Or is it that the Jinns are a Human creation so that every time someone does something bad there is something to blame instead of taking the responsibility ourselves.
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But you only think this because of the invisible man-bear-pig that can control you and the invisible badgers around you... Don't you see!
IMAM
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I truly wish what you say was true, but like I have said these are an entity created from smokeless fire, and they influence the thoughts and behaviour of man to lead them astray. In time I will try to enlighten you with this reality, in the meantime one should learn how to protect oneself from these entities who watch you from places you cannot see.
Mine also. I quote myself on the last such thread:
No such thing as a revolt in heaven or fallen angels in Judaism.
IMAM
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72. Surah Al-Jinn (The Jinn)
1. Say (O Muhammad
): "It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinns listened (to this Qur'an). They said: 'Verily! We have heard a wonderful Recital (this Qur'an)!
2. 'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allah).
3. 'And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).
4. 'And that the foolish among us [i.e. Iblis (Satan) or the polytheists amongst the jinns] used to utter against Allah that which was wrong and not right.
5. 'And verily, we thought that men and jinns would not utter a lie against Allah.
6. 'And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.
7. 'And they thought as you thought, that Allah will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).
8. 'And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
9. 'And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
10. 'And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them a Right Path.
11. 'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).
12. 'And we think that we cannot escape (from the punishment of) Allah in the earth, nor can we escape (from the punishment) by flight.
13. 'And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Qur'an), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in punishment for his sins.
14. 'And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Qur'an), and of us some are Al-Qasitun (disbelievers those who have deviated from the Right Path)'. And whosoever has embraced Islam (i.e. has become a Muslim by submitting to Allah), then such have sought the Right Path."
15. And as for the Qasitun (disbelievers who deviated from the Right Path), they shall be firewood for Hell,
16. If they (non-Muslims) had believed in Allah, and went on the Right Way (i.e. Islam) We should surely have bestowed on them water (rain) in abundance.
17. That We might try them thereby. And whosoever turns away from the Reminder of his Lord (i.e. this Qur'an, and practice not its laws and orders), He will cause him to enter in a severe torment (i.e. Hell).
18. And the mosques are for Allah (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allah.
19. (It has been revealed to me that) When the slave of Allah (Muhammad
) stood up invoking (his Lord Allah) in prayer to Him they (the jinns) just made round him a dense crowd as if sticking one over the other (in order to listen to the Prophet's recitation).
20. Say (O Muhammad
): "I invoke only my Lord (Allah Alone), and I associate none as partners along with Him."
21. Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path."
22. Say (O Muhammad
): "None can protect me from Allah's punishment (if I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him.
23. "(Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allah and His Messages (of Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, for him is the Fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever ."
24. Till, when they see that which they are promised, then they will know who it is that is weaker concerning helpers and less important concerning numbers.
25. Say (O Muhammad
): "I know not whether (the punishment) which you are promised is near or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term.
26. "(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."
27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.
28. [He (Allah) protects them (the Messengers)], till He sees that they (the Messengers) have conveyed the Messages of their Lord (Allah). And He (Allah) surrounds all that which is with them, and He (Allah) keeps count of all things (i.e. He knows the exact number of everything).
2. 'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allah).
3. 'And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).
4. 'And that the foolish among us [i.e. Iblis (Satan) or the polytheists amongst the jinns] used to utter against Allah that which was wrong and not right.
5. 'And verily, we thought that men and jinns would not utter a lie against Allah.
6. 'And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.
7. 'And they thought as you thought, that Allah will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).
8. 'And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
9. 'And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
10. 'And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them a Right Path.
11. 'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).
12. 'And we think that we cannot escape (from the punishment of) Allah in the earth, nor can we escape (from the punishment) by flight.
13. 'And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Qur'an), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in punishment for his sins.
14. 'And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Qur'an), and of us some are Al-Qasitun (disbelievers those who have deviated from the Right Path)'. And whosoever has embraced Islam (i.e. has become a Muslim by submitting to Allah), then such have sought the Right Path."
15. And as for the Qasitun (disbelievers who deviated from the Right Path), they shall be firewood for Hell,
16. If they (non-Muslims) had believed in Allah, and went on the Right Way (i.e. Islam) We should surely have bestowed on them water (rain) in abundance.
