the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Looncall]

that's would make problems because , it's just like exchange the roles "jobs " , there are jobs required only for women and there others required only for men, it's like when a human walking by his hand instead of his feet !!!! it's not make problem, but it's required to wake on you feet not your hands .
I am talking about religous view , and psychical and physical view .

Says who?

I do not know of any jobs that could not be done by either sex.

 

[Draka]

maybe because the technologie facilate the mechanic work there , but it's abuse to me let a kid (12 years old) working job required to adult and men !!!!!

How in the world was it abuse to let me help my dad when I wanted to? I was interested in doing it. I wanted to do it. I liked to work on cars. It made me proud to help my father and what I gained in knowledge from doing so has helped me in my life. How in the world could that possibly be taken as abusive?

I know the all the jobs give money , but for your opinion if you are working in Police station (policewoman) and your husband is just dishs clearner in restuarant , i am sure that you will be the only boss "man" of the house instead of him , and he becomes just a machine for sex and some money .

By that "logic" you obviously see a wife as nothing more than a "machine for sex" and possibly "some money". Why would a woman who happens to have the main income in a family think that way? Is that what you think is the mindset of most men? Spouses are supposed to be together because they want to be, because they love each other, not because of what their paycheck says.

here i never saw a female driver bus , how about when the wheel go down (sleep) how she could change it and she was alone , or ask the help of man ?

9_10ths Penguin answered this. A man could not change it by himself. Perhaps if a male bus driver called for help his help might arrive in the form of a woman.

in some case "emergency cases",not most of cases , the husband become babysister and his wife working out

"Emergency cases"? and "babysitter"? A father doesn't "babysit" his children. He parents them. Just like a mother doesn't "babysit" her children either.

ok ask your mother how much she love you , she will told you that she prefer to die instead of you , how you explain this emotion ?

You keep saying this nonsense. As if men wouldn't die to protect their children. As if fathers don't love their children as much as the mothers. As a parent, and the wife of a wonderful father, let me tell you how so very wrong you are. In fact. I'd say you are actually insulting men a lot here by trying to insist that mothers love and protect their children more than fathers. Who are you to gauge love?

this is not job , it's ability , giving by God to the female ,she is valontie and by instinct want to be mother , and i am sure that when you being mother you wil love your kids more than your self .

I AM a mother.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Godobeyer

I think most of us here do not relate in any way to your concepts about the nature or limitations of women.

Women are as moral, make as good leaders, as able, as pratical, as resilient, as intelligent, Strong willed, as faithful, and equal in every way to men except perhaps in physical strength.

In an free society, all things are permitted equally between men or women.

Our women soldiers , sailors, pilots, and police are as brave, and as effective as men. neither are prone to cry.

In terms of morals and faith, men are far more likely to be unfaithful, perverted or disrespectful of their partners.

 

[Godobeyer]

How in the world was it abuse to let me help my dad when I wanted to? I was interested in doing it. I wanted to do it. I liked to work on cars. It made me proud to help my father and what I gained in knowledge from doing so has helped me in my life. How in the world could that possibly be taken as abusive?

maybe because kids worked in this age "12" is illegale , and for my opinion it's abuse from your father to let you work mechanic and "especialy you are female " !!!!!
,did you feel now the diferent between the views ? abuse insubordinate wife vs abuse kid

By that "logic" you obviously see a wife as nothing more than a "machine for sex" and possibly "some money". Why would a woman who happens to have the main income in a family think that way? Is that what you think is the mindset of most men? Spouses are supposed to be together because they want to be, because they love each other, not because of what their paycheck says.

accaulty the main goal of mariage is satisfy us sexual with mercy and respect (not only sex) and second main goal is kids .

9_10ths Penguin answered this. A man could not change it by himself. Perhaps if a male bus driver called for help his help might arrive in the form of a woman.

i insist that bus driver is not required for female , especialy very soft females .

"Emergency cases"? and "babysitter"? A father doesn't "babysit" his children. He parents them. Just like a mother doesn't "babysit" her children either.

it's culture and tradition varied , we are different , here the moms are only the reponsible for their babies .

You keep saying this nonsense. As if men wouldn't die to protect their children. As if fathers don't love their children as much as the mothers. As a parent, and the wife of a wonderful father, let me tell you how so very wrong you are. In fact. I'd say you are actually insulting men a lot here by trying to insist that mothers love and protect their children more than fathers. Who are you to gauge love?

