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the day after Donald Trump was made a living martyr

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
Heh, I agree, truth must prevail over bull ****, but in America bull **** rreigns supreme, evidenced by how many people support Trump, the bull****ter in chief, and Joe Biden, who never will come clean about how he helped Hunter get rich of Ukraine or his deal with Lucifer in supporting Israel in Hamas, for if Biden had cut Israel lose, he whould would lose the election this year in a landslide.

Turmp had plenty of Secret Service protection at the Pennsylvania Turmp rally, but the Secret Service agents blew it, based on the news reports you and I both read. So, either the Secret Service agents were incompetent, or they wanted Trump shot, or they were distracted by a demon

Demons are very real, I deal with them ongoing in various situations that cross my path or I venture to cross. This is a religionforum.com’s platform, thus discussion of God, angels, demons is appropriate and necessary.

I've just read no more than an hour ago the secret service will be making a statement about the event soon. This should help put a few things to rest and if not, I guess there's not much that we can do about it. Demons? Well, call them what you will. No outright denial of interference by me, but I do fall short of deeming the interference demonic, although many obviously deem it to be, defining the deliberate interference as something of demonic origin. I guess it depends on how you define demonic. I deliberately deem these as other than demonic, although demonic may be appropriate enough to deem it as such.

Daft?

Deliberately so.

Just so you know

Ha ha ha

 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Obviously it refers to that just as much as it is with the remark, " Dictator on day one.". Right?

I don't think so. But nice try Charlie.
Dictator does not, so far as I know, have a common, colloquial meaning that doesn't paint someone in a very bad light.

And when I change my name to "Charlie," I'll let you know, Huey.
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
Do you think this assassination attempt was not planned?
That is was a spur of the moment decision to shoot at Trump?
And if so, what do you base that on?
It was planned by the shooter, based on he shot Trump. I will post more about that at this site in a little while, but from news reports, I understand the shooter was a registered Republican, in high school he was the lone Republican in his class of liberals, he was bullied every day, he donated $15 to Joe Biden’s PAC on the day Biden was swooning in as president, January 20, 2021, and I see that as suggesting the shooter was unhappy about the failed coup attempt on January 6, 2021 orchestrated by Donald Trump. In that context, I don’t see Biden or Democrats being involved. It was an upper kid, who did it all by himself, and how he got away with it, after people at the rally told local police and Secret Service agents they saw a man with a rifle climbing a building near the event and the polieand the Secret Service agents did not respond, is the topic of the post I will put on this site in a little while..
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
I've just read no more than an hour ago the secret service will be making a statement about the event soon. This should help put a few things to rest and if not, I guess there's not much that we can do about it. Demons? Well, call them what you will. No outright denial of interference by me, but I do fall short of deeming the interference demonic, although many obviously deem it to be, defining the deliberate interference as something of demonic origin. I guess it depends on how you define demonic. I deliberately deem these as other than demonic, although demonic may be appropriate enough to deem it as such.

Daft?

Deliberately so.

Just so you know

Ha ha ha

I write and speak plain English. When I say demon, I mean demon in the classical sense, as described by theologians, exorcists priests, etc. I saw a news thing on TV today, the Secret Service’s is going to be investigated. One cosmic cluster you know what.
 

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
I write and speak plain English. When I say demon, I mean demon in the classical sense, as described by theologians, exorcists priests, etc. I saw a news thing on TV today, the Secret Service’s is going to be investigated. One cosmic cluster you know what.
I think her name is Cheate. She was appointed by Biden from what I understand and has apparently proved herself in the field. They (secret service) are in the hotseat, but she has stated that a statement will be made about the incident soon. I had no doubt you were speaking about demons in the theological sense.

Have a nice day
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
I think her name is Cheate. She was appointed by Biden from what I understand and has apparently proved herself in the field. They (secret service) are in the hotseat, but she has stated that a statement will be made about the incident soon. I had no doubt you were speaking about demons in the theological sense.

Have a nice day
I wonder if whoever speaks for the Secret Service will address what I posted here about people at the rally telling local police and Secret Service agents about a man with a rifle climbing a nearby building and the local police and Secret Service agents did not respond? I have not seen anything about that on TV. I made a new post about that at this forum just a bit ago. Your and my discussion about that yesterday was part of the “inspiration” :cool:
 

