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The extreme right in France is surging

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The problem is the radical Left pushed too far the other way and now wants to pretend that the decline they have created is the new normal. Any change from this decline is now called radical. Those who were pushed aside by the Left, are learning to push back, and wish to move things closer to a traditional center, that is not run by Lefty fringe groups.

The Left claims it is for diversity, but the Left used Fascist tactics to marginalize large Conservative groups like Christianity and all religion. They cannot just live and let live. In the USA there is a day or month set aside for every bizarre Liberal group, but no mention for those groups they have persecuted and marginalized. When will we have religion month, male month, and even citizen month? What you are seeing are the hypocrites getting the exclusion, they have sown against others. Everyone and not just Lefty blocks need inclusion.

In the USA, the Left came up with the Affirmative Action and then DEI scams, which places unqualified Leftist in position of influence, based on the Fascist jingle of diversity, equity and inclusion, but not based on qualifications in free and open competition; free market sports. In the USA, Blacks are marginalized and are part of DEI, but Conservative Blacks are the most marginalize of all the blacks; 12%, yet they are not welcome as part of DEI that says it wants diversity and equity for their discrimination by the Left. DEI is stunt to plant only Liberal operatives to undermine culture, but now it is being pushed back due to their hypocrisy. Religion is marginalized, so why are there not more religious people in DEI, if it is about diversity, inclusion and equity. But Left excludes them since it was never about DEI but KKK 2.0. They built a more diversified Klan., but not for equity. Their power game is now open for display.

At one time pregnancy, babies and family were important, but since they they do not vote exclusively left, they protected the bimbos, who will vote Left. While the choice of the Left, is to marginalize the unborn as like it is a disease, while the transsexual voter block minority, by comparison, is held up as though the new entitled norm that comes first in the resource line. How is that Democracy? Buying votes with tax payer money works, but it is not how Democracy works.

All the countries once had controlled immigration, which allowed each country to diversify, but in controlled ways that did not disrupt the core that attracts and can sustain immigrants and citizens. The Left decided to have unrestricted immigration and open borders which put a stain on an otherwise first world cores, creating second world pockets, at the tax payer expense and decline of their services. People are getting tired of the Fascist morons and are taking back their countries. Maybe we can deport these leaders to second and third world countries, so they can help the people they say they are trying to help. But that is an illusion. They say that to power grab, with citizens as pawns.

The Liberals in the USA complain about a threat to Democracy and then play favorites at the expense of the majority rule of that Democracy. Nobody wants open borders in the USA, but a Cabal of radical Lefty forced it on everyone, ignoring the will of the people. We could have taken a vote and not use Fascist techniques. The only choice remaining is to reverse course and undermine the disasters they have been created, in once prominent countries.

The Fascist Left; DNC and Swamp in the USA, once was able to succeed by walking together in Nazi goose step, but now there are cracks in the ranks; due to immigration, wars and Lefty racism; Jew and Palestine, and an Emperor with no clothes. This group in the USA has infected the world through NATO and climate change extortion, with the latter an illusion like the rest of their games. Once we get rid of these bogeyman, some of the stress that is leading to international unrest will depart. The Left work best where it can create unrest and fear with the Bogeymen, while themselves being the real bogeyman.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
If those that are willing to grant special rights to unborn babies cared at all about babies once the are born, we might agree, but until then, we don't.

So you think everyone who is against abortion care nothings about babies after they are born? Generalize much?
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
It strikes me that extremism and authoritarianism are on the rise at both ends of the political spectrum.
The hard left in Europe wants worker empowerment, nationalised public goods, solid climate policy. The hard right want to kill asylum seekers at sea, turn women into cattle, and instill Putin as God-King. Bothsidesing this is a bit shortsighted, to say the least.

And indeed, it starts with the fact that we're now living in an oligarchy (more or less), almost all politicians have been corrupted, and so none of our "leaders" are telling us the truth.
I can agree with that.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
The hard left in Europe wants worker empowerment, nationalised public goods, solid climate policy. The hard right want to kill asylum seekers at sea, turn women into cattle, and instill Putin as God-King. Bothsidesing this is a bit shortsighted, to say the least.
Neither side is telling the truth about Islamism, or ecological overshoot. I don't know what you consider the "hard left" but if it includes gender ideology, then the hard left is supporting misogyny and homophobia, under the banner of "LGBTQ".

