the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Enlighten]

I just notice some reply in other thread , that considerate the dancing of wife (in day of weding or other galas ) with other men in all position is something "normal " ,even if they both dancing with others and they are not jeolous for each other in that situations , by the name of freedom and trust and civilization ...etc To me this is called trust, I have no reason to think my husband would cheat and he has no reason to think I would.

what is the goal/reason to let your wife kissed and dancing and drunk with forgien men ? I was drunk on my wedding day? wow, I did not realise that, I stuck to fizzy apple that day so I would remember every detail until my husband and I went to the honeymoon suite to have champagne.
is that did not heal their ( p***s ) because of that ? I am sure i would do . I'm not sure what you mean by this? Please explain.
is that did not give a approtonity to the wife to regert that choose quickly her husband ? No actually, I have been with my now husband for just under 10 years, no quick choosing involved.
if i kiss a wife of someone , that give me the right to let my wife kissed by the husband of that wife ? Not if you are jealous you wont, but if you are secure in your relationship, why would you think your wife being congratulated would lead to her cheating?
doesn't you think that it's maybe we will see that some one let his wife make sex with someone , because he did the same thing with his wife (exchange sex dating ) ? Sex and kissing are two different things, not all kisses lead to sex. I kiss my dad to say hello when I see him (kiss on cheek before you are appalled again) but there is no way it would lead to sex. Just as the congratulations kisses from friends and family would never lead to sex. Same as "hello, nice to meet you" kisses wouldn't.

I hope that clears a few things up.

 

[Songbird]

It's customary on a case-by-case basis.

I'll need to do a case study.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'll need to do a case study.

Bring plenty of lip balm.

 

[Songbird]

Bring plenty of lip balm.

I'm bringing parchment and scribes. This is scientific stuff, here, gotta properly notate it.

 

[Godobeyer]

The French routinely kiss people as a sign of affection, but not for sexual purposes. It is part of the culture. How does that act seem to you?

kiss man to man in cheek ,and woman to woman ok
but forgien woman kiss forgien man ,no
it's forbiden .

 

[Kerr]

that "innocent " fun is the main introduce to cheating , acuatly if the wife dance with many men , it's looks like WC , and the men **** on her . the last one (who ****) is her husband in the bed .
this behave is very forbiden in my religion and it's not act of real MAN who jeolous for his wife ....who let his wife touched with others .

If kissing and dancing is a gateway to cheating then I am an elephant .

you allow to kiss and dance why not sex ?
maybe it's will be as a revenge , or new civilasation culture in the futur , let change our wives ,break the habit,be modern we .

Not all physical contact has the same meaning, you know. A kiss is not sex. Dancing is not sex. Why generalize different forms of physical contact and claim they all lead towards sex?

ah , this what i talking about , the exchange kiss and dance maybe sex in futur

Have not had sex for 3 years, but I have danced and kissed people, so my experience says otherwise.

accualty as i know it's very open generaly in the west , before or after the mariage (especialy before ) .

I have yet to see anything that makes me think open relationships are the norm here. People do have sex before and after marriage, though. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as everyone is willing and no one is cheating.

A man want to divorce his wife after she committed adultery for the second time with a christian man. He had forgive her the first time and now after she had travelled , she had committed adultery for the second time with another christian man but the husband this time want to divorce her because he is an Islamic teacher and he fears for his reputation. But he fears if he divorce this woman she will leave Islam and go back to Christianity and also she does not want to wear hijab but pray and fast . they have grown up children. Please advise The husband does not want to be responsible for the wife leaving Islam.