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
I wonder if whoever speaks for the Secret Service will address what I posted here about people at the rally telling local police and Secret Service agents about a man with a rifle climbing a nearby building and the local police and Secret Service agents did not respond? I have not seen anything about that on TV. I made a new post about that at this forum just a bit ago. Your and my discussion about that yesterday was part of the “inspiration” :cool:
I'm not sure but I think it was televised, although I didn't see the program or report. I have noticed a few things since reading the reports, namely in the video footage and I can't deny the wide open and "paused response" or delay in secret service action after shots were fired. I hate to ridicule them, particularly after Trump survived, but there was a delay in response time. This would be a necessitated inquiry and I would suggest urgent enough to take seriously. In any case, a statement is expected. They have stated at least two other events are securely planned out, however. Let's hope so.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Anybody think the shooting has changed Trump at all? Don’t be daft! Here's what he posted an hour or so ago (bear in mind Joe Biden’s words right after the Saturday incident):

“As we move forward in uniting our nation after the horrific events on Saturday, this dismissal of the lawless indictment in Florida should be just the first step followed quickly by the dismissal of all the witch hunts: the January 6th hoax in Washington DC, the Manhattan District Attorney's zombie case, the New York Attorney General's scam, fake claims about a woman I never met (a decade old photo in a line with her then husband does not count), and the Georgia perfect phone call charges. The Democrat justice department coordinated all of these political attacks which are an election interference conspiracy against Joe Biden's political opponent, ME. Let us come together to end all weaponization of our justice system and make America great again.”

He hasn’t changed – the same old lies, the same old attempts to make his base distrust all of America’s institutions so that there fear will paralyze them into knee-jerk voting for him. Nothing in that truly says “let us come together.” At least not “as Americans.” As a private cabal, maybe, but not as Americans.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
About the secret service and the question presented, I'll assume they were more concerned about Trump and their specific job protocol to protect Trump. I've read the same reports and understand the implication being made, but I will presume this would have been in the area and jurisdiction of local police and State appointed security. I'm suggesting that distractions, distract from detail and I would assume other security detail was trusted enough for secret service to stay on post. It was a close call and I'm fairly sure security should be up to par if not exceeding the expected at these things anyway. Political violence has become a growing concern in this nation, both sides.

Question: What is it about the felony counts against Trump and an appeal being made to deny him security? I don't care if you like him or don't. I understand his position enough to understand that he has no valid reason to stand down from pursuing reelection. One killed, 2 critically injured civilians and Trump's secret service is on the hotseat for following protocol? I don't get it.

Biden has taken a pause from his campaign efforts and outbound communications, and I don't blame him.
I was listening to aTV interview with retired Secret Service Officer. He looked like an old school G-man, and explained how this location was supposed to have been assessed for resource placement. He said the first thing they do is send an advanced team to the venue, days in advance, scoping out all possible contingencies; hostiles with guns, bombs, vehicles, etc, for the placement of SS resources. These advanced teams are the pros and they will create the game plan to button things up tightly. This plan is then moved down the chain of command to position all the resources and personal; Secret Service, State Troopers and Local Police.

One of the very first things the advance team will look for is the high ground, to make sure there is no place that has a clear line of sight for any possible shooter. This old SS guy was fuming, since that building where the shooter fired, was such an obvious threat. He said they need answers and people need to be fired. The building where the shooter was, should never have been left unguarded. The advanced team should have had that in their game plan, and even with low resources they would have place a least a State Trooper on that roof. Based on eyewitness who saw and filmed the shooter on the roof and yelled for the police, the resources place had no sight of the roof and were slow to react to the people yelling about the shooter.

He also made the point the investigators need to find out what the Secret Service snipers orders were, in terms of possible threats. Were their orders to shoot any hostile on sight? Or were their orders to wait for the shooter to shoot first. The shooter got off 5 rounds, from a semi-automatic rifle, before the sniper took him out with one shot between the eyes. My guess is the sniper had a stand down order until shots were fire. This may have been out of concern with accidentally harming friendlies. The Head of the Secret Service has not been forthcoming.

Not following the most basic procedure with the high ground, and possible stand down order, could cause some to interpret this all to mean a plan to allow access for a shooter, and then have a sniper taking him out, after he fires, so the shooter cannot spill the beans. The Director of the Secret Service; Kimberly Cheatle, was appointed in 2022 under Biden's watch. While the DNC is notorious for flooding agencies with their own rabid loyalists. But then again there is also DEI, where competence means less than surface things.

Based on what little we know of the shooter, he could have been an easy person to motivate. He was a loner and was bullied. He was fairly smart and won some Biden math award that was worth $500. All bad guys would need to do is befriend him, build up his confidence, until he is ready to prove his loyalty to the team. They only needed to get a 5-10 minute window with a clear line of sight, that was left open.


