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The Deception of Music, addiction of An ex Musician

Starsoul

Truth
This post is in Islam DIR, and I can assure you that we muslims usually don't get stuck on un-becoming premises,(and it aint one) we go for the content, I doubt the video has any relevance for non muslims, and thats why it is in a DIR incase you didn't notice.
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed either. There is bad music and good music, and to claim that the Shaitan has taken them over...that's pretty sad, to be honest.

Sorry Starsoul. :(
 

Mintz

La Illaha IlAllah
I agree that pop music is very polluting and brainwashing and HAS been taken over by Shaitan.

Nasheed is good music though :)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Assuming for a moment that being a musician is usually or at least often a corrupting lifestyle, would it be a good idea to avoid the activity entirely?

In some ways it looks like giving up the territory, if you catch my meaning. And music can be a very sublime source of inspiration.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Now, a serious question and it is not intended in any offense but more of a historical question regarding culture.

Is it possible to consider that given the importance music has played in culture that the prophet was saying that giving oneself over to anything, be it music or whatever, that directed one away from Allah than it should be forbidden. In other words, Muhammad did not reveal that music is forbidden.

Reading the comments on the Youtube video, which in itself can be a form of mental pollution, there are some disturbing statements from some on how they deleted their music lists or state that no music should be listened to. I've never heard of this before from Islam. Yusuf Islaml, formerly Cat Stevens, would have a hard time in this. As well as the Youtube video which apparently has a music soundtrack.

It's all about not becoming beholden to music which I can see in the States among a non-Islamic nation where people adhere to political music such as Rage Against the Machine and put so much of their personal life into such music than that would be, correct me if I'm wrong, haram?

Now, another type of question. It's quite apparent that the feelings, the emotional feelings, invoked by music that it is quite a natural feeling. Is having a natural emotional reaction to music against the teachings of the prophet? Is it really the notion that Shaitan is the influence behind music that gives rise to an emotional reaction a legitimate notion in Islam?

And the final question. How much of any proscription against music in Islam is against the other cultures in the 7th century which Islam began to influence?
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
IMO moderation is key in anything...even religion.
Banning anything entirely is dangerous and unenforceable. Music can be both good and bad, and since it's not going to disappear, it's up to everyone how much to indulge.
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
I thought music is forbidden in Islam? How is Nasheed any different than any genre of music?
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
I agree with the sentiment conveyed in the show about those who revolve their life around music, day and night listening to music and most of the music especially pop music is literally filled with filth. Also that...Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Shakira, Pink and their alike are pollution to the eyes, the ears and the mind, not to mention viewing them as role modes, this is disastrous. And yes, movies, pop stars and celebrities became an important factor in drawing the dreams, goals and lifestyle of the American youth specifically and Western youth generally. We as Muslims have our own ideals and role models.

And how unfortunate for your life to be revolved around "the dance floor", "bad romance", "sexy lady". What a waste!!
So I totally agree with this message.

However, I disagree with the generalization of the guest about music. I agree that most of the current music is absolute rubbish as a result of the current materialistic lifestyle and it contradicts the Islamic philosophy and principles in many ways. Many of them just convey chaotic, empty, lost, superficial and animalistic thinking and feelings.

But still there is some good music out there. And if you have musical talents, it will be great, as a Muslim, to participate in creating or increasing this good music. Music can convey good messages that might have more influence than mere words. The guest said that repetition of the songs and music will make their meanings stick in your mind (paraphrasing) but what if these meanings are good?

For example:
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YouTube - ‫

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YouTube - ‪Josh Groban - Smile - Live at Soundstage‬‏

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YouTube - ‪Sami Yusuf - Healing‬‏

YouTube - Nickelback - If Today Was Your Last Day

Music is a means of expression. Depending on the content and the way in which it is expressed, we can find the good and the bad. And yes unfortunately the bad is more than the good, but it's like anything in this world where the believe has to struggle to fight the bad and spread what's good.
 
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Sahar

Well-Known Member
Vendetta, with all due respect, this is not instant messaging. People might reply after some hours, a day or more.

The nasheed is usually not accompanied by musical instruments except a certain type of drums.
Some scholars believe that musical instruments are forbidden. Some others believe they are permissible as long as they are not used in something haram.

The issue of music is controversial between the Muslim scholars.
 