17. That We might try them thereby. And whosoever turns away from the Reminder of his Lord (i.e. this Qur'an, and practice not its laws and orders), He will cause him to enter in a severe torment (i.e. Hell).
18. And the mosques are for Allah (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allah.
19. (It has been revealed to me that) When the slave of Allah (Muhammad
20. Say (O Muhammad
21. Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path."
22. Say (O Muhammad
23. "(Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allah and His Messages (of Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, for him is the Fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever ."
24. Till, when they see that which they are promised, then they will know who it is that is weaker concerning helpers and less important concerning numbers.
25. Say (O Muhammad
26. "(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."
27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.
28. [He (Allah) protects them (the Messengers)], till He sees that they (the Messengers) have conveyed the Messages of their Lord (Allah). And He (Allah) surrounds all that which is with them, and He (Allah) keeps count of all things (i.e. He knows the exact number of everything).
IMAM
Member
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ly6v6u...eature=related (Do you Believe in Ghosts? )
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEshw...eature=related (Islamic Exorcism)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ouOXWgJS-gc (Jinn praying Namaaz)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mcONYg...eature=related (Devil woman)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=tiQ16_...eature=related (Alien Creature)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCLnC...eature=related (Strange creatures & paranormal pictures)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ihX6H4...eature=related (something like Jinn)
What is Jinn? http://www.islamonline.net/english/I...ic_02/02.shtml
What is Jinn? http://www.islamiclifestyles.com/Jinn.htm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEshw...eature=related (Islamic Exorcism)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ouOXWgJS-gc (Jinn praying Namaaz)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mcONYg...eature=related (Devil woman)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=tiQ16_...eature=related (Alien Creature)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCLnC...eature=related (Strange creatures & paranormal pictures)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ihX6H4...eature=related (something like Jinn)
What is Jinn? http://www.islamonline.net/english/I...ic_02/02.shtml
What is Jinn? http://www.islamiclifestyles.com/Jinn.htm
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
imam,Stop posting utterly stupid comments,
1)Satan is present only Islam and Christianity ,not even in Judaism(i guess),certainly not present in any Dharmaic religions.Again ,u are extrapolating ur beliefs here.
2)If satan is there ,then it implies the following abt the God which u are praying
--->The God is not omnipotent and hence it cannot kill Satan.If indeed god is onmipresent,god is present in satan too .
---->Or the God is Sadisitic.But then u say god is all forgiving and merciful.
1)Satan is present only Islam and Christianity ,not even in Judaism(i guess),certainly not present in any Dharmaic religions.Again ,u are extrapolating ur beliefs here.
2)If satan is there ,then it implies the following abt the God which u are praying
--->The God is not omnipotent and hence it cannot kill Satan.If indeed god is onmipresent,god is present in satan too .
---->Or the God is Sadisitic.But then u say god is all forgiving and merciful.
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IMAM
Member
whatever religion you might profess yourself to be old chap, the reality is that satan is very much around, I mean if you are lets suppose a worshipper of the fairy tooth godmother, then that is your look out, that does not mean that satan is not there ? I mean if there were so many gods in the heavines would there not be a rift up there, look above do you see any disharmony?? And by the way there is no such thing as my God or your God, I suggest you educate yourself a little bit more about the truth, before displaying yourself to be inadequate in your investigations to knowing the absolute truth. 
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Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
Carry on Imam.Your proofs has been the most convincing ones that I have ever seen here on this forum.:sarcastic
.Your proofs has been the most convincing ones that I have ever seen here on this forum.:sarcastic
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IMAM
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You must understand one thing, I have not come hear to prove anything, I am merely exchanging thoughts and things which it obviously seems you are not aware of, it makes no diffeence to me whether you beleive in what I say or not, but it is my duty as a member of the brotherhood of man to infomr you of things which you know not. Most of the minds in the life of the world have been constricted to beleive in merely things which has been embedded into their minds, and without any justification one firmly says that what I say is correct or maybe not
Let me just give you a small example of how insignificant we mortals are, God is not uneasy with those creatures who do not invoke HIM, in the end we will all come to know the inevitable. Do you know what a Qarin is? do you the composition of the spritual essence of Man, meaning how is he able to receive spritual messages, surely you will again say words of a madman, but truly do you think that what you see is the true reality, perhaps you need to be acquainted with the unseen.
