The Donald Trump Rape Trial is underway.

[SkepticThinker]

Yuck. This seems particularly so for kids raped by clergy.
A statute of limitations on taking court action works
against justice. Sure, old cases are weakened, but
they should be able to proceed.

Definitely.

I mean, I do wish I reported the rape at the time. But hindsight is 20/20 and I think I addressed some very real issues as to why a lot of people don't report at the time. In my opinion, the #MeToo Movement helped remove some of the stigma and shame associated with this stuff and helped empower people to speak out, but we've still got a lot of work to do, I think. Judging from some of the attitudes I still come across.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well sure. I addressed this. Did you read anything I said about it??

You changed the point here though. You just said it speaks to the victim's credibility.

More rape culture nonsense. There are far more rape claims that have gone unreported than there have been "false claims." This just adds to the myriad reasons why people are often hesitant to report rapes in the first place.

Perhaps you could address my points and answer the questions I posed to you.

I answer: rapes hardly are witnessed by thirds.
That's true.

But could you answer my question, too?
If I say I was raped by Leonardo Di Caprio, why shouldn't you believe me?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I doubt there will be a conviction, but the woman says she just needed to at least go public with this.

I do believe that this is a civil trial, not a criminal one. And for a civil trial a unanimous verdict is not needed in all states. Just a second

And a unanimous jury verdict is not needed for a civil trial in New York. only 5 out of 6 or 10 out of 12 need to find for the plaintent:

New York Consolidated Laws, Civil Practice Law and Rules - CVP § 4113 | FindLaw

New York Civil Practice Law and Rules CVP NY CPLR Section 4113. Read the code on FindLaw

codes.findlaw.com

And if you read the article there are reports from leaked "jurors" at practice trials that they found against Trump in practice trials.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I answer: rapes hardly are witnessed by thirds.
That's true.

So then you realize your question is kind of silly?

But could you answer my question, too?
If I say I was raped by Leonardo Di Caprio, why shouldn't you believe me?

It depends on what you have to say about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Definitely.

I mean, I do wish I reported the rape at the time. But hindsight is 20/20 and I think I addressed some very real issues as to why a lot of people don't report at the time. In my opinion, the #MeToo Movement helped remove some of the stigma and shame associated with this stuff and helped empower people to speak out, but we've still got a lot of work to do, I think. Judging from some of the attitudes I still come across.

One does what one can, when one can.
You hadn't yet become the person you now are.

I don't always spout platitudes,
but when I do, I drink Dos Equis.
(Not really.)

 

[Estro Felino]

It depends on what you have to say about it.

I didn't get it.
Elaborate.
It depends on what?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't get it.
Elaborate.
It depends on what?

Did you ever meet him? Were you ever alone with him? Would be tops on my list. Carroll can show that both of those claims are true. More than that is needed, but it is a good start.

 

[fantome profane]

I understand it happened in the nineties.
Does she have zero witnesses?
Because she should have filed a lawsuit 17 years ago.
If she has zero witnesses, what makes her credible?
It's Trump's word against hers.

Why should I believe her?

Do you at least agree that she deserves her day in court?

If I say I was raped by Leonardo Di Caprio, why shouldn't you believe me?

It doesn't matter what someone on the internet believes. There is a process. You would have to provide a certain amount of evidence before a court would even take your case and then you would have to convince a jury.

 

[Estro Felino]

Did you ever meet him? Were you ever alone with him? Would be tops on my list. Carroll can show that both of those claims are true. More than that is needed, but it is a good start.

Good, if she can show it, that's a good start.
But it has to be a credible story.

Because I could also say that Leo has passed his vacations in Sicily...and I was there.
Do you have any idea of how many fans tried to meet him?

 

[Estro Felino]

Do you at least agree that she deserves her day in court?

I don't know the US judicial system in detail.

But here, filing a lawsuit is a double-edged sword.

Because if you are a woman and you accuse a man of rape, and that man shows he has an irrefutable alibi for that day,
the woman will be tried for defamation and false testimony and she will be probably jailed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good, if she can show it, that's a good start.
But it has to be a credible story.

Because I could also say that Leo has passed his vacations in Sicily...and I was there.
Do you have any idea of how many fans tried to meet him?

That Trump saw her and was in that store with her is not in doubt. You need to do better than that. Or maybe that is my fault:

She can show that she was alone with Trump.

 

[Estro Felino]

That Trump saw her and was in that store with her is not in doubt. You need to do better than that. Or maybe that is my fault:

She can show that she was alone with Trump.

There is a footage proving it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know the US judicial system in detail.

But here, filing a lawsuit is a double-edged sword.

Because if you are a woman and you accuse a man of rape, and that man shows he has an irrefutable alibi for that day,
the woman will be tried for defamation and false testimony and she will be probably jailed.

That can happen here too. I believe that the woman in the Duke rape case ended up serving some time for her false charges.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is a footage proving it?

 

[Estro Felino]

That can happen here too. I believe that the woman in the Duke rape case ended up serving some time for her false charges.

That's reassuring.

 

[Estro Felino]

I would like how she can prove that on a day X, at the hour Y, she and Trump were in that store.

 

[SkepticThinker]

One does what one can, when one can.
You hadn't yet become the person you now are.

This is true. I get to live with the regret too. So that's fun.

But I've come a long way. This **** wouldn't fly now with me. I'm much more assertive.

I don't always spout platitudes,
but when I do, I drink Dos Equis.
(Not really.)

Cheers!

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would like how she can prove that on a day X, at the hour Y, she and Trump were in that store.

You should follow the trial then.

 

[exchemist]

I doubt there will be a conviction, but the woman says she just needed to at least go public with this.

My understanding is that this is a civil rather than criminal case, so presumably it could not be a "conviction" - which in criminal trials would need to be beyond reasonable doubt (at least it would in the English system - no doubt something similar applies).

Civil cases in England are determined on balance of probability. I don't know what threshold would be required in the US for a civil rape case: it seems a very unusual form of court proceeding.

 

[Revoltingest]

That can happen here too. I believe that the woman in the Duke rape case ended up serving some time for her false charges.

She wasn't charged for false allegations.

Duke lacrosse case - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And the prosecutor who tried to frame the Duke team for rape was only disbarred & sent to jail for 1 day.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/08/30/disbarred-duke-lacrosse-prosecutor-mike-nifong-is-back-along-with-more-misconduct-allegations/

Our "justice" system is quite tolerant of false allegations & crooked prosecutors.