Starsoul

Truth
Assuming for a moment that being a musician is usually or at least often a corrupting lifestyle, would it be a good idea to avoid the activity entirely?

In some ways it looks like giving up the territory, if you catch my meaning. And music can be a very sublime source of inspiration.

I understand where you come from, and its not like I haven't ever heard good music, but it was so easy to discontinue it, and not even want to listen to it, and trust me I have so much more inspiration going on in my life than it ever did while there was music in it : ) (this ain't a debate, and people can easily come up with inspirational stories regarding music, but thats not even the slightest of what I'm talking about, I just don't expect anyone to understand, cause all this has nothing to do with logic, mind, good deeds etc, this is an entirely muslim eeman level discussion, and very few people actually acknowledge or are able to sense, their faltering /rising level of eeman, very few)

I can talk on and on about it, but i can imagine how it wont get past your or a music listener's perception because if you ain't been there, you ain't been there. Lets just say , music blocks a significant portion of our spiritual enlightenment, and In Islam, the Mind, body, Desires and Soul are very distinct entities, though entwined, but each having its own requirements.

All are aware of the mind, body and desires, and mostly people mistake the surge of adrenaline with soul, but soul is an entirely distinctive entity which as Allah subhanao Talla says in the Quran, is Only revived by the remembrance of Allah swt, He has exclusive rights on it. None , nothing, Nada can revive your soul, like the word of Allah swt, and THAT is the deceptive lure of satan, he creates pleasant sounds that fondle our inner desires, make us even happy, but they very subtly keep us away from the true spirit of our soul, which gets surrounded by sounds that it didn't ask for ,and constantly dampen it, attempt to malign it, block the effect of of the Quranic verses taking over you.

We all have base desires imprinted in us, all of which lead to pleasure, a sense of achievement and hope and so on, And Music is the voice that feeds to those desires.

Soul, is a totally different entity, soul has nothing to do with desires, infact the soul is empowered when the desires are met on the lowest possible survival level, and yet the essence of the soul ( what we assimilate to as eeman, faith in Islam ) is so powerful that it goes beyond the realm of material desires, hence it not only surpasses the thirst/ quench of material worldly/desires, it effuses out on a human being such a calm, serene composure, that there is neither any remorse for the loss of the base desires, nor any need for them. And Soul is Only fed by the word, remembrance and practice of Allah swt's recommendations. You just cant know what it is like to have a soul unless you hear Him, hear Him when impurities don't contaminate/intoxicate you.

I know people who listen to music will disagree, but I have listened to music in the past ( a lot of music indeed, all kinds) and I know it can Never do to you , what it does without it. Just no comparison of faith. And even coming across music by mistake or just by a chance, suddenly makes you want to move far away from there, cause you don't ever want to loose out on the level of eeman that is achieved when you don't listen to music, and IMO the level of eeman felt while you listen to music, is just not that sweet, no no. : )
 
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Starsoul

Truth
And good poetry, un-objectionable , and singing is allowed in ISlam, it is just the sounds from hollow instruments that aren't considered good, and hence not allowed. At least thats what I've heard from scholars. Although some scholars do say good lyrics and all are ok, and they also describe in other explanations that people are so confronted with this music these days that it becomes difficult to stay away from it, and people will listen to it anyway , since they are raised believing thats its ok to listen to it, so they allow it on condition of good music and etc etc.

I can get back to you all with some reasoning on it InshAllah, will take sometime.
 

Starsoul

Truth
Now, a serious question and it is not intended in any offense but more of a historical question regarding culture.

Is it possible to consider that given the importance music has played in culture that the prophet was saying that giving oneself over to anything, be it music or whatever, that directed one away from Allah than it should be forbidden. In other words, Muhammad did not reveal that music is forbidden.

Reading the comments on the Youtube video, which in itself can be a form of mental pollution, there are some disturbing statements from some on how they deleted their music lists or state that no music should be listened to. I've never heard of this before from Islam. Yusuf Islaml, formerly Cat Stevens, would have a hard time in this. As well as the Youtube video which apparently has a music soundtrack.

It's all about not becoming beholden to music which I can see in the States among a non-Islamic nation where people adhere to political music such as Rage Against the Machine and put so much of their personal life into such music than that would be, correct me if I'm wrong, haram?