I know that fathers love their kids also
I keep saying because you avoid to answser my question
which is : if you one of this two choices ,1- to let your kids die or 2-die instead of your kids ?
what you would choice ?

I AM a mother.

good that make my previous question easy to understand .

 

[Looncall]

maybe because kids worked in this age "12" is illegale , and for my opinion it's abuse from your father to let you work mechanic and "especialy you are female " !!!!!
,did you feel now the diferent between the views ? abuse insubordinate wife vs abuse kid


accaulty the main goal of mariage is satisfy us sexual with mercy and respect (not only sex) and second main goal is kids .


i insist that bus driver is not required for female , especialy very soft females .


it's culture and tradition varied , we are different , here the moms are only the reponsible for their babies .


I know that fathers love their kids also
I keep saying because you avoid to answser my question
which is : if you one of this two choices ,1- to let your kids die or 2-die instead of your kids ?
what you would choice ?


good that make my previous question easy to understand .

This long conversation with so many people makes it clear (to me at least) how incompatible the values of muslim societies and those of western ones really are. Things you appear to take pride in are anathema here and vice-versa.

 

[Enlighten]

thanks for this reply sister .
I just told her , we are equal in right but not in duty .
I mean there are jobs and things required to men ,and other jobs required only for women . for exemple babysister is job required for woman . and bus driver required for men .

Nonsense, we have female bus drivers here in the UK and they perform the job just as well as male drivers. I also have no reason to think that male babysitters can't do just as good a job as a female, I just personally don't know any apart from those who are fathers so they are technically not babysitting.

 

[Enlighten]

In this Westerner's view, a man who needs to resort to physical violence to stop his wife from being unfaithful is more of a cuckold than a man who inspires faithfulness in his wife to the point where he knows he can trust her to embrace or dance with another man without it being a romantic overture.

I agree fully with this.

 

[Draka]

maybe because kids worked in this age "12" is illegale , and for my opinion it's abuse from your father to let you work mechanic and "especialy you are female " !!!!!
,did you feel now the diferent between the views ? abuse insubordinate wife vs abuse kid

There was no abuse. Was it abuse when, at the same age, I was helping my mother in the kitchen and learning to bake and cook some things? If helping my mother in the kitchen was not abuse, then how could helping my father in the garage be abuse? I don't see the difference.

accaulty the main goal of mariage is satisfy us sexual with mercy and respect (not only sex) and second main goal is kids .

The main goal of marriage is to satisfy sexual cravings??? Holy crap! And here I thought getting married had to do with love and respect and a common bond and wanting to share one's life with another. So, you DO see a woman as nothing more than a warm body for you to get your jollies with. A possession to please you. You might as well have a blow-up doll.

i insist that bus driver is not required for female , especialy very soft females .

You can insist all you want, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong and there are many female bus drivers in the world.

it's culture and tradition varied , we are different , here the moms are only the reponsible for their babies .

So men can make them, they just can't be bothered to care for them? I prefer the concept of a man caring for his children. You might find that women tend to be more attracted to men who are good and loving fathers who put in as much effort and time into caring for their kids as the mothers do.

I know that fathers love their kids also
I keep saying because you avoid to answser my question
which is : if you one of this two choices ,1- to let your kids die or 2-die instead of your kids ?
what you would choice ?

And again, you seem to already assume your answer, I just want to know why you don't seem to think that men would do the same? I also want to know what parental instinct has to do with the fact that men and women are socially constructed to emotionally react in different ways in general?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I am amazed any woman would want to marry a Muslim man, if you Ideas of what constitutes a marriage or how they must submit to their men is normal in Islam.

 

[Godobeyer]

There was no abuse. Was it abuse when, at the same age, I was helping my mother in the kitchen and learning to bake and cook some things? If helping my mother in the kitchen was not abuse, then how could helping my father in the garage be abuse? I don't see the difference.

for me ,helping your mother in kitchen is not abuse , but working with your father in garage in 12 years old is abuse .

The main goal of marriage is to satisfy sexual cravings??? Holy crap! And here I thought getting married had to do with love and respect and a common bond and wanting to share one's life with another. So, you DO see a woman as nothing more than a warm body for you to get your jollies with. A possession to please you. You might as well have a blow-up doll.