 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
I was listening to aTV interview with retired Secret Service Officer. He looked like an old school G-man, and explained how this location was supposed to have been assessed for resource placement. He said the first thing they do is send an advanced team to the venue, days in advance, scoping out all possible contingencies; hostiles with guns, bombs, vehicles, etc, for the placement of SS resources. These advanced teams are the pros and they will create the game plan to button things up tightly. This plan is then moved down the chain of command to position all the resources and personal; Secret Service, State Troopers and Local Police.

One of the very first things the advance team will look for is the high ground, to make sure there is no place that has a clear line of sight for any possible shooter. This old SS guy was fuming, since that building where the shooter fired, was such an obvious threat. He said they need answers and people need to be fired. The building where the shooter was, should never have been left unguarded. The advanced team should have had that in their game plan, and even with low resources they would have place a least a State Trooper on that roof. Based on eyewitness who saw and filmed the shooter on the roof and yelled for the police, the resources place had no sight of the roof and were slow to react to the people yelling about the shooter.

He also made the point the investigators need to find out what the Secret Service snipers orders were, in terms of possible threats. Were their orders to shoot any hostile on sight? Or were their orders to wait for the shooter to shoot first. The shooter got off 5 rounds, from a semi-automatic rifle, before the sniper took him out with one shot between the eyes. My guess is the sniper had a stand down order until shots were fire. This may have been out of concern with accidentally harming friendlies. The Head of the Secret Service has not been forthcoming.

Not following the most basic procedure with the high ground, and possible stand down order, could cause some to interpret this all to mean a plan to allow access for a shooter, and then have a sniper taking him out, after he fires, so the shooter cannot spill the beans. The Director of the Secret Service; Kimberly Cheatle, was appointed in 2022 under Biden's watch. While the DNC is notorious for flooding agencies with their own rabid loyalists. But then again there is also DEI, where competence means less than surface things.

Based on what little we know of the shooter, he could have been an easy person to motivate. He was a loner and was bullied. He was fairly smart and won some Biden math award that was worth $500. All bad guys would need to do is befriend him, build up his confidence, until he is ready to prove his loyalty to the team. They only needed to get a 5-10 minute window with a clear line of sight, that was left open.


 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
I was listening to aTV interview with retired Secret Service Officer. He looked like an old school G-man, and explained how this location was supposed to have been assessed for resource placement. He said the first thing they do is send an advanced team to the venue, days in advance, scoping out all possible contingencies; hostiles with guns, bombs, vehicles, etc, for the placement of SS resources. These advanced teams are the pros and they will create the game plan to button things up tightly. This plan is then moved down the chain of command to position all the resources and personal; Secret Service, State Troopers and Local Police.

One of the very first things the advance team will look for is the high ground, to make sure there is no place that has a clear line of sight for any possible shooter. This old SS guy was fuming, since that building where the shooter fired, was such an obvious threat. He said they need answers and people need to be fired. The building where the shooter was, should never have been left unguarded. The advanced team should have had that in their game plan, and even with low resources they would have place a least a State Trooper on that roof. Based on eyewitness who saw and filmed the shooter on the roof and yelled for the police, the resources place had no sight of the roof and were slow to react to the people yelling about the shooter.

He also made the point the investigators need to find out what the Secret Service snipers orders were, in terms of possible threats. Were their orders to shoot any hostile on sight? Or were their orders to wait for the shooter to shoot first. The shooter got off 5 rounds, from a semi-automatic rifle, before the sniper took him out with one shot between the eyes. My guess is the sniper had a stand down order until shots were fire. This may have been out of concern with accidentally harming friendlies. The Head of the Secret Service has not been forthcoming.

Not following the most basic procedure with the high ground, and possible stand down order, could cause some to interpret this all to mean a plan to allow access for a shooter, and then have a sniper taking him out, after he fires, so the shooter cannot spill the beans. The Director of the Secret Service; Kimberly Cheatle, was appointed in 2022 under Biden's watch. While the DNC is notorious for flooding agencies with their own rabid loyalists. But then again there is also DEI, where competence means less than surface things.

Based on what little we know of the shooter, he could have been an easy person to motivate. He was a loner and was bullied. He was fairly smart and won some Biden math award that was worth $500. All bad guys would need to do is befriend him, build up his confidence, until he is ready to prove his loyalty to the team. They only needed to get a 5-10 minute window with a clear line of sight, that was left open.



