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The Day After Tomorrow

Todd

Rajun Cajun
Some of you have probably seen this movie, but for those that haven't, it's about global warming and disasters from global warming (even if you don't agree with it, it's a good movie). If global warming is from man and not solar reasons, what will the effects of the continued global warming be if we continue heading in the direction we are? What types of disasters will occur? What do you see happening on a global scale?
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
I see the ice caps melting, flooding the Gulf stream with fresh water, causing it to shut down. With the lack of warm water flowing to the north, the air will cool down to the point of throwing us into a new ice age.

This is what was taught to me by Ecology Professors.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
Armageddon it's in the back somewhere....oh yeah revelation; it will roughly go along those lines
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
And several religions are busy trying to lite the fuse.

Each has their own version of what is to come. They are putting great efforts into making sure "their" messian arrives first.

You should worry.

Religions are not of "God", as you've been lead to believe.


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astarath

Well-Known Member
i have no worries... i do not place my trust in "religion" (i believe you are refering to organized religion)but rather I place my trust in God. I have faith that he will bring to pass what he wills. For me I was merely offering a relative concept of what it may look like.
 

Todd

Rajun Cajun
Gentoo said:
I see the ice caps melting, flooding the Gulf stream with fresh water, causing to shut down. With the lack of warm water flowing to the north, the air will cool down to the point of throwing us into a new ice age.

This is what was taught to me by Ecology Professors.

Yea, that's what my Professor taught me in the 7th grade (about 18 years ago). He said we we're way overdue for an ice age. I can see how that could be a possibility, and is kind of what happens in the movie.
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
Todd said:
Yea, that's what my Professor taught me in the 7th grade (about 18 years ago). He said we we're way overdue for an ice age. I can see how that could be a possibility, and is kind of what happens in the movie.

We're overdue for a lot of things like that, ice age, Major earthquake on San Andreas fault-line, polar shift etc.

Yeah, it was a good movie, but being in the Northeast it was unnerving to have the scientists foresake us in it ;)
 

Todd

Rajun Cajun
Gentoo said:
Yeah, it was a good movie, but being in the Northeast it was unnerving to have the scientists foresake us in it ;)

Naw, you guys are already adapted to it, you should be fine :). Now us Texans might have a problem with it. It's been cold for the past two weeks (a little above and a little below freezing), and we don't know what to do with ourselves.
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
Todd said:
Naw, you guys are already adapted to it, you should be fine :). Now us Texans might have a problem with it. It's been cold for the past two weeks (a little above and a little below freezing), and we don't know what to do with ourselves.

Hehe, it's 32 degrees right now and I feel like breaking out the shorts!:D
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
Why not execute another criminal?

That seems to be a favorite past time down there.

I've lived and worked in Texas several times. Friendly people, but something is terrible wrong with the taking of life, so cheaply.


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Booko

Deviled Hen
As disaster movies go, it was one of the better done ones. I enjoyed the acting, and confess I'm a weather freak anyway, so just watching the special effects is somewhat amusing.

On the climatological front, the people behind the movie admit that in order to make an interesting movie, they had to be scientifically inaccurate on quite a few fronts, and really shrink the time frames.

The movie misses the warm up phase and goes right to the jugular of one speculation about the effects of global warming -- the shut down of the north Atlantic pump that runs the ocean currents, which might trigger an ice age.

For me, that's the biggest scientific flaw -- the movie doesn't examine the effects that we're for sure feeling and going to increasingly feel for a while now.

NOAA has a news release related to today's ICPP statement from the Paris Conference:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2787.htm

NOAA's website also has some interesting info on models they're using. Of course, models have their problems, especially in a subject with as many variables as climatology. :eek: If you get something off a bit, the effects can be quite wide-ranging. Still, models generally agree that something very very different will happen, and in a way that we aren't going to like much. That is enough information to justify taking immediate action.