I did not tell that the mariage based only on sex . i tell you it's main reason to anyone want to married .
btw , what is the first thing happened between them in the weding day ?
look to be honest , if there is not attraction (sex appeal) between the male and female , why and how they married ?
accuatly you in the west do the sex before the mariage , and as i know , that very rare we found a girl stay virgin until her weding day or until her 18 years old .

You can insist all you want, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong and there are many female bus drivers in the world.

I don't tell that there is not females drive bus , i told you that it's not required for females to drive bus or truck .

So men can make them, they just can't be bothered to care for them? I prefer the concept of a man caring for his children. You might find that women tend to be more attracte d to men who are good and loving fathers who put in as much effort and time into caring for their kids as the mothers do.

both care about their kids but the mom should more .

And again, you seem to already assume your answer, I just want to know why you don't seem to think that men would do the same? I also want to know what parental instinct has to do with the fact that men and women are socially constructed to emotionally react in different ways in general?

no i dont aim the mother or father , i ask you as mother .
for me , if i will be father i will die for my kids , what about you

 

[Kerr]

for me ,helping your mother in kitchen is not abuse , but working with your father in garage in 12 years old is abuse .

Why? Because accidents can happen? Accidents can happen in the kitchen to, you know. Knives are sharp, kitchen stoves are hot, it doesnt take someone with my screwed up imagination to figure out that bad things can happen there.

i tell you it's main reason to anyone want to married .

I havent met any who married just because they wanted sex, lol.

for me , if i will be father i will die for my kids , what about you

Why is that question relevant, when you have already said mothers will die for their children?

 

[Draka]

for me ,helping your mother in kitchen is not abuse , but working with your father in garage in 12 years old is abuse .

Why? How is it any different? Helping and learning from a parent is helping and learning from a parent. Would it be abuse if a 12y/o boy were to help his mother in the kitchen? Would it be abuse if a 12y/o boy were to help his dad in the garage? And how is anything abuse if it is the child asking and wanting to help?

I did not tell that the mariage based only on sex . i tell you it's main reason to anyone want to married .
btw , what is the first thing happened between them in the weding day ?
look to be honest , if there is not attraction (sex appeal) between the male and female , why and how they married ?
accuatly you in the west do the sex before the mariage , and as i know , that very rare we found a girl stay virgin until her weding day or until her 18 years old .

I thought that the main reason that someone wanted to get married is that they loved a person and wanted to share their lives with someone. Sex is a side aspect to the relationship. What of people who cannot have normal sexual relations. You think they never fall in love and get married? Marriage is a bond, a union, it is not a contract for sex.

I don't tell that there is not females drive bus , i told you that it's not required for females to drive bus or truck .

It's not required that anyone be a bus driver. It's a job. Anyone that is qualified can be one.

both care about their kids but the mom should more .

Why shouldn't fathers care about their kids as much as mothers?

no i dont aim the mother or father , i ask you as mother .
for me , if i will be father i will die for my kids , what about you

Then what is the difference? You were trying to say that since maternal instinct drives protection of young that it is an inherent thing that was predetermined and not something socially influenced. If paternal instinct is the same then that is an inherent trait in both men and women. No difference. So again, what does that have to do with the assertion that men and women are different on a fundamental emotional level due to being born that way instead of being due to social and cultural influences?

 

[Godobeyer]

Why? Because accidents can happen? Accidents can happen in the kitchen to, you know. Knives are sharp, kitchen stoves are hot, it doesnt take someone with my screwed up imagination to figure out that bad things can happen there.

no because she was young , working in garage mechanic it's required for adults and men .

I havent met any who married just because they wanted sex, lol.

I did not say it's the only reason .
i am sure if you ask woman to marry you , then you will tell her that you would not make sex with her , she will reject you .

Why is that question relevant, when you have already said mothers will die for their children?

I don't remember why i asked that question but i will make back to my replies to know why .

 

[Draka]

no because she was young , working in garage mechanic it's required for adults and men .

Why? What is it about changing oil or a fuel filter or adjusting the timing on a car that requires a penis?

I don't remember why i asked that question but i will make back to my replies to know why .

You were trying to make some silly assertion that men and women are different emotionally because god predetermined them to be a certain way and that it didn't have to do with how a person was raised or what their culture and society deemed as acceptable. I believe you have failed in this.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why? How is it any different? Helping and learning from a parent is helping and learning from a parent. Would it be abuse if a 12y/o boy were to help his mother in the kitchen? Would it be abuse if a 12y/o boy were to help his dad in the garage? And how is anything abuse if it is the child asking and wanting to help?

come on, you were this pity girl :sad4:
[youtube]rSHZIf_csdI[/youtube]
Gesther - Young Girl Mechanic - YouTube

or like this pity kids

for my opinion this is digusting work for kids , especialy females .