Now, another type of question. It's quite apparent that the feelings, the emotional feelings, invoked by music that it is quite a natural feeling. Is having a natural emotional reaction to music against the teachings of the prophet? Is it really the notion that Shaitan is the influence behind music that gives rise to an emotional reaction a legitimate notion in Islam?

And the final question. How much of any proscription against music in Islam is against the other cultures in the 7th century which Islam began to influence?
You have asked very good questions indeed and answered yourself too somewhat. I hope you find some answers in my recent posts but I'll get back to you with complete answers in sometime.

In short, Shaitan is the one of the Most knowledgeable entity of This world at this moment. (of this world means our material world). All knowledge is hath by ONLY Allah swt, and He gave immense knowledge to His Prophets, and then on to His law abiding, God fearing people who believe in Him and do good deeds. And then comes shaitan, who was there before Humanity, knew it all, saw humanity being created and burnt with envy when Allah swt gave more honor to Man than to him. Now though satan's knowledge is extremely limited, but he is more knowledgeable than any human being at this moment right now. Only the Prophets have been given more knowledge. (what I am quoting here is a very short tale of the what has been explained in the Quran and the Hadith about him, but it is all supported by Quran, Hadith and wisdom of the companions of the Prophet). And the reason I say this, is because you have to know the whole concept before knowing the conclusion, once can just read a 'halal /haram" and never get to the bottom of it, using his own limited knowledge, logic to suggest himself/allow himself anything a person deems right, but thats what Islam is all about.

We worship One creator, there is No-one But HE, surrounds all infinities of knowledge, even knows how many leaves are falling off the trees/or blooming out of trees at any given time or place,which molecules /genes being transferred to the offspring and etc hence human knowledge is Nothing infront of the Divine Knowledge. And that part of faith is absolute in confirming your faith that whatever the creator knows, and recommends for His creation, is the ONLY best option they can avail, and whenever they will indulge in options contradictory to those given by Him, they will go astray, as there is Only One right way, all the rest lead to the wrong way.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
I understand where you come from, and its not like I haven't ever heard good music, but it was so easy to discontinue it, and not even want to listen to it, and trust me I have so much more inspiration going on in my life than it ever did while there was music in it : ) (this ain't a debate, and people can easily come up with inspirational stories regarding music, but thats not even the slightest of what I'm talking about, I just don't expect anyone to understand, cause all this has nothing to do with logic, mind, good deeds etc, this is an entirely muslim eeman level discussion, and very few people actually acknowledge or are able to sense, their faltering /rising level of eeman, very few)

I can talk on and on about it, but i can imagine how it wont get past your or a music listener's perception because if you ain't been there, you ain't been there. Lets just say , music blocks a significant portion of our spiritual enlightenment, and In Islam, the Mind, body, Desires and Soul are very distinct entities, though entwined, but each having its own requirements.

All are aware of the mind, body and desires, and mostly people mistake the surge of adrenaline with soul, but soul is an entirely distinctive entity which as Allah subhanao Talla says in the Quran, is Only revived by the remembrance of Allah swt, He has exclusive rights on it. None , nothing, Nada can revive your soul, like the word of Allah swt, and THAT is the deceptive lure of satan, he creates pleasant sounds that fondle our inner desires, make us even happy, but they very subtly keep us away from the true spirit of our soul, which gets surrounded by sounds that it didn't ask for ,and constantly dampen it, attempt to malign it, block the effect of of the Quranic verses taking over you.

We all have base desires imprinted in us, all of which lead to pleasure, a sense of achievement and hope and so on, And Music is the voice that feeds to those desires.

Soul, is a totally different entity, soul has nothing to do with desires, infact the soul is empowered when the desires are met on the lowest possible survival level, and yet the essence of the soul ( what we assimilate to as eeman, faith in Islam ) is so powerful that it goes beyond the realm of material desires, hence it not only surpasses the thirst/ quench of material worldly/desires, it effuses out on a human being such a calm, serene composure, that there is neither any remorse for the loss of the base desires, nor any need for them. And Soul is Only fed by the word, remembrance and practice of Allah swt's recommendations. You just cant know what it is like to have a soul unless you hear Him, hear Him when impurities don't contaminate/intoxicate you.