Both sides - I think - are pushing to curtail free speech. Both sides are pushing the lie of endless economic growth...
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
When I mentioned NATO and the Climate Change Scam, as destabilizing, let me explain how I see it. NATO was originally formed in response to the Cold War Era, after WWII, as a deterrent to the old Soviet Union. Europe was divided east and west. The Soviet Union formed as a buffer for Russia, against possible western invasion. NATO formed for the other side; deterrent.

With the Soviet Union having broken up 1991, the same threat to Western Europe was no longer there. However, Russia was placed in more of a compromised position, whether real or imaginary, since they had lost their land buffer and now some of the former Soviet Union buffer countries were wanting to join NATO; barbarians at the gate.

The EU then forms in 1993, which, ironically, was sort of the reverse of the disassembly of the Soviet Union. Instead of facing a loose confederation of NATO counties, there was now a more centralized and consolidated Europe with a more centralized NATO. Up to Trump, the USA paid the majority of the NATO tab. My guess is Russian thought NATO was a US puppet, due to the USA paying the tab. The person with the money calls the shots. Trump changed this and required NATO countries pay their fair share for the protection, thereby taking the central power image away from the USA. This distributing of global power was regionally stabilizing.

The EU then goes Lefty and more and more toward Socialism, moving away from Conservative values and Democracy. This meant even more centralized control, beyond the will of the people of each country; force fed illegal immigration. This Socialism model of expanding centralized power, tends to get paranoid at the top, since power often exceeds qualifications; politics first. The Soviet Union goes from consolidated Socialism to independent Democracies, while EU reverse this from autonomous Democracies to a centralize Socialist block. Based on Cold War logic who is now the threat?

This was made worse by the Climate change scam. Both Russia and China's growing economies needed to be diversified in terms of energy, with fossil fuels the most cost effective and mobile option. Russia also had plenty of natural fossil fuel resources to generate revenue. They and the USA, were being asked to kill their economies, with those in the Paris Accords being run by Lefty Central. China, Russia and even the USA decline to self destruct, since that stunt would only redistribute wealth, to be stolen by Lefty middle men, and it would harm the citizens of the three strongest countries, and then harm the world.

With the Left and Swamp now in control of the USA by 2020, and the Climate scam being run by Leftist, Russia's paranoia reached a fever pitch and they decided to recreate their buffer at Ukraine, against the threat of this western Lefty Fascist Socialism power block. If we wish world peace, we need to get rid of that disrupting group, so we can turn down the stress and restore stability in the world. Decentralizing power acts as a deterrent. Centralized power can mobilize fast and furious and take away liberties, quicker and on a larger scale.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Its also the fact that it ended up with the Canadian Federal Emergencies Act givin notably expanded police powers that not only allow suppression of protests, but also enables the government to freeze bank accounts of individual protesters. *yikes!*
The Canadian Federal Emergencies Act was enacted in 1988, by the Conservative PM Brian Mulroney. Not by as Liberal. This was the first (and so far only) use of it, ever.
Remember the Freedom Convoy? The Canadian government took great advantages with that to justify a more authoritarian approach over those who wanted oppressive COVID restrictions to finally end. That I'm sure will undoubtedly be applied with the next major protest that happens in the country in order to crush it.
At a time of crisis, due to the pandemic, interrupting supply lines for food and medical supplies, and blockading capital cities and border crossings could well be considered emergencies. In late 2021, both Canada and the US accommodated unvaccinated cross-border truckers by exempting them from COVID-19 vaccine requirements to prevent exacerbating existing supply chain disruptions. The exemptions in Canada ended on January 15, 2022, and the US exemption ended on January 22, 2022.
People are going to jail for speaking their minds under the guise and premise of hate speech , which is obviously a fact now that you can go to prison for in Canada on a basis of what a person says alone, backed by Tristin Hopper who stated that, "Unlike in the U.S., you can go to jail in Canada for saying the wrong thing".

