The demon problem

[Monotheist 101]

I am talking about people's problem believing demons are influences outside but they are influences inside.

And again we are not on the same page.

Why do you think it is a problem..Are you sure we are never influenced by anything other than ourselves?
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[savagewind]

And again we are not on the same page.

Why do you think it is a problem..Are you sure we are never influenced by anything other than ourselves?
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Of course we are influenced by the outside. But most of the outside is true. The weather is true. Most of science is true. The feelings people have for one another are true. I'm not talking about being influenced by the truth. I'm talking about being influenced by the lie.

Thank you for talking to me. A frubal coming your way

 

[Monotheist 101]

But most of the outside is true. The weather is true. Most of science is true. The feelings people have for one another are true. I'm not talking about being influenced by the truth. I'm talking about being influenced by the lie.

Thank you for talking to me. A frubal coming your way

Thanks for the frubal

I think you are talking about things that can be verified to be true through the use of our senses, the 3D, everything between the x and y axis.. What if we are not adequately equipped to perceive the other world because it is no on the same dimension.

 

[savagewind]

Thanks for the frubal

I think you are talking about things that can be verified to be true through the use of our senses, the 3D, everything between the x and y axis.. What if we are not adequately equipped to perceive the other world because it is no on the same dimension.

I do not see it as a problem. Why must the other world be perceived?

 

[savagewind]

I watched an investigation into the paranormal yesterday on TV. I thought how dumb human kind is. For all the time, the planning and the resources they got NOTHING but a show.

Why not use all that, and even make a show about it, for helping humanity lift itself up? There was a youtube video about people helping the homeless with food, water, clothes, shoes, even pizza. I liked watching that. It stirred my emotions. I thought the show about searching for paranormal was dumb.

They found heat spots in the walls and ceilings and interpreted it as paranormal activity. All I thought of was MICE.

 

[savagewind]

Going off topic.....

What else dumb human kind does is they try to reach other life forms on other planets to communicate with them. One scientist said that the reason we don't hear from them might be because their civilization gets destroyed before they reach the skill to reach out to other worlds. Hogwash I say.

They might be listening in right now. Why don't they let us know? It is because they are listening in. That is an outerspace joke but sadly it is true.

How so? They can plainly see we are not listening to each other. And they don't care about those who might listen. They know the people who might listen do not have a pure motive. They know it is true because those who will listen to outspace will not listen to inner space, or to each other.

 

[savagewind]

Back on topic. It is the case that when someone grows fond of their lie they will battle truth to keep the lie. That is how demons become dangerous. And that is what a demon problem is.

Angels carry messages. But the messages angels carry are true. Unless, of course, it is a deceptive message for the truth. That happens, but I think it's rare.

Demons are message carriers too. But those messages cause damage. Did no one ever wonder why demons are assigned eternal darkness by a loving God? It is because demons are false messages that cause damage.

 

[savagewind]

Why must the other world be perceived?

I thought of an answer, but I don't know if it's true.

People want to know the other world so that they might train themselves for battle.

Here's another one. Many people are weary of looking for love in this world so they seek the other world to find love.

Curiosity is the most obvious reason but there is so much in this world to investigate, I don't believe curiosity is a good reason. Battle isn't a good reason either. Love is a sad reason.

Can anyone think of a good reason?

Hello? (That's another joke) Oh my! I'm full of fun today.

 

[savagewind]

I don't have a pure motive? Tell me about it. If it might get you a point and you don't want a point you can private message me with um it.

What's a point

 

[Looncall]

Surely these notions of demons (and angels too) come from the habit of people in ancient times had of anthropomorphizing everything intangible. There is love? Make up a god for that! Evil things happen? Make up devils and demons for that! And on and on and on.

Religions have much to answer for, for propagating ancient errors.

 

[savagewind]

Surely these notions of demons (and angels too) come from the habit of people in ancient times had of anthropomorphizing everything intangible. There is love? Make up a god for that! Evil things happen? Make up devils and demons for that! And on and on and on.

Religions have much to answer for, for propagating ancient errors.