Let me just give you a small example of how insignificant we mortals are, God is not uneasy with those creatures who do not invoke HIM, in the end we will all come to know the inevitable. Do you know what a Qarin is? do you the composition of the spritual essence of Man, meaning how is he able to receive spritual messages, surely you will again say words of a madman, but truly do you think that what you see is the true reality, perhaps you need to be acquainted with the unseen.
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
Al Qarin is a place on that very same island famous locally for its fantastic beaches of almost pure white coral sand - an idyllic location in the hot Arabian sunshine.
I got some info from here
Al Qarin Home Page
I got some info from here
Al Qarin Home Page
whatever religion you might profess yourself to be old chap, the reality is that satan is very much around, I mean if you are lets suppose a worshipper of the fairy tooth godmother, then that is your look out, that does not mean that satan is not there ? I mean if there were so many gods in the heavines would there not be a rift up there, look above do you see any disharmony?? And by the way there is no such thing as my God or your God, I suggest you educate yourself a little bit more about the truth, before displaying yourself to be inadequate in your investigations to knowing the absolute truth.
What a breathtakingly arrogant and patronising post!
Why not just explain your beliefs without insulting people's intelligence? And the reality is not that 'Satan is all around'.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oh come now, do you really think that most of us have not thought of all this before you waltzed onto the scene?
Are you implying that your audience is not also a part of the brotherhood of man and that the unsuspecting reader is somehow outside that elite club? Answer this one question. "Why should anyone believe a word you are saying?"
Likewise and sadly, the converse is also true. Veils have two sides.Most of the minds in the life of the world have been constricted to beleive in merely things which has been embedded into their minds, and without any justification one firmly says that what I say is correct or maybe not
Time as it is generally conceived is an illusion, therefore to speak of "ends" is actually quite meaningless. No doubt you think there was a "beginning" point to the universe.
Can't say that I do. I am quite familiar with the Qur'an (aka Koran) however.
I am already well acquainted with the so-called "unseen" and that is why I tend to roll my eyes at those who talk on this subject as if they had any actual authority.
For the most part, the average human animal does not understand the reason they see what they do. What most do not realize is that human animals see precisely what they expect to see. Such is the nature of the "unseen" in that it immediately conforms to any preconceptions the viewing has and are quite instantaneously manifested.
IMAM
Member
I am really enjoying all these wondrous comments and with certainty I am truly touched by all your words and truly it saddens me to such an extent that I feel helpless in being able to inform you all of things which it seems you are all not familar with, it is quite understandable for what I have read is something most of you have not been able to grasp onto and I understand all that I say to you seems like the words of a man possessed!
There is only one who has full authority and command over things, and well if we do open our eyes and mind ,we will know that it is our creator who possesses this. Surely with certainty there is a mesaage in this world which is in this world which speaks the truth, it is just, it seems that most of you have not been acquainted with it, and like I have said I understand fully as to why this has happened, trust me it is no fault of yours whatsoever.
Many of us in this world do not truly beleive in Angels, many do not even know how many Angels are deputed to mankind, many cannot comprehend that there are demons who also dwell amongst mankind, we simply say that either man is like an angel or man is like a demon, surely these words have been created but for a reason which is only known to the men of understanding. All that we can do is ridicule the other and think that what one says is ludicrious because one says bring me the proof if what you say is the truth but we all know that line is as old as the time when Moses parted the red sea do we not, or when Jonah was in the whale for two days, or possibly when jesus fed the five thousand and so on and so forth, and still man did not or does not beleive, this is the nature of man, he will not even beleive even if a piece of the heaven was sent down to him, he would say heaps of clouds. The realms of the infinite Cosmic Creator is such that a human mind cannot grasp onto but that does not mean it is not there, I mean does not one wonder how the universe continues to expand where there is no end to it, and yet the scientists continue in their plight to prove the non existant of a superior force watching over all HIS creatures as if HE was on a tower. Mankind is ingrate and he is only content with the outward appearnce of the life of the world and he cannot see beyond that.