I know people who listen to music will disagree, but I have listened to music in the past ( a lot of music indeed, all kinds) and I know it can Never do to you , what it does without it. Just no comparison of faith. And even coming across music by mistake or just by a chance, suddenly makes you want to move far away from there, cause you don't ever want to loose out on the level of eeman that is achieved when you don't listen to music, and IMO the level of eeman felt while you listen to music, is just not that sweet, no no. : )
Well well, I went into a period of stopping listening to music all together and I can feel what you're saying and I have no problem with this personal choice and approach and I know many people who feel this way but I slightly disagree. I believe it's a matter of balance and control.
A lot of music do harm you spiritually and it makes your ears used to and wants music instead of the Qur'an. When the nafs (vain self) choose between music and Qur'an, it will choose music, agreed.
But you won't listen to Qur'an all the time just as you don't pray all the time...there are times of playing/having fun. In such time, I feel that there is no harm with some good music. Music also can be a sound-background while studying, reading, etc, completely personal preferences.

Maybe it can be said that avoiding music all together is the safer and more precautions approach from a spiritual point of view especially given the addicting nature of music, I still think there is some middle ground that can make you spiritually high and attached to the Qur'an and on the other hand enjoy some good (especially if it's with a positive message) music. It could be said that the first approach is easier than the middle ground approach.

I feel we just can't dictate one approach for every person especially you said the levels of Iman are different and people might get higher in different areas more than others. For example, the woman who wears niqab, she went more in this area but this is not a requirement for the Muslim woman. Maybe others are more advanced in listening much to the Qur'anic recitation and music just get them spiritually lower. Others are better at the area of helping the needy, etc.
 
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Starsoul

Truth
You're probably right where you stand sahar, and I didn't meant to imply that one person not listening to music will always have a higher level of eeman, or is better in eeman or anything, that is for Allah swt to judge indeed. Its just that, maybe you're at that point in your life where one has a lot more time to listen to music,: ) and I am where I look to utilize it in this or that work because listening to music wont just hold some charm to me, as in comparing it to wasting my time, what did i get while listening to music, umm nothing hehe. So thats what I'm talking about, and I'd rather not listen to music in the car, cause I don't wana die listening to Music, niether do I want to die doing anything that will be really a source of regret for me. And music will be one of them.

And you're right that we cant possibly be indulged in recitation, nafal, and worship all the time, but we can be indulged in constructive work, which sad to say most of us muslims, including myself are very lazy in. And listening to music and watching movies just denies us the activity period we might really utilize as productive muslims, participating for the welfare of the society and etc.
 

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
***Mod post***

This is the Islam DIR. Members who do not belong to that group are only allowed to post respectful questions.​
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
and I didn't meant to imply that one person not listening to music will always have a higher level of eeman, or is better in eeman or anything, that is for Allah swt to judge indeed.
I didn't get this from your post. :) I can relate to your experience. And in that time when I stopped listening to music, I didn't feel that anything is missing in my life.

However I am only looking at the bigger picture rather than the individual personal choice. I think that I can't tell all people music is always bad and you should avoid it. But I absolutely can tell if you want to listen to music, then choose the good ones and without excess (the minimal requirement) and I can tell those who don't at all, keep up the good work.

I can tell those who have musical talents direct it to a humane and Islamic cause.

What I am saying there is a difference between requirement and getting higher beyond what is required "fadl".

I feel that we just can't oppose Muslim youth like Maher Zain who believe that he conveys a good message through music:
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YouTube - ‪Maher Zain - The Chosen One |

This is a music clip about the manners of the prophet. And this method of expression can be effective especially with those who are into music.

And even nasheed (no musical instruments) can take you away from the Qur'an if you are not cautious.

Starsoul said:
Its just that, maybe you're at that point in your life where one has a lot more time to listen to music,: ) and I am where I look to utilize it in this or that work because listening to music wont just hold some charm to me, as in comparing it to wasting my time, what did i get while listening to music, umm nothing hehe. So thats what I'm talking about, and I'd rather not listen to music in the car, cause I don't wana die listening to Music, niether do I want to die doing anything that will be really a source of regret for me. And music will be one of them.
I absolutely can understand this.

And you're right that we cant possibly be indulged in recitation, nafal, and worship all the time, but we can be indulged in constructive work, which sad to say most of us muslims, including myself are very lazy in. And listening to music and watching movies just denies us the activity period we might really utilize as productive muslims, participating for the welfare of the society and etc.
Totally agreed. Our Ummah need more work than fun, when we work hard first, we can talk about having fun then but it's difficult to talk about having fun while you are lazy!!
 
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