I thought that the main reason that someone wanted to get married is that they loved a person and wanted to share their lives with someone. Sex is a side aspect to the relationship. What of people who cannot have normal sexual relations. You think they never fall in love and get married? Marriage is a bond, a union, it is not a contract for sex.

in the mariage especialy in the begining .
love and sex necessery to the mariage, any one missed the mariage destoryed .

It's not required that anyone be a bus driver. It's a job. Anyone that is qualified can be one.

it's your opinion .

Why shouldn't fathers care about their kids as much as mothers?

because the mother which take them 9 monthes and breatfeed them . even the animal we found the almost only females care about their kids .

Then what is the difference? You were trying to say that since maternal instinct drives protection of young that it is an inherent thing that was predetermined and not something socially influenced. If paternal instinct is the same then that is an inherent trait in both men and women. No difference. So again, what does that have to do with the assertion that men and women are different on a fundamental emotional level due to being born that way instead of being due to social and cultural influences?

for my opinion and experience ,in case of protection from dangerous ,there is different the mom love their kids more than the dad .

 

[Godobeyer]

Why? What is it about changing oil or a fuel filter or adjusting the timing on a car that requires a penis?

just 1 ? i guess more , because it's hard/dangerous job , did not required for kids or women .

You were trying to make some silly assertion that men and women are different emotionally because god predetermined them to be a certain way and that it didn't have to do with how a person was raised or what their culture and society deemed as acceptable. I believe you have failed in this.

I am not sure , but i will try to find out why .

 

[JMorris]

changing the oil in a car is hard, disgusting work.
changing a ****** diaper is........ uhhh........ my head hurts, i need to go lay down

 

[Draka]

come on, you were this pity girl :sad4:
[youtube]rSHZIf_csdI[/youtube]
Gesther - Young Girl Mechanic - YouTube

or like this pity kids

for my opinion this is digusting work for kids , especialy females .

Personally, I think that video is adorable and good for that father for teaching his daughter and she looks so happy to help her daddy. That's sweet bonding time right there. :yes: No need to pity. It's a beautiful sight.

in the mariage especialy in the begining .
love and sex necessery to the mariage, any one missed the mariage destoryed .

So someone who cannot have sex cannot get married? Is that your assertion?

it's your opinion .

It's fact. Women are just as capable at the job as men. Just because you don't like that doesn't mean it isn't so.

because the mother which take them 9 monthes and breatfeed them . even the animal we found the almost only females care about their kids .

for my opinion and experience ,in case of protection from dangerous ,there is different the mom love their kids more than the dad .

So, because the female carries the child and gives birth and nurses them the father cannot love them as much? Do you have any idea how absurd that is? You really are insulting fathers you know that?

just 1 ? i guess more , because it's hard/dangerous job , did not required for kids or women .

You want to speak of hard and dangerous? Carrying a pregnancy and giving birth is much harder than working on a car. It can be far more dangerous as well. Take it from a woman who has done both...many times.

 

[Godobeyer]

Personally, I think that video is adorable and good for that father for teaching his daughter and she looks so happy to help her daddy. That's sweet bonding time right there. :yes: No need to pity. It's a beautiful sight.

that 's your opinion , i am against kids working mechanic .

So someone who cannot have sex cannot get married? Is that your assertion?

in this forum , i taught that eveything is possible
for your opinion ,who accept to married some could not have sex ?

It's fact. Women are just as capable at the job as men. Just because you don't like that doesn't mean it isn't so.

So, because the female carries the child and gives birth and nurses them the father cannot love them as much? Do you have any idea how absurd that is? You really are insulting fathers you know that?

no, he love them but not much as the mother .

You want to speak of hard and dangerous? Carrying a pregnancy and giving birth is much harder than working on a car. It can be far more dangerous as well. Take it from a woman who has done both...many times.

right , carrying a pregnancy and giving birth is hard for woman , that why we suppose that avoid to be hard all the time for her . pregnany and work "hard works " it's not fair for her .
if you do everything , what we (men) suppose to do

 

[Godobeyer]

changing the oil in a car is hard, disgusting work.
changing a ****** diaper is........ uhhh........ my head hurts, i need to go lay down

agreed , me too
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