A Biden math award? What the F is that?
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
Thank you.
I can’t wrap my mind around Secret Service snipers may have let the sniper shoot once before shooting the sniper. That is beyond bat**** crazy to me, since the shipper was on a rooftop, alone and this target was the president, so they let him kill the president, before they kill him?
Backing up, I cannot wrap my mind around the shooter getting up on that roof without being interdicted, nor can wrap my mind around reports of local police and Secret Service agents not responding to people saying they saw a man carrying a gun crawling up that building.
None of that makes any sense, unless the Secret Service hoped the sniper would kill Trump, or a demon mesmerized them all until the sniper shot the first time and only nicked Trump’s ear, which might have happened, but given guns and scopes these days, from that distance, unlesss there was a lot of. wind, hard to imagine even I would have missed, and I’m 81 years old and haven’t fired a gun in 40 years.
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
Anybody think the shooting has changed Trump at all? Don’t be daft! Here's what he posted an hour or so ago (bear in mind Joe Biden’s words right after the Saturday incident):

“As we move forward in uniting our nation after the horrific events on Saturday, this dismissal of the lawless indictment in Florida should be just the first step followed quickly by the dismissal of all the witch hunts: the January 6th hoax in Washington DC, the Manhattan District Attorney's zombie case, the New York Attorney General's scam, fake claims about a woman I never met (a decade old photo in a line with her then husband does not count), and the Georgia perfect phone call charges. The Democrat justice department coordinated all of these political attacks which are an election interference conspiracy against Joe Biden's political opponent, ME. Let us come together to end all weaponization of our justice system and make America great again.”

He hasn’t changed – the same old lies, the same old attempts to make his base distrust all of America’s institutions so that there fear will paralyze them into knee-jerk voting for him. Nothing in that truly says “let us come together.” At least not “as Americans.” As a private cabal, maybe, but not as Americans.
Actually, I think it changed Turmp hugely, to borrow his style, in that he is convinced God saved him and thus there’s the crystal proof he is America’s messiah, and he will play that in. his own way until the day he dies, and I can imagine even Republicans who don’t like him are scratching their heads and wondering. If the shooter had killed Trump, the MAGAs/Evangelicals would have become unhinged and it would not have been safe for anyone who criticized Trump, nor for their families.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Actually, I think it changed Turmp hugely, to borrow his style, in that he is convinced God saved him and thus there’s the crystal proof he is America’s messiah, and he will play that in. his own way until the day he dies, and I can imagine even Republicans who don’t like him are scratching their heads and wondering. If the shooter had killed Trump, the MAGAs/Evangelicals would have become unhinged and it would not have been safe for anyone who criticized Trump, nor for their families.
I doubt he thinks God saved him. That's an evangelical trope.
I think Trump's religious conviction is whatever garners the most votes.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Actually, I think it changed Turmp hugely, to borrow his style, in that he is convinced God saved him and thus there’s the crystal proof he is America’s messiah, and he will play that in. his own way until the day he dies, and I can imagine even Republicans who don’t like him are scratching their heads and wondering. If the shooter had killed Trump, the MAGAs/Evangelicals would have become unhinged and it would not have been safe for anyone who criticized Trump, nor for their families.
I am sorry to say, it, but if Trump thinks that "God saved him," while permitting an innocent man, father of 2 girls, former fire-fighter who saved lives, and was protecting his family when the shots were fired -- then Trump has a pretty sick conception of God. Not surprising, of course, because that sick conception is shared by so many of his supporters. I've listened to them -- sometimes past my ability to stomach -- and I have to tell you, many of them are not intelligent people, often running several sandwiches short of a picnic, as it were.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
It's true that Buden did indeed make such a remark.


David Kavanaugh is being proven right on the mark givin this first assassination attempt has now passed.

Since the first assassin is now dead, if a second assassin surfaces , then it increases the likelihood this is something being planned by somebody and not random.
Which makes me wonder if there will be a different set of rules for those who said “Trump incited January 6th” with his rhetoric. Will Biden be prosecuted on the same grounds or will those who said “Trump is guilty” simply say “That is different” to cover up the lack of “equal weights” of judgment.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Actually, I think it changed Turmp hugely, to borrow his style, in that he is convinced God saved him and thus there’s the crystal proof he is America’s messiah, and he will play that in. his own way until the day he dies, and I can imagine even Republicans who don’t like him are scratching their heads and wondering. If the shooter had killed Trump, the MAGAs/Evangelicals would have become unhinged and it would not have been safe for anyone who criticized Trump, nor for their families.

If Trump mentions God it is propaganda.



He is an evil piece of ****, seditionist.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Which makes me wonder if there will be a different set of rules for those who said “Trump incited January 6th” with his rhetoric. Will Biden be prosecuted on the same grounds or will those who said “Trump is guilty” simply say “That is different” to cover up the lack of “equal weights” of judgment.
I think it's too early to tell because all the information isn't in yet in spite of opinions , but given the fact that over three Democrats in government had already expressed nothing but the very worse for Trump including statements to the effect that, "Don't miss next time" should be a grave red flag and utmost concern as to the people who walk in the halls of government.
 
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