And that is where our good old enemy Iblees has taken full advantage of this notion of making certain that we as mankind continue to argue and bicker amongst each other, and Hats off to him for befooling all of us into beleiving that he is a figment of our imagination. I gain nothing for trying to prove myself to all of you, I am fully content with the knowledge that I have and I can assure all of you I am here not to be arrogant or prove anything, but just as a freind who might be allowed to speak my mind, and it is entirely up to the audience to rebuke the words that I utter from my mouth, or maybe just maybe take a little bit of what I say to be the truth, which might aid another brother or sister into living a happy and meaningful life.
When I was in exile in Ascot for 9 years I had the privilege of being taught by the One who Knows All
We today are living in the most difficult and miserable times, the economic turmoil, the wars, the famines, the Evil, the Earthquakes and natural disasters, this is the evident truth and this is soemthing that we must all come to to terms with, and as time passes by, the world will continue to be despoiled, until and unless we as mankind all reach to a common ground, and by the looks of it, the Evident truth is the only remedy for mankind.
There is only one who has full authority and command over things, and well if we do open our eyes and mind ,we will know that it is our creator who possesses this. Surely with certainty there is a mesaage in this world which is in this world which speaks the truth, it is just, it seems that most of you have not been acquainted with it, and like I have said I understand fully as to why this has happened, trust me it is no fault of yours whatsoever.
Many of us in this world do not truly beleive in Angels, many do not even know how many Angels are deputed to mankind, many cannot comprehend that there are demons who also dwell amongst mankind, we simply say that either man is like an angel or man is like a demon, surely these words have been created but for a reason which is only known to the men of understanding. All that we can do is ridicule the other and think that what one says is ludicrious because one says bring me the proof if what you say is the truth
but we all know that line is as old as the time when Moses parted the red sea do we not, or when Jonah was in the whale for two days, or possibly when jesus fed the five thousand and so on and so forth, and still man did not or does not beleive, this is the nature of man, he will not even beleive even if a piece of the heaven was sent down to him, he would say heaps of clouds. The realms of the infinite Cosmic Creator is such that a human mind cannot grasp onto but that does not mean it is not there, I mean does not one wonder how the universe continues to expand where there is no end to it, and yet the scientists continue in their plight to prove the non existant of a superior force watching over all HIS creatures as if HE was on a tower. Mankind is ingrate and he is only content with the outward appearnce of the life of the world and he cannot see beyond that.And that is where our good old enemy Iblees has taken full advantage of this notion of making certain that we as mankind continue to argue and bicker amongst each other, and Hats off to him for befooling all of us into beleiving that he is a figment of our imagination. I gain nothing for trying to prove myself to all of you, I am fully content with the knowledge that I have and I can assure all of you I am here not to be arrogant or prove anything, but just as a freind who might be allowed to speak my mind, and it is entirely up to the audience to rebuke the words that I utter from my mouth, or maybe just maybe take a little bit of what I say to be the truth, which might aid another brother or sister into living a happy and meaningful life.
When I was in exile in Ascot for 9 years I had the privilege of being taught by the One who Knows All
We today are living in the most difficult and miserable times, the economic turmoil, the wars, the famines, the Evil, the Earthquakes and natural disasters, this is the evident truth and this is soemthing that we must all come to to terms with, and as time passes by, the world will continue to be despoiled, until and unless we as mankind all reach to a common ground, and by the looks of it, the Evident truth is the only remedy for mankind.
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
I am sure Qarin is a beautiful island destination .I can get u some pictures too.
Wandered Off
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Of cousre, as you are but a mere possession of the badgers.
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
Hmmm...that person may be our old friend Iblees probably.By the way u seem to know lot about ur friend.When I was in exile in Ascot for 9 years I had the privilege of being taught by the One who Knows All
Interestingly,this thread brings to light some of the religions which bind their followers so dogmatically,that the followers sound absolutely insane and completely insensitive to other beliefs.These religions frequently engage in active propaganda of their faith as a part of a moral obligation and may sometimes attract huge number of followers.Such actions when critically analysed and questioned,expose their baseness of their own nature.This indeed is the fate any path that considers itself to be having a absolute monopoly in reaching the goal.The time is ripe,for these religions to reform themselves.
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IMAM
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Well If I Told you chaps a story you would once again mock me and ridicule me, so let us leave it at that shall we. Qarin My dear brother is an intimate freind which has been appointed to each human being, and on the day when we will all scurry forth out of our graves, we will come to see our intimate freind