Shall I continue on with the list?
So you recognize no limit whatever on "freedom of speech?" It would be okay, for example, to call up someone you dislike and claim that their son just died in a car accident? Let me answer that for you, in case it taxes your morals beyond your ability to cope:

While the First Amendment protects free speech, it does not protect speech that causes harm, such as intentional infliction of emotional distress, defamation, or speech that incites violence or illegal activity. Such a false claim could be considered intentional infliction of emotional distress, which is a tort. This means the person making the claim could be sued for damages in civil court. Additionally, depending on the circumstances, it could also potentially be considered harassment or even criminal behavior under state laws.

It's important to recognize that while free speech is a fundamental right, it has limitations when it comes to speech that causes significant harm to others.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
While the First Amendment protects free speech, it does not protect speech that causes harm, such as intentional infliction of emotional distress, defamation, or speech that incites violence or illegal activity.
As far as I know, the only limit is on speech likely to cause IMMINENT violence.

Emotional distress is not covered, nor should it be.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Lol. A statement agreeing there are a left and right isn't a wish. But at least you humor me.


Come to think about, there are lots of wishful people here since every post here must be a wish.

Now I will make a wish.. I wish you a good day
 
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Yerda

Veteran Member
Neither side is telling the truth about Islamism, or ecological overshoot.
I think the left is telling the truth about the ecological problems, though I would agree that there is a tendency to minimise the harm of Islamism.

I don't know what you consider the "hard left" but if it includes gender ideology, then the hard left is supporting misogyny and homophobia, under the banner of "LGBTQ".
What I'd consider the extreme or hard left are the movements to fundamentally alter how ownership is determined and how power is controlled/curtailed. They don't want business as usual - a slightly nicer capitalism - they want to radically alter the economic and social systems that govern our lives.

I don't think "gender ideology" plays a great deal in the hard left movements beyond the recognition that trans people do need protection. I do think the "extreme centre" has went a bit mental with all the identity politics stuff. Making the world a bit safer for minorities is good but making everything about race of gender identity is a waste of everyone's time.

Both sides - I think - are pushing to curtail free speech.
I don't completely disagree with that. I would say that the biggest threat to freedom of expression is coming from the billionaire class and not the extremes of the political spectrum.

Both sides are pushing the lie of endless economic growth...
Are they? That has not been my experience. The further left you go the more likely, it seems to me, that you will encounter arguments that capitalism is inherently dangerous and unstable as a result of depending on endless growth. The more evangelical members of the green movement are very vocal about the ecological destruction being driven by the need for capital to constantly expand.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Lol. A statement agreeing there are a left and right isn't a wish. But at least you humor me.


Come to think about, there are lots of wishful people here since every post here must be a wish.

Now I will make a wish.. I wish you a good day

And you still have no idea and no intention of educating yourself about the sheer quantity and variety of political parties in france so you double down with your irrelevant and misleading comments.

Good day
 

We Never Know

No Slack
And you still have no idea and no intention of educating yourself about the sheer quantity and variety of political parties in france so you double down with your irrelevant and misleading comments.

Good day
I refer you to post #22, 25, and 31

And for the record, the only thing I have even asked is is there a left and right, two parties.
I haven't inquired about who's who, what do they stand for, which is better, etc.

I don't keep up with France politics. Not my business.
However why the talk of the right? There must be a left.

I see.. there are a left and right. Basically two parties.

I myself could care less. However asking a question of how there is a left and right but not two parties isn't getting involved in French politics. That isn't inquiring about any policies, what one or the others supports/doesn't support, or anything else.

Thanks. I won't read it because as I said I don't care about politics in France. I was just curious about left and right.
I would rather read something about nature or science than politics.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
And indeed, it starts with the fact that we're now living in an oligarchy (more or less), almost all politicians have been corrupted, and so none of our "leaders" are telling us the truth.
'The truth' is just another commodity to be sold for a profit to anyone that's willing to buy it. Just like everything else. Politics, too, is just another greedy, groping tentacle of commerce, now.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Oh no. If me asking a question is a wish then you wanting me to read something is definitely a wish.

Making a statement is not asking a question, even so you refused to educate yourself, no point is going further
 
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