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The Divine Feminine

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
What are your thoughts on the Divine Feminine (or the feminine aspects of the Deity)?

Does your religion accept the Goddess, or would be blasphemy to even consider such a thing?

Why has major modern religions largely ignored the Goddess and do you think the exclusion of a Feminine Divinity correlates to the diminshed role of women in these religions?

Do you worship or honor Her, if you do how and is it different from how you honor or worship God (or the masculine aspects of the Deity)?
 

Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
I was so happy to see this post. I was going to post a similar subject today. I need info on the feminine aspect of the Divine and will be writing a paper on it. The Catholics have Mary and female saints. Judaism has the Shekhina and Matronit. Islam has no Feminine aspect. Muhammad borrowed the Shekhina from Judaism, called it the Sakina and made it neuter.

What about Buddhism? Would you consider Buddhism to have a feminine aspect? They do go beyond the opposites and this would infer the feminine. What about Protestants? They don't worship Mary, however the message of Jesus has feminine aspects to it, i.e. sacrifice, meekness, humbleness. In Taoism, the Tao is considered the "Mother of all creation." I would very much appreciate any info you have on this topic.
 
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She is Sophia...
She is Binah
She is mother , whore. lover,sister, child, grandmother, creator, destroyer, bringer of death, life, pain , cruelty, the holy grail, the vesel of the divine, the 5th element, the shekinah , the holy spirit, the weaver ariadne, elohim and adonai..

She is to be worshipped, adored and feared......
like all women...

she is hands when he is mind
She is potential when he is energy
She is the earth ..the queen of the faeries..she is all..she is everything and nothing

maiden mother crone
womb..vagina...grail...transformation
Ariadne...the destroyer of all

Diana in the leaves green,
Luna that so bright doth sheen,
Persephone in hell
(ancient Cornish poem)
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Dear Lightkeeper,

As a protestant (member of the Church of Sweden = Lutheran), I of course see God as a man, with no use for a woman at his side. Isn't he all-powerful? That should suffice for him. What might happen if the jealous God of the old Testment had a female partner? As to the message of Jesus as marketed by Paul, I personally refuse to see "sacrifice, meekness, humbleness" as exclusively feminine qualities. Can't I be humble if I need to? Please!?

As a Buddhist, at least of the Old Teachings (the Theravada) school, I do not believe in any gods. Later, there is a feminine aspect, in that a male Bodhisattva (called Avalokiteshvara in India) was imported to China as a goddess of mercy or compassion, named Guanyin (Japanese: Kwannon). An interesting story tells us that the Buddha thought that buddhism would only last for 500 years after his allowing women to become nuns; otherwise, he said, it would have lasted for a thousand years. However, the religion has done quite well, in spite of the nuns. The nuns do not have the same status and standing as the men, but should be subordinate to monks.

As a Daoist, I follow the "Road/Way". It cannot be described, and accordingly you cannot refer to it as masculine or feminine (or in any other way). There is no worship, and no dialogue with the Way is required, so the mode of addressing it never is a problem. From a practical point of view, you try not to disturb or harm nature. I have not dug into this aspect yet, but I get a feeling that gender equality must be included.

As a Sikh, I believe in and practice equality between all sexes, creeds, skin colours, social classes, occupations, etc. The holy book Sri Guru Granth Sahib (or Adi Granth) is very clear in that the revered "True Name", although beyond description in human words, is referred to as our father AND mother.

Anders
 

Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
As to the message of Jesus as marketed by Paul, I personally refuse to see "sacrifice, meekness, humbleness" as exclusively feminine qualities. Can't I be humble if I need to? Please!?


I have a masculine side. Are you saying a man can't have a feminine side or feminine qualities? Thank you so much for all of the info.
 
:roll: there is a certain school opf thought that equates the Shekinah with the Holy spirit,,,in christianity...thus God of christianity does have a feminine aspect....but sssh its a secret

Buddhism and no Gods..how does that relate to hinduism?
What did the buddha mean when asked by demons about all he had seen...and he stuck his finger in the ground?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
In most native creation tales Creator is refered to as a he, wether this is from modern custom or tradition I can't say for shure.... what I can say is that all the elders I've talked with have refered to ceator as gender neutral. Creator is everything, so how can it be one or the other? As far as the power of the Feminine, it was thought of as equil to or in the case of menstration greater then the Masculin. Women on thier "moon time" are widely thought to be too powerful for the poor men to handle. :oops:

wa:-do
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Lightkeeper,

I wanted to make a humble impression to make it clear that I see no reason to give one gender a monopoly on certain qualities.