Praise be to Allaah. Firstly:
If a woman persists an immoral action and does not repent from it or give it up, even if the matter did not go as far as zina, such as if she had a relationship with this Christian man or anyone else, then it is not permissible for the husband to keep her, because that is a kind of cuckoldry (diyaathah), and cuckoldry is a major sin, because of the report narrated by al-Nasaa’i (2562) from ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There are three at whom Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, will not look on the Day of Resurrection: the one who is defiant towards his parents, the woman who imitates men, and the cuckold.”
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’i.
The cuckold is the one who approves of evil conduct in his family.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) was asked about the one who came into his house and found a stranger with his wife, so he gave her her dues and divorced her by talaaq, then he went back and reconciled with her and heard that she had been found with a non-mahram man.
He replied: In the hadeeth from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) it says that when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, created Paradise, He said: “By My glory and majesty, no miser, liar or cuckold will enter you.” The cuckold is the one who has no protective jealousy or pride. In al-Saheeh it is narrated that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The believer has protective jealousy (gheerah) and Allah has protective jealousy, and the protective jealousy of Allah is that no slave should do that which is forbidden to him.” And Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “The adulterer — fornicator marries not but an adulteress — fornicatress or a Mushrikah; and the adulteress –fornicatress, none marries her except an adulterer — fornicater or a Mushrik [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely, he is either an adulterer — fornicator, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater). And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer — fornicator, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress)]. Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islâmic Monotheism)” [al-Noor 24:3]. The correct scholarly opinion is that it is not permissible to marry a zaaniyah (a woman who commits fornication or adultery) until after she has repented. The same applies if the wife commits zina: the husband has no right to keep her in that case; rather he should leave her, otherwise he will be a cuckold (duyooth). End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 32/141
Secondly:
If the woman has repented, turned over a new leaf and is living a righteous life, and she has cut off all ties to that non-mahram man, then the husband may keep her, and perhaps Allah will reward him for treating her kindly and concealing her sin.
We have stated that it is not permissible for him to keep her as his wife if she committed zina and has not repented from it sincerely, and we stated that if she repents and turns over a new leaf, then he may keep her and conceal her sin, if he has the patience to do that. What we have said about it being permissible to keep her if she repents is not obligatory for him, rather it is up to him. In all cases he may leave her, because zina on the part of the wife is extremely abhorrent and most people cannot forgive that. And if he divorces her, then he is not responsible for what she commits of sin, and if she apostatises from Islam, she alone is responsible for that, because she is accountable and of sound mind: if she does good deeds that it is in her favour and if she does bad deeds then it counts against her.
We ask Allah to protect the Muslims from all trials, evils and turmoil. And Allah knows best.

from
Islam Question and Answer - His wife committed zina twice with a Christian man; should he divorce her? If she apostatises will there be any sin on him?
and look at these may help
Wife having illegal relations with men - Islamweb.net -English
CUCKOLDS WILL NOT ENTER PARADISE! | NBF NEWS, FREE HOT NIGERIAN NEWS ONLINE FROM NEWSPAPERS, NIGERIA BEST FORUM BLOG

So basically... a cuckod is someone who permits "evil" in his family?

 

[Photonic]

kiss man to man in cheek ,and woman to woman ok
but forgien woman kiss forgien man ,no
it's forbiden .

Why would someone from a different country kissing another person from a different country be forbidden?

Or are your humans better then other humans?

 

[Looncall]

kiss man to man in cheek ,and woman to woman ok
but forgien woman kiss forgien man ,no
it's forbiden .

Ah, but the question is whether it should be forbidden. Do you let ancient customs rule your life without thinking for yourself?

 

[Godobeyer]

Originally Posted by Godobeyer
I just notice some reply in other thread , that considerate the dancing of wife (in day of weding or other galas ) with other men in all position is something "normal " ,even if they both dancing with others and they are not jeolous for each other in that situations , by the name of freedom and trust and civilization ...etc To me this is called trust, I have no reason to think my husband would cheat and he has no reason to think I would.

