existence G-d and science.

 

[gnostic]

Religion is concerned with the who;
Science studies the how.
There is no conflict between believing in the existence G-d and science.

True, but science deal with physical and natural world, not the spiritual or supernatural world.

Science can only work with what are falsifiable and with the available evidences.

What creationists like usfan don’t understand that there are no physical evidences that can be presented where anyone can detect, measure or test god.

And that’s what make any religious belief unfalsifiable.

Yes, religion is “concerned with the WHO”, but it never “explain” WHO this is.

The Tanakh, Bible or the Qur’an never explain really anything. These books “described” in their respective narratives, but they never “explain”.

With science, it tried to “explain” both WHAT it is and HOW does it work.

 

[Kk4mds]

The who is G-d. Genesis 1:1 starts with
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ׃
When G-d began to create heaven and earth—
There is no explanation as to His origin and nature. So, either you believe or you do not. There is nothing to falsify because, unlike science, belief in G-d is not based on observable empirical evidence, deductive reasoning, and testable conclusions. As a result, there is no way to prove or disprove His existence, nor should we try. Therefore, science has no interest in the question and does not deny His existence. So, no conflict.

As Robert L. Dorit said, “The hand of G-d may well be all around us, but it is not, nor can it be, the task of science to dust for fingerprints.”

 

[usfan]

I've looked for rational, scientific arguments and evidence, but just get assertions and fallacies. This is just a one way arcade, for unscientifically minded religious bigots, to lash out at a competing worldview. There is not even an ATTEMPT to debate the matter scientifically. This is typical, for this subject, with hysterical jihadists defending their beluefs with religious zeal.

But that is not science. It is religious hysteria

So, i will NOT engage in a thread where all there is is dogpiles of ad hom from religious fanatics, desperate to defend their beliefs, when SCIENCE, should be the discussion.

I would be glad to engage in a scientific thread, where scientific evidence and arguments can be made, but these religiouly bigoted 'debates', that center on false accusations, ad hom, rificule, and assertions are of no interest to me.

Your call. Ignore the science and harangue the poster, or show some intelligence and debate the science? Do you dare?

"Deflecting with ad hom and personal berating only deflects from the point. Pretended outrage over projected ignorance is a fallacy and exposes rational impotence."

Science of evolution does not propose that fusing or splitting of dissimilar chromosomes, with dissimilar genes, 'create!' a new species.

I cannot help it if you don't even know what your own theories suggest.

No, they are facts. Seriously your education in genetics is sorely lacking. You asked idiotic questions

And please, don't lie

Accusing of lying, now? I doubt i can have a rational debate with you. I see no evidence that you are capable of that, just fallacies and disruption.

There is plenty of evidence supporting it. One line of evidence is DNA and comparative genomics.

So you believe. So you assert.

You really love the turn "bobblehead," eh?

If the shoe fits..

Though given the misunderstandings about genetics, perhaps 'Potato Head' would be more fitting.

just an ignorance of science and a (very very) strong religious bias against science.

Yes, this seems to describe the irrational common descent believers very well.

No this is not what is proposed concerning human evolution.

Of course it is. You have no awareness of the theories of human origins, from UCD?

Aren't you the one always going on about insults and ad homs?

..to no avail, it seems. I point it out, from time to time, but resisting a proven tactic from progressive indoctrinees is not easy.

Apart from your badly misinformed claims above, which are nothing more than strawman, you displayed you have no understanding of chromosomes and DNA, no understanding of basic genetics and genetics that involved in evolution.

You can speculate about my intelligence, hat size, education, and psychosis in the member interview thread:
Inquisition of usfan
..this thread is supposed to be about science..

 

[shunyadragon]

Just doubling down.



I will leave you with your insults and ad hominem streams.. you obviously have no rational arguments.

Again , , , projecting your own problems without making coherent meaningful posts based on competent references.

 

[shunyadragon]

I've looked for rational, scientific arguments and evidence, but just get assertions and fallacies. This is just a one way arcade, for unscientifically minded religious bigots, to lash out at a competing worldview. There is not even an ATTEMPT to debate the matter scientifically. This is typical, for this subject, with hysterical jihadists defending their beluefs with religious zeal.

But that is not science. It is religious hysteria

So, i will NOT engage in a thread where all there is is dogpiles of ad hom from religious fanatics, desperate to defend their beliefs, when SCIENCE, should be the discussion.

I would be glad to engage in a scientific thread, where scientific evidence and arguments can be made, but these religiouly bigoted 'debates', that center on false accusations, ad hom, rificule, and assertions are of no interest to me.

Your call. Ignore the science and harangue the poster, or show some intelligence and debate the science? Do you dare?

"Deflecting with ad hom and personal berating only deflects from the point. Pretended outrage over projected ignorance is a fallacy and exposes rational impotence."


I cannot help it if you don't even know what your own theories suggest.



Accusing of lying, now? I doubt i can have a rational debate with you. I see no evidence that you are capable of that, just fallacies and disruption.

So you believe. So you assert.

If the shoe fits..

Though given the misunderstandings about genetics, perhaps 'Potato Head' would be more fitting.

Yes, this seems to describe the irrational common descent believers very well.

Of course it is. You have no awareness of the theories of human origins, from UCD?
..to no avail, it seems. I point it out, from time to time, but resisting a proven tactic from progressive indoctrinees is not easy.

You can speculate about my intelligence, hat size, education, and psychosis in the member interview thread:
Inquisition of usfan
..this thread is supposed to be about science..

Still waiting for coherent posts with competent references instead of YOUR stream of personal attacks and other foolishness.

Good riddance to bad rubbish

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've looked for rational, scientific arguments and evidence, but just get assertions and fallacies. This is just a one way arcade, for unscientifically minded religious bigots, to lash out at a competing worldview. There is not even an ATTEMPT to debate the matter scientifically. This is typical, for this subject, with hysterical jihadists defending their beluefs with religious zeal.

But that is not science. It is religious hysteria

So, i will NOT engage in a thread where all there is is dogpiles of ad hom from religious fanatics, desperate to defend their beliefs, when SCIENCE, should be the discussion.

I would be glad to engage in a scientific thread, where scientific evidence and arguments can be made, but these religiouly bigoted 'debates', that center on false accusations, ad hom, rificule, and assertions are of no interest to me.

Your call. Ignore the science and harangue the poster, or show some intelligence and debate the science? Do you dare?

"Deflecting with ad hom and personal berating only deflects from the point. Pretended outrage over projected ignorance is a fallacy and exposes rational impotence."


I cannot help it if you don't even know what your own theories suggest.



Accusing of lying, now? I doubt i can have a rational debate with you. I see no evidence that you are capable of that, just fallacies and disruption.

So you believe. So you assert.

If the shoe fits..

Though given the misunderstandings about genetics, perhaps 'Potato Head' would be more fitting.

Yes, this seems to describe the irrational common descent believers very well.

Of course it is. You have no awareness of the theories of human origins, from UCD?
..to no avail, it seems. I point it out, from time to time, but resisting a proven tactic from progressive indoctrinees is not easy.

You can speculate about my intelligence, hat size, education, and psychosis in the member interview thread:
Inquisition of usfan
..this thread is supposed to be about science..

You need to stop making false accusations of logical fallacies. We have been over this. You do not even understand what an ad hominem fallacy is. One more time, a correction is not a fallacy. You will never learn with this attitude and instead will keep repeating foolish mistakes.

When you claim that someone made a logical fallacy you put the burden of proof on yourself. I know it might sound good to you to claim that, but if you cannot support a negative claim you make against someone else you are then in essence bearing false witness or lying.