Master Hoomer,

If we think of the same image, the finger is not in the ground. When the evil Mara tried to tempt, bribe and threaten the Buddha to abandon humanity by not pursuing the way to Nibbana/Nirvana, the encounter ended with the Buddha's taking Earth as his witness that he would go on following his way. In doing this, he touched the earth with his right hand. The earth spoke out for him, and the demon realised that the Buddha had won. This touching-the-earth-gesture is very common in Buddha statues.

Two examples of Buddhist beliefs that are rather the opposite of Hinduism.
B: No God, H: Any number of Gods (although some people will argue that they are manifestations of one God.) Some Godesses seem to be just attributes to their husbands, but Kali once saved the world by defeating a demon, against which all the male Gods together were powerless.
B: The Buddha invited all kinds of people, regardless of social standing, gender, "caste" etc. to hear his teachings. Older (I hope) H: If a person of low social status accidentally overheard the words of the Vedas, the punishment was that molten lead should be poured into his/her ears.

Anders
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
What are your thoughts on the Divine Feminine (or the feminine aspects of the Deity)?

I believe God is the sum of all energy found anywhere and everywhere in the universe: male and female, positive and negative, and “good and evil”, and I believe that the force that is God is incomprehensible as a whole: just as we cannot understand the world as a whole but we can BEGIN to understand the world by studying its parts, we also cannot comprehend God as a whole but can begin to understand It by studying its various aspects. Because I believe God is everything, including the polar energies of the masculine and feminine, acknowledging the feminine aspect of God as well as the male is a necessity in my journey to understanding God as a whole.

Does your religion accept the Goddess, or would be blasphemy to even consider such a thing?

Being largely agnostic and not entirely positive what religion my beliefs correlate to (though I think Unitarianism is the best bet), I have to make my own personal choices about religion. I accept the Goddess as a part of God. For me, it is “blasphemy” to ignore the feminine aspect of God and only acknowledge the male (or acknowledge only the feminine and ignore the male).

Why has major modern religions largely ignored the Goddess and do you think the exclusion of a Feminine Divinity correlates to the diminshed role of women in these religions?

I think the major religions have ignored the feminine aspect of God because their vision of God reflects their society. There are two kinds of societies: those that regard themselves as PART of nature, and those that regard themselves as lords OVER nature.

Societies that recognize themselves as part of nature acknowledge nature as a divine power, and they tend to correlate the phenomenon of Creation with what they view in nature: it takes a male and a female to create new life. Therefore, those kinds of societies view God as either one force with a dual feminine and masculine nature, or they believe in many Gods, male and female, who procreate to create the world. For example, basic ancient Druid thought was that there are many Gods, male and female, and a female God impregnated by a male God gave birth to the world, but all these Gods are part of one Source.

Paternalistic societies that view humans to be above nature, rather than a part of it, generally reject the view of nature as a divine force. Therefore, they do not see the correlation between natural procreation and the Creative powers of God. For them, man is above nature, and God is above man, and all are separate. Yet it is funny to note that these societies still define God based on that which they see in their own world; because God allowed us to lord over nature, It must find us favorable. Because we are favorable in the eyes of God, we must have similar qualities to It. If we share similar qualities with God, It must have created us in Its image, and because God is One it is impossible for It to be both male AND female, and because It is supreme it must therefore be the “stronger” sex… male, which is physically stronger and sometimes believed to be mentally stronger as well. Thus, God is One, and He is male.

The latter societies therefore have a REASON to view women as less than men; men are more like God than women are, and therefore are superior. The former societies, however, viewed women as physically weaker than men, but full of as much spiritual potential. In ancient times they may not have been equal to men, but they were much freer than woman of paternalistic societies.