what is the goal/reason to let your wife kissed and dancing and drunk with forgien men ? I was drunk on my wedding day? wow, I did not realise that, I stuck to fizzy apple that day so I would remember every detail until my husband and I went to the honeymoon suite to have champagne. that your usual excuse (drunk )
is that did not heal their ( p***s ) because of that ? I am sure i would do . I'm not sure what you mean by this? Please explain.let me be honest mre the penis had two situation , wake,sleep ,the dancing will heal the penis .
is that did not give a approtonity to the wife to regert that choose quickly her husband ? No actually, I have been with my now husband for just under 10 years, no quick choosing involved. I am sure that there are , but it's your propre exprience
if i kiss a wife of someone , that give me the right to let my wife kissed by the husband of that wife ? Not if you are jealous you wont, but if you are secure in your relationship, why would you think your wife being congratulated would lead to her cheating?yeah , I am agree with you trust help,but, i did not give the approtonity to a gaz touch the fire , then i regret why it's exploise , i am sure that many wife or girlfriend break up the relation because she falled in love with someone alse (his friend )
doesn't you think that it's maybe we will see that some one let his wife make sex with someone , because he did the same thing with his wife (exchange sex dating ) ? Sex and kissing are two different things, not all kisses lead to sex. I kiss my dad to say hello when I see him (kiss on cheek before you are appalled again) but there is no way it would lead to sex. Just as the congratulations kisses from friends and family would never lead to sex. Same as "hello, nice to meet you" kisses wouldn't. I am not talking a kiss family (father , brother ...etc) ,I am talking about a kiss to forgien person especialy in parties or weding or bars (special places )

I hope that clears a few things up.

I hope that clear up my point .

 

[Enlighten]

Have not had sex for 3 years, but I have danced and kissed people, so my experience says otherwise.

Consider the drought broken :dan::hugkiss: since I am now the cheat of the forum!

 

[Kerr]

Consider the drought broken :dan::hugkiss: since I am now the cheat of the forum!

Lol!!!

 

[Enlighten]

Originally Posted by Godobeyer
I just notice some reply in other thread , that considerate the dancing of wife (in day of weding or other galas ) with other men in all position is something "normal " ,even if they both dancing with others and they are not jeolous for each other in that situations , by the name of freedom and trust and civilization ...etc To me this is called trust, I have no reason to think my husband would cheat and he has no reason to think I would. You didn't respond here?

what is the goal/reason to let your wife kissed and dancing and drunk with forgien men ? I was drunk on my wedding day? wow, I did not realise that, I stuck to fizzy apple that day so I would remember every detail until my husband and I went to the honeymoon suite to have champagne. that your usual excuse (drunk ) Yep, I'm not only a cheat, I'm a raving alcoholic, join me? lol. Dancing and "hello/congratulations" kisses have nothing to do with being drunk or cheating. If someone wants to cheat, they will, they do not need any alcohol to "make" them cheat. But I am so glad you have been there to tell me that it is my usual excuse as I really cannot remember those times. What were you doing in the same place as I was kissing and dancing anyway?
is that did not heal their ( p***s ) because of that ? I am sure i would do . I'm not sure what you mean by this? Please explain.let me be honest mre the penis had two situation , wake,sleep ,the dancing will heal the penis . Maybe that is the way you think, my husband is not healed by dancing. I wont go into our sex life though. I'm sure the last thoughts on my wedding guests minds while dancing with me or kissing me were their penis, especially since they are family.
is that did not give a approtonity to the wife to regert that choose quickly her husband ? No actually, I have been with my now husband for just under 10 years, no quick choosing involved. I am sure that there are , but it's your propre exprience Please explain, I am not understanding?
if i kiss a wife of someone , that give me the right to let my wife kissed by the husband of that wife ? Not if you are jealous you wont, but if you are secure in your relationship, why would you think your wife being congratulated would lead to her cheating?yeah , I am agree with you trust help,but, i did not give the approtonity to a gaz touch the fire , then i regret why it's exploise , i am sure that many wife or girlfriend break up the relation because she falled in love with someone alse (his friend ) Probably due to lack of trust and a controlling husband.
doesn't you think that it's maybe we will see that some one let his wife make sex with someone , because he did the same thing with his wife (exchange sex dating ) ? Sex and kissing are two different things, not all kisses lead to sex. I kiss my dad to say hello when I see him (kiss on cheek before you are appalled again) but there is no way it would lead to sex. Just as the congratulations kisses from friends and family would never lead to sex. Same as "hello, nice to meet you" kisses wouldn't. I am not talking a kiss family (father , brother ...etc) ,I am talking about a kiss to forgien person especialy in parties or weding or bars (special places ) Ahh you mean when I said about "happy new year", it is custom here to wish someone happy new year as it is in France to greet someone with a kiss on each cheek.



