The ending of the era of Philosophical thought

[questfortruth]

Philosophy: the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics; the original meaning of the word philosophy comes from the Greek roots philo- meaning "love" and -sophos, or "wisdom." When someone studies philosophy they want to understand how and why people do certain things and how to live a good life. -- Vocabulary.com

The famous astrophysicist and the amateur philosopher the "false atheist" Stephen Hawking has written in his famous book "Grand Design":

Philosophy is Dead.

Might it was caused by his "false atheism"? The "false atheism" is the denial of Religion, but the False Atheism is not a religion itself? I tend to think, that rejection of the Beginning ("In the beginning - God", to my memory: Bible) has devalued the value of Wisdom and Knowledge in the mind of the astrophysicist.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you want other people opinions, it would help a lot if you stopped calling atheism "false".

 

[crowfeather]

If you want other people opinions, it would help a lot if you stopped calling atheism "false".

How about applying the term "false" to human opinions, in bulk?

 

[LuisDantas]

Would there be a point to it?

 

[Kirran]

Would there be a point to it?

It would certainly serve to increase word counts.

 

[questfortruth]

If you want other people opinions, it would help a lot if you stopped calling atheism "false".

The Atheism is the fight against the idols of paganism. The "false atheism" is fight against the God.

Opposer: “Atheists do not believe in deities of any sort. They are fighting against no deity; ......”

Let me use mine definitions, not the Wiki ones. You have no other choice but to let me.
The false atheist destroys the God's deeds and messes His plans. Why then that is not the fight against God?

Opposer: “I can assure you ....”

I'd better trust the God, than a mortal one.

 

[icehorse]

The famous astrophysicist and the amateur philosopher the "false atheist" Stephen Hawking has written in his famous book "Grand Design":

I suspect that when Hawking said that there was some context that you're leaving out. Care to fill that in?

Might it was caused by his "false atheism"? The "false atheism" is the denial of Religion, but the False Atheism is not a religion itself? I tend to think, that rejection of the Beginning ("In the beginning - God", to my memory: Bible) has devalued the value of Wisdom and Knowledge in the mind of the astrophysicist.

Your claims are a bit vague here, but I suspect you're talking about famous atheists and religious critics like Richard Dawkins, is that correct? If so, then this idea that folks like Dawkins have simply created a new religion is:

1 - Often used, lame, and worn out.
2 - Indicates a weak understanding of religion AND skepticism.

In what ways do you think your "false atheists" are promoting a religion?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Let me use mine definitions, not the Wiki ones. You have no other choice but to let me.

Actually, I have lot of other choices. I could, for instance, completely ignore your definitions as you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of basic logic, reasoning and a total absence of skepticism or honesty. Your arguments make no sense, and I suspect you're only desperately trying to convince yourself, because you're definitely not convincing anyone else.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The Atheism is the fight against the idols of paganism. The "false atheism" is fight against the God.

So it's okay to hold a position of atheism regarding everyone's gods but your own. How very convenient...

 

[Sunstone]

Philosophy as a means of inquiry into nature has been supplanted by the sciences. As a means of inquiry into rational thought, it is still very much alive and kicking.

 

[LuisDantas]

So it's okay to hold a position of atheism regarding everyone's god but your own. How very convenient...

Indeed. I just don't see why anyone would take such a stance at all seriously.

 

[questfortruth]

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In what ways do you think your "false atheists" are promoting a religion?

Of course, the "false atheists" feel to be higher than a paganism, but their deeds are looking paganic: they are members of:
the church of Flying Spaghetti Monster, the church of satan in USA. That's because the "false atheism" is not the Real Atheism, because is false. Therefore, the false atheists are "practicing pagans".

Nobody can live without the God, so the “false atheists” have own “gods” as substitute “toys” for Real One.

 

[questfortruth]

I suspect that when Hawking said that there was some context that you're leaving out. Care to fill that in? ....

It is done by others in the clip below. But looking the clip be aware of a falsehoods.

 

[questfortruth]

Look the poster I found, which the false atheists have made. They are very brave, how that is lawful?
False atheism is not the Atheism (Ходящий По Лжи) / Проза.ру

 

[LuisDantas]

Of course, the "false atheists" feel to be higher than a paganism, but their deeds are looking paganic: they are members of:
the church of Flying Spaghetti Monster, the church of satan in USA. That's because the "false atheism" is not the Real Atheism, because is false. Therefore, the false atheists are "practicing pagans".

That does not seem to actually have a coherent meaning.

I can see incomplete suggestions of several ideas, but they are at odds with each other.

- From previous posts, I know that you have somehow decided that "true" atheism would be paganism and that actual atheism should somehow be called "false atheism". Not a clue on why, and less on why you would expect anyone to go along with such an expectation.

- Yet here you say that "(our) deeds are looking paganic", despite us "feeling to be higher than a paganism". Why do you expect atheists to think of themselves as higher than pagans? That is awfully judgmental and misinformed.

- You... think of Pastafarianism as the same as satanism? Really?

- False atheism is not Real atheism because it is false. I guess that is sort of correct. But then what are you talking about?

- Apparently, false atheists are practicing pagans. Uh?

I think you mean to say that somehow us atheists are pagans without even realizing it. That, quite simply, is not true, as should be self-evident. Paganism is respectable enough and valid enough. It is even compatible with atheism, at least in some stances. But it is not atheism, nor is atheism paganism.

Nobody can live without the God, so the “false atheists” have own “gods” as substitute “toys” for Real One.

You are doubting the existence of atheism.

Fair enough, albeit ultimately mistaken.

But that is hardly good grounds for you to make statements about what we do, are, and believe.

 

[questfortruth]

That does not seem to actually have a coherent meaning.
....

That reflection of mine state of mind is in mess. Think about the history of Christianity. The brave Christian humans often have destroyed the places and temples of paganism.
I am calling it the Atheism (or anti-idolatry). Correct?

 

[LuisDantas]

That reflection of mine state of mind is in mess. Think about the history of Christianity. The brave Christian humans often have destroyed the places and temples of paganism. I am calling it the Atheism. Correct?

I guess you could make a case that Christianity is technically atheism when it comes to non-Abrahamic gods.

But that is just needlessly confusing the issue further by introducing a third meaning of "atheism".

 

[questfortruth]

I guess you could make a case that Christianity is technically atheism when it comes to non-Abrahamic gods.

But that is just needlessly confusing the issue further by introducing a third meaning of "atheism".

The Atheist denies the existence of a false god (or "idol"). The "false atheist" denies the existence of True God.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Atheist denies the existence of a false god (or "idol"). The "false atheist" denies the existence of True God.

The atheist denies the existence of any god (or, in the case of weak atheism, the belief in their existence).

We do not discriminate between "false" gods and "true" ones. If we did, we would not be atheists in the first place.

 

[questfortruth]

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We do not discriminate between "false" gods and "true" ones. If we did, we would not be atheists in the first place.

In your place a wiseman would say: "no false gods". But you keep saying: "no God". Would it be wiser to say "no false god", than to say "no God"?