Do you worship or honor Her, if you do how and is it different from how you honor or worship God (or the masculine aspects of the Deity)?

For me, it is not so important to worship God as to try to understand It and become closer to It. This includes reaffirming the divinity of nature and life by experiencing its beauty, understanding my role in the world and striving to be the best I can be, caring for others and trying to help them, etc. However, I do feel it is important to acknowledge God Itself sometimes, although this a personal thing rather than something God requires of us. And it is easier to work with the individual aspects of God than God in Its entirety. Thus, I do seperately honor the feminine aspect of God, as well as the masculine and any other relevant aspects. It can be anything from a full blown out fertility ritual, to meditation upon an idea or an image, to the composition of devotional poetry or the singing of a song about life and beauty.
 
Master Hoomer,

If we think of the same image, the finger is not in the ground. When the evil Mara tried to tempt, bribe and threaten the Buddha to abandon humanity by not pursuing the way to Nibbana/Nirvana, the encounter ended with the Buddha's taking Earth as his witness that he would go on following his way. In doing this, he touched the earth with his right hand. The earth spoke out for him, and the demon realised that the Buddha had won. This touching-the-earth-gesture is very common in Buddha statues.

Two examples of Buddhist beliefs that are rather the opposite of Hinduism.
B: No God, H: Any number of Gods (although some people will argue that they are manifestations of one God.) Some Godesses seem to be just attributes to their husbands, but Kali once saved the world by defeating a demon, against which all the male Gods together were powerless.
B: The Buddha invited all kinds of people, regardless of social standing, gender, "caste" etc. to hear his teachings. Older (I hope) H: If a person of low social status accidentally overheard the words of the Vedas, the punishment was that molten lead should be poured into his/her ears.

Anders



Ok I'm not a buddhist..its not my place to tell you what to belioeve....
My teacvher however takes a different stance and says the finger in the earth indeed refers to the earth beign his witness....but he also goes one further and says most western buddhists ..in their striving for an essentially athiestistic religion....push aside the notion that the Buddha also meant one has to be in harmony with the earth adn all its beings .......


If buddhists have no Gods...why are their numerous buddhist fairy tales about Gods....such as my fave childhood one..about the monkey God..a pig God..a fiosh God and a virgin.....

He rode a cloud and have a big stick that grew bigger when he blew on it (ooo errr missus)......

Caste is a latrer invention by the english and the yugoslavians..not indian hindus......I ahve this on good authority from my Hindu friend Shiva shiva co co pops.... :lol: :shock: :D

I realise you'll think I'm wrong ..and its NOT my place..it is YOR relgion not mine..lol......just making comments
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Dear Hoomer,

Buddhism is not my religion. But I like many aspects of it.

I should have made myself more clear. I referred to the original Buddhism. Later varieties have introduced gods and godesses.

As to the Buddha's finger, my interpretation is based primarily on a book written by Dr. W. Rahula, a Theravada (Old school) Buddhist monk from Sri Lanka. Other books by prominent scholars share that view. This does not exclude the very nice aspect of being in harmony with nature, but I do not think that this was the original meaning.

When you write "fairy tales...monkey God...fish God" my limited knowledge cannot refer to any Buddhist stories, but I immediately think of the Hindu monkey general Hanuman, and the many avatars of the Hindu God Vishnu (fish, tortoise, boar etc. etc.)

Who invented the caste/varna/jati/gotra system(s) is a complicated question. It would be enough for several doctoral theses and many books. A four-fold division is mentioned in the very last part of the Rig-Veda, so this division is very old (if it was practised at that time...) The English may have promoted it, directly or indirectly, but books on Hinduism as well as books on Indian history seem to very carefully avoid the subject. I find it very improbable, though, that Yugoslavians could have been involved.

Anders
 
Some answers I got.....It makes no sense to me...lol


Shiva: Varna is the original division of society based on aptitude.. and could be changed... gotra is a family designation, caste is a portugues word that was imposed upon the indians by the colonialists


Shiva: jata is a further more complicated division of caste

Shiva: jati.. yes... sorry (or jathi, as mith has it)

Mithuna: hooms.. varna in sanskrit has different meanings depending on its use

Mithuna: and context
 
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