I hope that clear up my point .

I don't know why, but you make me smile even while suggesting I am a cheat

 

[Godobeyer]

If kissing and dancing is a gateway to cheating then I am an elephant .

don't tell pregnate elephant ?

Not all physical contact has the same meaning, you know. A kiss is not sex. Dancing is not sex. Why generalize different forms of physical contact and claim they all lead towards sex?

ok if you want to make sex don't kiss ,
I am not sure if you will marry , you will let your wife go to dance club with a forgien man at 21:00 ? and she back to you at 02:00 am ?

I have yet to see anything that makes me think open relationships are the norm here. People do have sex before and after marriage, though. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as everyone is willing and no one is cheating.

this clain i will make it as reference
awwwwww; they just make sex after and before the mariage :run:

So basically... a cuckod is someone who permits "evil" in his family?

for exemple ,when the wife did not jeolous for his wife ,if some one make sex with her

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't know why, but you make me smile even while suggesting I am a cheat

aww I make you cheat no .
don't cheat please

 

[Enlighten]

aww I make you cheat no .
don't cheat please

Yes you and you alone have made me cheat But please respond to my post above

 

[Godobeyer]

our quote post become like a drawing board

I just notice some reply in other thread , that considerate the dancing of wife (in day of weding or other galas ) with other men in all position is something "normal " ,even if they both dancing with others and they are not jeolous for each other in that situations , by the name of freedom and trust and civilization ...etc To me this is called trust, I have no reason to think my husband would cheat and he has no reason to think I would. You didn't respond here?
ok i will give you reason , don't tell that you or he never make sex before the mariage (with other person(s) )
edited : this is considerate cheating in my religion .

 

[Enlighten]

our quote post become like a drawing board

I just notice some reply in other thread , that considerate the dancing of wife (in day of weding or other galas ) with other men in all position is something "normal " ,even if they both dancing with others and they are not jeolous for each other in that situations , by the name of freedom and trust and civilization ...etc To me this is called trust, I have no reason to think my husband would cheat and he has no reason to think I would. You didn't respond here?
ok i will give you reason , don't tell that you or he never make sex before the mariage (with other person(s) )
edited : this is considerate cheating in my religion .

Yes it is, but I can still follow if you want to respond to each point. That is irrelevant if I/he did or did not, we hadn't met and doesn't come into our relationship since we met, any sexual activity with another is in the past. You cannot call if anyone has sex before marriage/or previously in their lives cheating. What happens in the case of divorce? Should those people not remarry and have sex? Should they remain single?

 

[Draka]

What is the difference between giving your parent or child a kiss on the cheek and giving a friend a kiss on the cheek? Just because I am not related to a person doesn't mean that if my lips quickly peck their cheek that I am going to go roll around in bed with them.

I like to dance. My husband is not big on dancing. He knows I like to dance and if we are out together somewhere where there is music and dancing and I am asked to dance by a male friend of mine, or maybe even a stranger, my husband would not have issue with me dancing with them. Dancing does not automatically lead to sex. Neither does kissing.

You can't be cuckold if your wife isn't cheating.

 

[Enlighten]

I like to dance. My husband is not big on dancing. He knows I like to dance and if we are out together somewhere where there is music and dancing and I am asked to dance by a male friend of mine, or maybe even a stranger, my husband would not have issue with me dancing with them. Dancing does not automatically lead to sex.

You will be tarred with the same brush as I at this rate lol

 

[Draka]

You will be tarred with the same brush as I at this rate lol

I don't care, I'll even supply the feathers.