What NOAA's models show are everywhere will be disrupted, though some places more than others. Europe can look forward to more deathly heat waves, the Indian subcontinent may become so dry that agriculture can't feed the populace there, coastal areas will be the most affected should the oceans continue their rise. I wouldn't suggest buying real estate in New Orleans or the Netherlands. I have a friend living on Vanuatu, and the locals tell her they've already lost much of their island. There's nothing theoretical about global warming for island peoples. They're watching their countries disappear and are not amused.

I find some of the most interesting info there is not so much on local weather changes, but on epidemiology. A few degrees warmer in the winter in some areas (like Taiwan) means the spread of dengue fever. We can look forward to malaria becoming a more common disease in Europe and the U.S.

Here on my local front, in the past 10 years I've watched a very noticable shift in local weather patterns. As a Master Gardener, I keep track of bug infestation problems from one year to the next, the sorts of weeds that are common at times, and so forth.
Here's what's changed:

- 10 years ago, we never recommended St. Augustine grass in the metro Atlanta area. Now we recommend it for anywhere from Dunwoody and parts south.
- Weeds more common to middle Georgia are not common here in north Georgia
- Pest insect populations have shifted toward what I'd expect in Middle Georgia and the timing of infestations has shifted to an earlier time, from a couple of weeks to a month.
- In town there are 2 species of palm trees we will now recommend to landscapers and homeowners, provided the palms are located in proper local microclimates (not at the bottom of a hill and yes to protected from north winds by evergreen trees or shrubs or fences. 10 years ago, we would've recommended that no homeowner have a palm, unless it was potted and protected in winter.

By the way, it might interest you to know that plant hardiness zone were just changed last year to take into account the changes in weather patterns in the past 10 years.

Here's just one article on the subject:

http://arborday.org/media/zonechanges2006.cfm
The new map reflects that many areas have become warmer since 1990 when the last USDA hardiness zone map was published. Significant portions of many states have shifted at least one full hardiness zone. Much of Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, for example, have shifted from Zone 5 to a warmer Zone 6. Some areas around the country have even warmed two full zones.
I used to be in Zone 7. Now I'm in Zone 8. My local climate is now what used to be in Middle Georgia. I've been slowly retooling my perennials for the past few years, as I have some options not previously available, and am losing plants that don't take the heat well.

I especially recommend looking at maps and animation of the changes on the Arbor Day site.

The changes were made based on NOAA date, fyi.

Sorry for the core dump, but really, this is a rather large subject with involvement from so many areas of science.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
xexon said:
Why not execute another criminal?

That seems to be a favorite past time down there.

I've lived and worked in Texas several times. Friendly people, but something is terrible wrong with the taking of life, so cheaply.

*wondering how this relates to the topic*

Uh...Xenon, feel free to start a thread on this somewhere where it fits? :)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
We're overdue for a lot of things like that, ice age, Major earthquake on San Andreas fault-line, polar shift etc.
According to Naked Science on the National Geographic Channel, the polar shift is not too far away, and they are starting to reverse. 12/21/2012 is the date the Mayans marked it happen on.
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
While the Day After Tomorrow is an interesting if somewhat predictable movie, IIRC the scientific concensus was that while an Ice Age could happen as protrayed in the movie, it was highly improbable that it would happen so quickly. The timeframe I remember as being more plausible was years instead of a few days.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
same crap different pile...essentially when it happens it is going to happen and that is what really matters, whether it takes days or years is rather inconsequential.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The timeframe I remember as being more plausible was years instead of a few days.
But an Ice Age taking over in years wouldn't have made as much suspense and drama. Why have "Start packing your things so we can go south before this settles in" when you can have "Hurry up before we all freeze to death."
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
Luke Wolf said:
According to Naked Science on the National Geographic Channel, the polar shift is not too far away, and they are starting to reverse. 12/21/2012 is the date the Mayans marked it happen on.

Scary...
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Todd said:
If global warming is from man and not solar reasons, what will the effects of the continued global warming be if we continue heading in the direction we are? What types of disasters will occur? What do you see happening on a global scale?
That's the scary part, no ones knows for sure what is going to happen or when. There's lots of guessing, and none of it is good.
 
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