I would agree with you but I can't agree with you and also agree with Yeshua. God allowed the writing about demons and angels. I'm going with God and the prophets. Jesus spoke about them. He has the power to order them out. Yehoshua is the truth. That is how he does it imo.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Surely these notions of demons (and angels too) come from the habit of people in ancient times had of anthropomorphizing everything intangible. There is love? Make up a god for that! Evil things happen? Make up devils and demons for that! And on and on and on.

Religions have much to answer for, for propagating ancient errors.

Not to mention that many of the so-called demons and angels are merely demoted and slandered deities of other religions. Even the word "demon" was taken from the Greeks and inverted to mean an evil spirit. Originally Daimons/Daemons or Geniuses were nature divinities, guiding spirits, personifications of a person's Higher Self and the like. They were very similar to guardian angels. Even Zeus was identified as "Satan" in Revelation.

(I would contest your ill feeling toward Love Gods and Goddesses. Eros/Cupid and Aphrodite/Venus were lovely and were celebrations of erotic love and desire.)

 

[gilligan8914]

Is a demon something like a fairy?

 

[Orias]

A demon is believed to be a real character who causes trouble on purpose and there are believed to be many such characters.

It seems they are not mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures (OT) but Jesus spoke of them. What are they?

Satan is called the father of the lie and it is taught demons belong to him.

So demons and lies coexist.

Demon might be the name of something that believes it is right but it is wrong. If that is correct a demon need not be something on purpose and a demon might not be malevolent but still very dangerous.

It all depends, is a lie counterproductive to another lie?

 

[savagewind]

It all depends, is a lie counterproductive to another lie?

Religious Forums is all about mental exercise this week.

Does one lie hinder another lie? Is that the question?

Are you calling me a liar? I should report you.

Does one lie get in the way of the progress of another lie? Probably.

Have I even hit the target?

 

[Orias]

Religious Forums is all about mental exercise this week.

Does one lie hinder another lie? Is that the question?

Are you calling me a liar? I should report you.

Does one lie get in the way of the progress of another lie? Probably.

Have I even hit the target?

Haha!

Well if a lie hinders a lie, then is it really a lie?

Religious Forums seems to be about mental exercise everyday!

 

[Monk Of Reason]

When I was a Christian the generally accepted answer within my previous circle was that "Demons" are both real and not. Real as in the Devil exists but not real in the fact that they are not solid evil beings with horns and pitch forks. It was more akin to the phrase "Got some demons" which would mean problems or issues that caused them significant harm. The devil would be the souce of these problems and that was what they called demons.

 

[Ingledsva]

A demon is believed to be a real character who causes trouble on purpose and there are believed to be many such characters.

It seems they are not mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures (OT) but Jesus spoke of them. What are they?

Satan is called the father of the lie and it is taught demons belong to him.

So demons and lies coexist.

Demon might be the name of something that believes it is right but it is wrong. If that is correct a demon need not be something on purpose and a demon might not be malevolent but still very dangerous.

From some of the verses, it would appear that they are nothing but health, and other problems, anthropomorphized.

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[Looncall]

I would agree with you but I can't agree with you and also agree with Yeshua. God allowed the writing about demons and angels. I'm going with God and the prophets. Jesus spoke about them. He has the power to order them out. Yehoshua is the truth. That is how he does it imo.

I find this point of view incomprehensible, but I have encountered its like before.

I was discussing with a relative some bigotry his church promotes. He told me that he realized it was bigotry, and wrong, but, since it was church doctrine, he would still support it. Amazing!

One would think that you consider reality to be optional.

 

[idav]

The problem is not with demons. The problem is with the idea that demons have a life.

So it is not simply a demon problem. It is a people problem. People who read the Bible believe demons are creatures. Are they? I don't think so. Isn't that a problem?

Alot of the problem lies in spirituality itself. The definitions for spirit are as wide and varied as definitions for god or love. Then there is the need to personify this spirit and can be taken to the point of personifying our own emotions. Are emotions spirit and would that be our spirit?