The faces of Russian conscripts

[RestlessSoul]

Don't be pissy just because I was right.

You have a perspective, which I don’t share. Time will tell which if either of us, was ‘right’, but in the meantime I am somewhat dubious about the quality of your sources.

 

[Audie]

Yep. China is one reason we can't let Putin win. China is supporting Russia just as much as not to **** off the west but are hoping for a precedent of annexation working to attack Taiwan next.

That ain't it

 

[Audie]

It will be interesting once fall comes around.

longer than that

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How does opposing unprovoked invasions and war crimes equal "war fever" or "playing soldier"? Don't be disingenuous.

Torturing, raping, and murdering children is a bad thing. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to get around that.

And where are you getting this information from? Our warmongering media or our warmongering government? It's okay if we do it, right? The Russians are accusing the Ukrainians of war crimes, too. It's not like the corrupt puppet government of Ukraine has shown itself to be especially trustworthy, anyway. They do have a well-known and, apparently approved, infestation of neo-Nazis in their ranks, after all. This conflict was hardly "unprovoked", at that.

Oh, and the OP is calling for the government of Russia to be "swept away". Sounds so practical and realistic! I wonder how that's expected to happen???? (Our government should also be swept away for the same reasons, if it comes down to that.)

 

[Suave]

The referendum obviously isn't legitimate, given that many votes were coerced.

That is very naive, and any succession isn't valid or legit. People were forced to vote with guns pointed at them, so any and all ballots are more suitable for toilet paper shortages.

"International observers who supervised the referendums held in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions considered it a step towards a political settlement of the conflict in Ukraine, as well as based on the principle of the right of self-determination of peoples guaranteed by the Charter of the United Nations.

In a press conference held in Moscow today, international observers pointed out the facts of pressure on participants in referendums by the Kyiv regime, and stressed that the organization of voting in referendum operations is in accordance with international standards."

International observers: the organization of voting in the referendum in Donbass is in line with international standards - The Limited Times (newsrnd.com)

 

[Revoltingest]

I have to say I feel bad for those poor older ******** conscripted and sent as cannon fodder to die in Ukraine. That whole evil government needs to be swept away and replaced by a better one.

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Today is a good day to die....for them.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've read that a lot of pro war Russians changed their tune once they found themselves targeted by the mobilization.

War always sounds better when someone else is forced to wage it.

 

[Revoltingest]

That ain't it

However, if the west did sit idly by while Putin
invaded & acquired Ukraine, it would indeed be
tacit permission for China to invade Taiwan.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"International observers who supervised the referendums held in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions considered it a step towards a political settlement of the conflict in Ukraine, as well as based on the principle of the right of self-determination of peoples guaranteed by the Charter of the United Nations.

In a press conference held in Moscow today, international observers pointed out the facts of pressure on participants in referendums by the Kyiv regime, and stressed that the organization of voting in referendum operations is in accordance with international standards."

International observers: the organization of voting in the referendum in Donbass is in line with international standards - The Limited Times (newsrnd.com)

Whatever. Putin isn't trustable and these "elections" are an insult to the Ukrainians who were forced under violence.
Why the Crimean Referendum Is Illegitimate
Crimea votes to secede from Ukraine in 'illegal' poll
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/fak...ve-the-way-for-annexation-and-escalation.html
Occupied parts of Ukraine vote on joining Russia in 'sham' referendums | CNN

 

[Suave]

Whatever. Putin isn't trustable and these "elections" are an insult to the Ukrainians who were forced under violence.
Why the Crimean Referendum Is Illegitimate
Crimea votes to secede from Ukraine in 'illegal' poll
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/fak...ve-the-way-for-annexation-and-escalation.html
Occupied parts of Ukraine vote on joining Russia in 'sham' referendums | CNN

Матвиенко: Референдумы в Донбассе, Херсонской и Запорожской областях соответствуют уставу ООН

Matviyenko: Referendums in Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions comply with the UN Charter

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Матвиенко: Референдумы в Донбассе, Херсонской и Запорожской областях соответствуют уставу ООН

Matviyenko: Referendums in Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions comply with the UN Charter

Of course Putin *** kissers will say that. Everyone else is calling it invalid, and the UN doesn't accept as valid elections conducted under violence and the threat of escalated violence and it has already condemned the invasion and does not accept the Crimean annexation as valid either.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I would like to see the whole world send a message of love and brotherhood to the ordinary people of both Russia and Ukraine, who have for centuries suffered at the hands of corrupt and unscrupulous leaders.

And rather than send weapons to Ukraine, I prefer to send my prayers to those Russians who have the courage to refuse to fight.

Sending weapons to Ukraine may help them to fend off the invasion and protect themselves from being murdered, tortured, or raped. I don't see prayers on their own having the same practical usefulness in this situation.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Wow, the war fever here is ridiculous. It reminds me of the "rah-rah, you're with us or against us!" atmosphere during early parts of the Iraq Catastrophe in 2003. I mean, are we crazy? This isn't some tinpot dictator in the third world. This is Russia. They could nuke us off the planet (and then they'd die in the counter-strikes). This would be all-out WW3 with modern technology.

A major difference between the Iraq atrocity and this war is that the US isn't an aggressor or on the side of one this time. I don't see the US as any better than Russia or China if we consider the record of each country's foreign policy in the last several decades, but that doesn't mean Russia isn't in the wrong here.

 

[Suave]

Of course Putin *** kissers will say that. Everyone else is calling it invalid, and the UN doesn't accept as valid elections conducted under violence and the threat of escalated violence and it has already condemned the invasion and does not accept the Crimean annexation as valid either.

I respect Crimeans and the people of Donbas's right of self-determination regardless of Ukraine's and N.A.T.O.'s efforts to deny them that, I'm confident if Ukraine and N.A.T.O. were to recognize these people's will to join the Russian Federation, the Ukraine-Russian conflict there would then be promptly resolved.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I respect Crimeans and the people of Donbas's right of self-determination regardless of Ukraine's and N.A.T.O.'s efforts to deny them that, I'm confident if Ukraine and N.A.T.O. were to recognize these people's will to join the Russian Federation, the Ukraine-Russian conflict there would then be promptly resolved.

It's not self determination when someone is pointing a gun at you.

 

[sun rise]

Матвиенко: Референдумы в Донбассе, Херсонской и Запорожской областях соответствуют уставу ООН

Matviyenko: Referendums in Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions comply with the UN Charter

Repeating lies I see.

 

[sun rise]

I respect Crimeans and the people of Donbas's right of self-determination regardless of Ukraine's and N.A.T.O.'s efforts to deny them that, I'm confident if Ukraine and N.A.T.O. were to recognize these people's will to join the Russian Federation, the Ukraine-Russian conflict there would then be promptly resolved.

BS. Russia is expansionist and tried to grab all of Ukraine. They've said they want to recreate the USSR which means taking over NATO countries. I believe them.

You don't stop a bully by giving him what he wants.

 

[sun rise]

Who is going to "sweep" this government away?

There is a Divine wind blowing which will eventually sweep away all lower motivations such as Putin's Russia is channeling. I take our role is to make it clear that attacking other nations and seizing territory won't be tolerated. The rest I leave to the sure hand of providence.

 

[sun rise]

"International observers who supervised the referendums held in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions considered it a step towards a political settlement of the conflict in Ukraine, as well as based on the principle of the right of self-determination of peoples guaranteed by the Charter of the United Nations.

In a press conference held in Moscow today, international observers pointed out the facts of pressure on participants in referendums by the Kyiv regime, and stressed that the organization of voting in referendum operations is in accordance with international standards."

International observers: the organization of voting in the referendum in Donbass is in line with international standards - The Limited Times (newsrnd.com)

Fake news.

 

[Suave]

It's not self determination when someone is pointing a gun at you.

Thousands pf Crimeans gathering
in celebration of their referendum vote by a 20-1 margin in favor of joining the Russian Federation was most likely indicative of their votes willingly having been freely cast instead of them being coerced under duress at gunpoint to vote for being annexed by the Russian Federation.